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#2351 |
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Another blow to Dundee .... this time with Flybe
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...d-permanently/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...ntral-38414067 In short as well the Transport Minister and the SNP Lord Provost are not happy but my own feelings tell me they knew something was going to come but use the ploy of "blame the company" instead -- if these politicians knew of issues surely it should have been addressed sooner than later? In my mind the airport needs extended plus with all talk of the V&A in Dundee regarding tourists they need to get their fingers out pretty quick as time is running out |
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#2352 |
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So why doesn't the SNP hurry up and hold another vote so you can have your say and leave the Union that you see as so damaging and one sided if that is what the majority wish and then join another union , if Spain and Belgium let you.
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#2353 |
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Because they'll do it at the time that is most advantageous to them. It's not difficult to grasp is it?
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#2354 |
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Because they'll do it at the time that is most advantageous to them. It's not difficult to grasp is it?
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#2355 |
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What's difficult to grasp is that they think they can stir the shi* until such time as they decide to hold a vote and we know they will hold one whether we stayed or left, so bearing in mind Nicola Sturgeons interference in the process and the rubbish she has come out with I think for stability and to finalise our housekeeping in all areas she should be told to hold her vote next year .
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#2356 |
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But you realise what you think doesn't matter. Scotland will decide when to old another referendum and May can block it if she wishes.
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#2357 |
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Which isn't now or anytime soon and they know it. I think Sturgeon stirred the pot on this thinking that post Brexit hysteria would have Scots out on the streets demanding a referendum and that the polls would be duly showing her 60% majorities. None of it has happened, people are bored of it, and they are getting bored of her. What is the deficit in funding for Police Scotland now?
Utter nonsense of course. It must be quite bewildering for you both that in the two national elections held since the independence referendum; the SNP have resoundingly won both at a canter ![]() As long as they are controlled from London HQ then the Tory, Labour and Libs will continue to be an utter irrelevance in Scottish politics. Simply crying foul over every move the Scottish Government makes no longer works...especially when they are unable to present a coherent alternative vision. Something that the more canny ex-Labour politicians have noted and been expressing lately. |
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#2358 |
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Yet another "people are bored of it" type post. Along with the Black Sheep fella, you seem to suggest you have a telepathic link to what the people of Scotland are really thinking.
Utter nonsense of course. It must be quite bewildering for you both that in the two national elections held since the independence referendum; the SNP have resoundingly won both at a canter ![]() As long as they are controlled from London HQ then the Tory, Labour and Libs will continue to be an utter irrelevance in Scottish politics. Simply crying foul over every move the Scottish Government makes no longer works...especially when they are unable to present a coherent alternative vision. Something that the more canny ex-Labour politicians have noted and been expressing lately. The truth is, if they were so irrelevant they wouldn't get the majority of votes in Scotland and wouldn't be there to question the SNP Government on devolved policies. You, along with other Nationalists seem to think that a Devolved Parliament should only have SNP politician in it and that other parties politicians somehow don't care about the people they represent while the SNP do. Of course nothing could be farther from the truth and the politicians from other parties are just as involved in local issues as those from the SNP, sometimes more so as they don't have the constant independence agenda to preach about. They are never going to present a coherent alternative vision because they all are different parties with different visions. The Tories are miles apart from the Greens, Labour are to the left of the SNP and the Lib Dems are floating about somewhere in the middle. It would be really good if the SNP stopped westminsterbad politics and got on with Governing Scotland and actually using some of th powers to do so. |
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#2359 |
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Because they'll do it at the time that is most advantageous to them. It's not difficult to grasp is it?
Better, in my opinion to get this Indyref out of the way before Brexit and March 2017 would be a good date. Would the SNP accept Indyref 2 in March? |
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Yet another "people are bored of it" type post. Along with the Black Sheep fella, you seem to suggest you have a telepathic link to what the people of Scotland are really thinking.
Utter nonsense of course. It must be quite bewildering for you both that in the two national elections held since the independence referendum; the SNP have resoundingly won both at a canter ![]() As long as they are controlled from London HQ then the Tory, Labour and Libs will continue to be an utter irrelevance in Scottish politics. Simply crying foul over every move the Scottish Government makes no longer works...especially when they are unable to present a coherent alternative vision. Something that the more canny ex-Labour politicians have noted and been expressing lately. Edinburgh? They LOST seats and their majority despite bold predictions of increases in both from cyber Nats. They are losing ground directly to the Conservatives in many parts of Scotland where they used to be popular, before the left hijacked their party and their cause. What vision have the SNP got for Scotland. I've asked before and you routinely dodge the question, you can't even tell me your own personal vision. It seems blaming England for everything is about the extent of Scottish Nationalism. |
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It's looking more likely that this time might be 2024 if the Polls need to be a consistent 60 percent plus. In the meantime people will continue to get more fed up with the constant agitation.
Better, in my opinion to get this Indyref out of the way before Brexit and March 2017 would be a good date. Would the SNP accept Indyref 2 in March? |
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#2362 |
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Other parties are not an irrelevance in Scottish politics which of course you know. It suits the SNP agenda to call them irrelevant and controlled by London because London and Westminster are the SNP bogeymen.
The truth is, if they were so irrelevant they wouldn't get the majority of votes in Scotland and wouldn't be there to question the SNP Government on devolved policies. You, along with other Nationalists seem to think that a Devolved Parliament should only have SNP politician in it and that other parties politicians somehow don't care about the people they represent while the SNP do. Of course nothing could be farther from the truth and the politicians from other parties are just as involved in local issues as those from the SNP, sometimes more so as they don't have the constant independence agenda to preach about. They are never going to present a coherent alternative vision because they all are different parties with different visions. The Tories are miles apart from the Greens, Labour are to the left of the SNP and the Lib Dems are floating about somewhere in the middle. It would be really good if the SNP stopped westminsterbad politics and got on with Governing Scotland and actually using some of th powers to do so. Meanwhile the SNP will carry on doing the grown up stuff of governing the country. People obviously notice things like that and it is reflected at the ballot box come election time. |
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#2363 |
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Westminster they were aided by an electoral system the SNP previously condemned, more than 50% of Scots didn't vote for the.
Edinburgh? They LOST seats and their majority despite bold predictions of increases in both from cyber Nats. They are losing ground directly to the Conservatives in many parts of Scotland where they used to be popular, before the left hijacked their party and their cause. What vision have the SNP got for Scotland. I've asked before and you routinely dodge the question, you can't even tell me your own personal vision. It seems blaming England for everything is about the extent of Scottish Nationalism. Ruthie is never going to be FM. I know as a Tory it must have been awfully exciting beating a moribund Labour party to finish a distant second. But it isn't going to happen....no matter how many times you write it on your letter to Santa. |
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#2364 |
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The Spanish Government hasn't rejected the UK having tariff free access to EU markets though. It has rejected any separate deal for Scotland inside the UK.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...6-12?r=US&IR=T The SNP Government should do whats best for Scotland which is clearly to get behind a positive UK negotiation. Then, when we find out what the true Brexit picture will be they should re-assess whats best for Scotland and if thats sticking with the UK then thats what they should advocate. Isn't whats best for Scotland also whats best for the rest of the UK given that Brexit seems to be going ahead? If Spain isn't going to give us a separate EU deal then its not going to let us join the EU anytime soon either I would imagine. |
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#2365 |
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Which isn't now or anytime soon and they know it. I think Sturgeon stirred the pot on this thinking that post Brexit hysteria would have Scots out on the streets demanding a referendum and that the polls would be duly showing her 60% majorities. None of it has happened, people are bored of it, and they are getting bored of her. What is the deficit in funding for Police Scotland now?
However, she doesn't need to stir the pot around Brexit, it is already an utter mess. No one knows how to take this forward, no one knows how it will end. What Sturgeon has done is take some sort of initiative and produced the paper that was released earlier. It is far more than anything that has came from Westminster. And, as someone else points out, both yourself and Black Sheep, assume you can speak for the people of Scotland! |
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I really do think they should just go for it. Pull the rug from right under them, once it's over and the result is almost identical to the last one they'll have no option but to focus on. Scotlands domestic policy and the evidence of how bad the situation is under SNP control is mounting by the day.
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I have no doubt that Sturgeon had no intention of holding a second referendum within, at least, 3/5 years of being re-elected last May. She knows fine well that she will not win a second independence referendum within the next 3 years. Brexit changed things, and, in more ways than one, made things more difficult for her.
However, she doesn't need to stir the pot around Brexit, it is already an utter mess. No one knows how to take this forward, no one knows how it will end. What Sturgeon has done is take some sort of initiative and produced the paper that was released earlier. It is far more than anything that has came from Westminster. And, as someone else points out, both yourself and Black Sheep, assume you can speak for the people of Scotland! |
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Is that Sturgeon's "paper" that has already been scuppered by the EU?
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That is the paper that had a number of suggestions. Which is a number more than the Westminster government have provided.
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When you to in to a meeting to negotiate a deal do you call the other side up months in advance to let them know everything you will be wanting and offering ?
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That is the paper that had a number of suggestions. Which is a number more than the Westminster government have provided.
And in any event only someone very naive would set out their negotiating position months in advance of the other party and leave little room for manoeuvre when required. Sturgeon is either naive or simply intentionally causing trouble. Take your pick. |
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Yes, otherwise there's no starting point for a negotiation.
But given the EU won't discuss anything before Article 50 is triggered anyway it would serve no useful purpose. |
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Not months in advance you don't.
But given the EU won't discuss anything before Article 50 is triggered anyway it would serve no useful purpose. Going in to a negotiation without either side knowing what the other side wants is destined to failure. |
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When you to in to a meeting to negotiate a deal do you call the other side up months in advance to let them know everything you will be wanting and offering ?
Six months after the EU referendum the Brexit side don't even know the questions. |
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#2375 |
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I agree. As realisation dawns that they are never going to get anywhere near forming a government, it is far easier for unionist parties to just boo and hiss SNPbad all the time. A half-hearted opposition is really no opposition.
Meanwhile the SNP will carry on doing the grown up stuff of governing the country. People obviously notice things like that and it is reflected at the ballot box come election time. In reality though the SNP aren't the NSDAP and I can't envisage a time where other Parties aren't relevant in a democracy. Are Parties irrelevant because they get less votes than the SNP? |
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