iPhone 7 launch 7th September at 6pm (live stream details)

Gilbertoo · 09-09-2016, 08:37

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I have no problem with Apple products we just need to get away from this God-like status their products have. Then we can have a rational and sensible debate.

For example, the iPhone 7 is essentially the only really well specced sub 5-inch phone now! For me that means it's a perfect size. Not many Android phones that small nowadays.

Is that why you're flitting between the two iPhone 7 threads telling people how rubbish it is and that anyone remotely liking it needs help? I'm sure the forum is eternally grateful for your service, although if you want a bit of feedback, maybe tone down the 'Megadrive vs. SNES' and 'PS3 vs. X360' type vibe - it comes across as a bit 'squabbly'.

Gigabit · 09-09-2016, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Gilbertoo

Is that why you're flitting between the two iPhone 7 threads telling people how rubbish it is and that anyone remotely liking it needs help? I'm sure the forum is eternally grateful for your service, although if you want a bit of feedback, maybe tone down the 'Megadrive vs. SNES' and 'PS3 vs. X360' type vibe - it comes across as a bit 'squabbly'.

I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all?

If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous.

Gilbertoo · 09-09-2016, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all?

If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous.

Then maybe, y'know, stop contributing to multiple threads about the iPhone 7?!

I don't care what Samsung...apple or any company announces to be honest - why should I get my knickers in a twist at over-egged marketing?

Dan Sette · 09-09-2016, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all?

If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous.

Both companies innovate. Two years ago Apple produced one of the first flexible phones that folded neatly in your pocket.

Samsung have now beaten Apple to it with the first Mission Impossible phone.

Who, of a certain generation, wouldn't want a message device that self destructed in 30 seconds.

Come on Apple, always behind the times.

treefr0g · 09-09-2016, 09:46

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Originally Posted by d123

I use it to send texts hands free and also to set timers when I'm working and using both hands or working with dirty hands. Works well for both.

I always use it when cooking for setting the timer. Much quicker than setting it manually.

Stig · 09-09-2016, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all?

If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous.

What positive comments? I even created an 'appreciation' thread for the iPhone 7 and it was almost completely ignored.

Stereo Steve · 09-09-2016, 11:07

At the end of the day who cares? It's a phone. Buy it or not. It will probably work quite well. There will probably some niggles as usual which will take an update or 2. On the whole, people who choose to buy it will be very happy with it and that will be that.

One of the reasons I bought my SE is that I fully expected the 7 to be just this and I couldn't justify paying over £600 for such a thing. That doesn't mean I don't like it or that I think anyone who does buy one is stupid or a victim of marketing.

I'm personally very happy to be back on iOS and if I wanted a larger phone and could justify the cost I would buy a 7. Or a 6 or a 6S.

The biggest irony I suppose is that those who hate the phone and the company and never intend to buy one actually do Apple a huge favour by keeping Apple threads at the top of most tech forums, not realising that most people take buying decisions on a series of practical considerations, not frothing, irrational hatred of one particular brand.

shaddler · 09-09-2016, 13:22

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Originally Posted by bikerlad

Belkin will be selling an adapter to charge your iPhone and use headphones

Link

Only 40 dollars for a small adapter. Bargain!

shaddler · 09-09-2016, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Stereo Steve

One of the reasons I bought my SE is that I fully expected the 7 to be just this and I couldn't justify paying over £600 for such a thing.

Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all.

Stereo Steve · 09-09-2016, 16:55

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Originally Posted by shaddler

Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all.

To be honest I absolutely love it. Does everything I need it to do although struggling with wifi calling but that's more down to my ADSL and kids streaming crap all the time. But as a phone, it's totally perfect for me.

1manonthebog · 09-09-2016, 17:04

I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that.

d123 · 09-09-2016, 17:33

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Originally Posted by 1manonthebog

I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that.

They will be, this is the first major launch since the referendum

I think the currency nosedive is going to hurt on all imported stuff.

jonmorris · 09-09-2016, 17:40

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Originally Posted by d123

They will be, this is the first major launch since the referendum

I think the currency nosedive is going to hurt on all imported stuff.

Yup. OnePlus put up its prices quite soon after. Others have considered it, or have released products since that already included a slight premium.

Gilbertoo · 09-09-2016, 18:22

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Originally Posted by 1manonthebog

I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that.

To be fair, other manufacturers haven't had a whopping and rather unexpected £11bn tax bill fall at their feet!

Stig · 09-09-2016, 19:14

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Originally Posted by 1manonthebog

I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that.

I think you will find that Dell and HP put their PC prices up recently. Same reason.

d123 · 09-09-2016, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Gilbertoo

To be fair, other manufacturers haven't had a whopping and rather unexpected £11bn tax bill fall at their feet!

I very much doubt Apples recent EU tax issue is factored in to the current price. If after the appeal has dragged itself out for the next 5 years or more and they lose it might become something Apple decide to recoup...

treefr0g · 09-09-2016, 21:44

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Originally Posted by shaddler

Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all.

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Originally Posted by Stereo Steve

To be honest I absolutely love it. Does everything I need it to do although struggling with wifi calling but that's more down to my ADSL and kids streaming crap all the time. But as a phone, it's totally perfect for me.

I've got one too. It's the first iPhone that I've ever bought. I thought that I'd been left behind when the screens got bigger but when this was announced I thought that they'd created an iPhone for me. The right size, a great spec and a price that I could justify.

I was put off smart phones because of the short battery life but this lasts longer than my previous Nokia flip-phone. I love it too.

I'm glad that I held out and waited for the SE and I think it will be a few years before I get the urge to change.

clewsy · 10-09-2016, 08:19

I think price hiking is just Apples choice.

The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin.

Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin.

Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase.

calico_pie · 10-09-2016, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I have no problem with Apple products we just need to get away from this God-like status their products have. Then we can have a rational and sensible debate.

For example, the iPhone 7 is essentially the only really well specced sub 5-inch phone now! For me that means it's a perfect size. Not many Android phones that small nowadays.

They have God like status?

kidspud · 10-09-2016, 08:56

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Originally Posted by clewsy

I think price hiking is just Apples choice.

The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin.

Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin.

Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase.

Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free

calico_pie · 10-09-2016, 08:58

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Originally Posted by clewsy

I think price hiking is just Apples choice.

The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin.

Source?

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Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin.

Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase.

And why might people have brand loyalty?

calico_pie · 10-09-2016, 08:59

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free

Source?

jchamier · 10-09-2016, 09:51

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free

Reminds of me of this:

The Graybeard engineer retired and a few weeks later the Big Machine broke down, which was essential to the company’s revenue. The Manager couldn’t get the machine to work again so the company called in Graybeard as an independent consultant.

Graybeard agrees. He walks into the factory, takes a look at the Big Machine, grabs a sledge hammer, and whacks the machine once whereupon the machine starts right up. Graybeard leaves and the company is making money again.

The next day Manager receives a bill from Graybeard for £5,000. Manager is furious at the price and refuses to pay. Graybeard assures him that it’s a fair price. Manager retorts that if it’s a fair price Graybeard won’t mind itemizing the bill. Graybeard agrees that this is a fair request and complies.

The new, itemized bill reads….

Hammer: £5

Knowing where to hit the machine with hammer: £4995

1manonthebog · 10-09-2016, 09:54

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Originally Posted by clewsy

I think price hiking is just Apples choice.

The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin.

Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin.

Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase.

I think this also, they are simply profiteering using brexit as an excuse, sickening.

d123 · 10-09-2016, 10:03

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Originally Posted by clewsy

I think price hiking is just Apples choice.

The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous).

Where did you get your exchange rate from? There aren't $4 to the £.

Quote:

It costs Apple an estimated $236 to make and assemble its new iPhone 6s Plus, roughly one-third the $749 retail price of the smartphone, according to a teardown analysis by IHS Technology.

http://www.recode.net/2015/9/29/1161...49-to-purchase

09-09-2016, 08:37	#276
Gilbertoo Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19,058	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I have no problem with Apple products we just need to get away from this God-like status their products have. Then we can have a rational and sensible debate. For example, the iPhone 7 is essentially the only really well specced sub 5-inch phone now! For me that means it's a perfect size. Not many Android phones that small nowadays. Is that why you're flitting between the two iPhone 7 threads telling people how rubbish it is and that anyone remotely liking it needs help? I'm sure the forum is eternally grateful for your service, although if you want a bit of feedback, maybe tone down the 'Megadrive vs. SNES' and 'PS3 vs. X360' type vibe - it comes across as a bit 'squabbly'.

09-09-2016, 08:47	#277
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Quote: Originally Posted by Gilbertoo Is that why you're flitting between the two iPhone 7 threads telling people how rubbish it is and that anyone remotely liking it needs help? I'm sure the forum is eternally grateful for your service, although if you want a bit of feedback, maybe tone down the 'Megadrive vs. SNES' and 'PS3 vs. X360' type vibe - it comes across as a bit 'squabbly'. I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all? If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous.

09-09-2016, 08:57	#278
Gilbertoo Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19,058	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all? If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous. Then maybe, y'know, stop contributing to multiple threads about the iPhone 7?! I don't care what Samsung...apple or any company announces to be honest - why should I get my knickers in a twist at over-egged marketing?

09-09-2016, 09:13	#279
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all? If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous. Both companies innovate. Two years ago Apple produced one of the first flexible phones that folded neatly in your pocket. Samsung have now beaten Apple to it with the first Mission Impossible phone. Who, of a certain generation, wouldn't want a message device that self destructed in 30 seconds. Come on Apple, always behind the times.

09-09-2016, 09:46	#280
treefr0g Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,342	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 I use it to send texts hands free and also to set timers when I'm working and using both hands or working with dirty hands. Works well for both. I always use it when cooking for setting the timer. Much quicker than setting it manually.

09-09-2016, 10:57	#281
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I'm fed up with people having nothing but positive stuff to say about this phone. There is nothing remotely bad about it huh? No negatives at all? If Samsung did this, you would be up in arms. It's totally ridiculous. What positive comments? I even created an 'appreciation' thread for the iPhone 7 and it was almost completely ignored.

09-09-2016, 11:07	#282
Stereo Steve Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,378	At the end of the day who cares? It's a phone. Buy it or not. It will probably work quite well. There will probably some niggles as usual which will take an update or 2. On the whole, people who choose to buy it will be very happy with it and that will be that. One of the reasons I bought my SE is that I fully expected the 7 to be just this and I couldn't justify paying over £600 for such a thing. That doesn't mean I don't like it or that I think anyone who does buy one is stupid or a victim of marketing. I'm personally very happy to be back on iOS and if I wanted a larger phone and could justify the cost I would buy a 7. Or a 6 or a 6S. The biggest irony I suppose is that those who hate the phone and the company and never intend to buy one actually do Apple a huge favour by keeping Apple threads at the top of most tech forums, not realising that most people take buying decisions on a series of practical considerations, not frothing, irrational hatred of one particular brand.

09-09-2016, 13:22	#283
shaddler Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Station Eleven Posts: 3,489	Quote: Originally Posted by bikerlad Belkin will be selling an adapter to charge your iPhone and use headphones Link Only 40 dollars for a small adapter. Bargain!

09-09-2016, 13:24	#284
shaddler Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Station Eleven Posts: 3,489	Quote: Originally Posted by Stereo Steve One of the reasons I bought my SE is that I fully expected the 7 to be just this and I couldn't justify paying over £600 for such a thing. Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all.

09-09-2016, 16:55	#285
Stereo Steve Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,378	Quote: Originally Posted by shaddler Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all. To be honest I absolutely love it. Does everything I need it to do although struggling with wifi calling but that's more down to my ADSL and kids streaming crap all the time. But as a phone, it's totally perfect for me.

09-09-2016, 17:04	#286
1manonthebog Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,332	I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that.

09-09-2016, 17:33	#287
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by 1manonthebog I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that. They will be, this is the first major launch since the referendum I think the currency nosedive is going to hurt on all imported stuff.

09-09-2016, 17:40	#288
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 They will be, this is the first major launch since the referendum I think the currency nosedive is going to hurt on all imported stuff. Yup. OnePlus put up its prices quite soon after. Others have considered it, or have released products since that already included a slight premium.

09-09-2016, 18:22	#289
Gilbertoo Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19,058	Quote: Originally Posted by 1manonthebog I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that. To be fair, other manufacturers haven't had a whopping and rather unexpected £11bn tax bill fall at their feet!

09-09-2016, 19:14	#290
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by 1manonthebog I love the way they up'd the price for the UK, I might be wrong but I don't see other manufacturers doing that. I think you will find that Dell and HP put their PC prices up recently. Same reason.

09-09-2016, 20:07	#291
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Gilbertoo To be fair, other manufacturers haven't had a whopping and rather unexpected £11bn tax bill fall at their feet! I very much doubt Apples recent EU tax issue is factored in to the current price. If after the appeal has dragged itself out for the next 5 years or more and they lose it might become something Apple decide to recoup...

09-09-2016, 21:44	#292
treefr0g Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,342	Quote: Originally Posted by shaddler Slightly off topic but how do you find the SE? I realise I don't really need a big screen on my phone after all. Quote: Originally Posted by Stereo Steve To be honest I absolutely love it. Does everything I need it to do although struggling with wifi calling but that's more down to my ADSL and kids streaming crap all the time. But as a phone, it's totally perfect for me. I've got one too. It's the first iPhone that I've ever bought. I thought that I'd been left behind when the screens got bigger but when this was announced I thought that they'd created an iPhone for me. The right size, a great spec and a price that I could justify. I was put off smart phones because of the short battery life but this lasts longer than my previous Nokia flip-phone. I love it too. I'm glad that I held out and waited for the SE and I think it will be a few years before I get the urge to change.

10-09-2016, 08:19	#293
clewsy Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midlands Posts: 2,860	I think price hiking is just Apples choice. The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin. Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin. Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase.

10-09-2016, 08:52	#294
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I have no problem with Apple products we just need to get away from this God-like status their products have. Then we can have a rational and sensible debate. For example, the iPhone 7 is essentially the only really well specced sub 5-inch phone now! For me that means it's a perfect size. Not many Android phones that small nowadays. They have God like status?

10-09-2016, 08:56	#295
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by clewsy I think price hiking is just Apples choice. The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin. Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin. Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase. Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free

10-09-2016, 08:58	#296
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by clewsy I think price hiking is just Apples choice. The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin. Source? Quote: Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin. Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase. And why might people have brand loyalty?

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10-09-2016, 08:59	#297
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free Source?

10-09-2016, 09:51	#298
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Yes, because all the r&d, product development, software development, etc is all free Reminds of me of this: The Graybeard engineer retired and a few weeks later the Big Machine broke down, which was essential to the company’s revenue. The Manager couldn’t get the machine to work again so the company called in Graybeard as an independent consultant. Graybeard agrees. He walks into the factory, takes a look at the Big Machine, grabs a sledge hammer, and whacks the machine once whereupon the machine starts right up. Graybeard leaves and the company is making money again. The next day Manager receives a bill from Graybeard for £5,000. Manager is furious at the price and refuses to pay. Graybeard assures him that it’s a fair price. Manager retorts that if it’s a fair price Graybeard won’t mind itemizing the bill. Graybeard agrees that this is a fair request and complies. The new, itemized bill reads…. Hammer: £5 Knowing where to hit the machine with hammer: £4995

10-09-2016, 09:54	#299
1manonthebog Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,332	Quote: Originally Posted by clewsy I think price hiking is just Apples choice. The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous), so all the rest is profit margin. Some will have to go towards marketing and other overheads , but most is profit margin. Given the phone looks nice but is similar to many android phones, some which are in the £300s price range - its only brand loyalty or some other connection to the brand that would make you purchase. I think this also, they are simply profiteering using brexit as an excuse, sickening.

10-09-2016, 10:03	#300
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by clewsy I think price hiking is just Apples choice. The iPhone costs around £60 to make (being generous). Where did you get your exchange rate from? There aren't $4 to the £. Quote: It costs Apple an estimated $236 to make and assemble its new iPhone 6s Plus, roughly one-third the $749 retail price of the smartphone, according to a teardown analysis by IHS Technology. http://www.recode.net/2015/9/29/1161...49-to-purchase