I don't see how ARTPOP was too artistic for me to understand. It is nothing more than a generic pop album.

Born This Way is actually her most artistic work. Perfect llusion would not have even made the final cut on that and she has done this rock thing before. Songs like Highway Unicorn from Born This Way capture the vibe much better.

You've got to be joking, surely?!!!!

Artpop was not generic though, i cant imagine any other artist doing that album other than Gaga (or someone unheard of who is similar in eccentricness) infact my username comes from Aura

Songs like Venus would not have been out of place on a Geri Halliwell album. Infact first time I heard it the song reminded me of Bag It Up


ARTPOP is a pure pop album. Nothing more nothing less. There was nothing progressive about it. Other songs such as GUY and Sexxx Dreams are as generic as they come.

I think Gypsy is probably the best song on the entire record. It wouldn't have been out this place on Born This Way.

Edit. I forgot about Swine! that is probably the most artistic song Gaga has ever done if you want a true example.

Generic, basic, boring. The only good thing is the slick production.



Oh, the perfect delusion

I don't get some of the reasons on why some people are hating on this song. People keep comparing the song to Bad Romance and her early work as if she should go back to that sound but I guarantee that everyone would be 'bored of her' and would want her to do something different, which is what she is doing now. You've got to think of this as a new era, a more stripped back era.

Another reason is the repetitive lyrics but Poker Face had a repetitive chorus and is classed as her best work. It is true that there are a lot more lyrics in PF I'm not disputing that, but the scenario is the same.

I personally think this is a great song, albeit not her best work and I'm not saying that it's bad at all I think it is very good and it's a song that gets in your head. I think with a few more listens, most of you would start to like it.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong with anything that I've said aside from my opinion)

Hardly, I'm not suggesting for example that she writes all her songs on her own, but I was refuting the suggestion that Beyonce has no creative input whatsoever to her career. That's just ridiculous.

If I cared enough to actually do so I would source and post an entire thread's worth of evidence to the contrary. However, it would obviously be a waste of my time and not worth the effort just to prove a point. Nor would you read it.

The main problem with the song seems to be that it just doesn't make an impression. It isn't particularly catchy and her vocal doesn't sound that nice.

You're probably right with regards to the "repetitive lyrics" complaint being a slight contradiction, but I don't think people would be mentioning that as much if the song actually sounded appealing. Also, Pokerface was a fun party/dance track whereas it seems like Perfect Illusion is intended to be taken more seriously, yet the lyrics don't really deliver. If 'stripped back' is what she's going for, then both her lyrics and vocals will need to be better than they are on this song.

It's just not her best work, as you said.

I've never bought any Gaga. I did LOVE Bad Romance & a couple from around that era, but the hype turns me away (as with most mainstream artists).

First time I heard the new single 'Perfect Illusion' I thought it meh.

Now, its caught up on me & a really love it. Her voice in the verses sounds like shes trying to channel Bruce Springsteen (?!), it sounds quite compact & punchy. Theres defo a rock-ish vibe on the surface, but the production has probably been tweeked to oblivion!

8/10.

this is dropping down the itunes chart. buzz single?

Putting aside the fact you used Perez Hilton as a point of reference, do you really think the ARTPOP era would have happened if Gaga managed her image as scrupulously as Taylor Swift? Why would she pay for good reviews during her most commercially popular era, but then stop paying for good reviews during her "downfall"? That makes no sense.

Music critics in my opinion are reliable judges of good quality music. That's what they're being paid to do for a living, so they must be pretty knowledgeable about it.

Number 4 in midweeks

Obviously a flop then

Seriously though, number 4 is pretty good considering she's been gone from music for a few years.

At the rate she's dropping (no 10 on iTunes, no 45 on Spotify) she'll be lucky to finish the week top 10

Yes, but I don't see what being pitched up or pitched down has to do with the style of singing. I agree it doesn't sound good when artists sing higher than the natural range which sometimes happens in modern electronic music.
I don't mind lower vocals if they are fuller, but I'm talking about the screaming and shrieking I hear on Perfect Illusion. It's a different style of singing which has nothing to do with the pitch of the vocals.

It's a bit too harsh sounding for me. Her vocals are shouty and don't sound very good tbh. Shame because the production really is fantastic. There is a great song hiding in there somewhere but it hasn't been executed well. It's not a bad comeback by any means though. Catchy enough and attention grabbing definitely. She could've done a lot worse.

How was Artpop artistic? It's just a generic pop album. I didn't really like it but there are a couple of good songs on it. The shouty vocals kinda put me off it a bit. Best songs on it in my opinion are Do What U Want, Venus, Sexxx Dreams, G.U.Y, the title track and Gypsy.

Perfect Illusion is awful, not a patch on ARTPOP.

Okay, so the more I listen to this song, the more I'm LOVING it. I still stand by what I said earlier that it's a generic sounding song and not as good as Applause imo, but I'm really started to love it. Had it on repeat for the last couple of days!

Music critics are paid, but they are subjective like everyone else when it comes to music. They naturally have certain preferences for certain genres like the rest of us. So reviews are really just the taste of the reviewer and not really judges of quality. You can read reviews of the same album by different reviewers and get very different verdicts.

But I don't think you can blame critics if an album doesn't do well. Now anyone can go to youtube or one of the streaming services and listen to an album and make up their own mind whether they like it or not. They don't have to take a critic's word for it. So if Artpop didn't do well, I don't think it had anything to do with critics, but people listened to it and decided they didn't care for it and didn't want to buy it.

So I've been listening to it for a few days on and off, and it's still terrible.

There's been some utter DROSS in the charts lately so I don't think it's TERRIBLE but it doesn't seem to go anywhere & at this crucial point in her career I don't think anything less than a killer tune would've done enough to salvage her precarious position

I feel people are extra critical on Gaga for some reason. I think from day one people want to see her fail, I'm not sure why, maybe it's the crazy outfits or something.

But with artists like Beyonce, Rihanna etc- they too have put out some crap stuff. Rihanna had a song this year (Sledgehammer) which had zero impact. Admittedly she had Work which was successful, but we all know deep down that song is utter cr ap and isn't exactly creative.

well i have been listening to the song all week and can say it has definitely grown on me! which is what seems to happen with all Gaga's songs. i am not sure this will be a hit for her though, but i suppose we will have to wait till the videos out and the song gets playlisted on radio.
to be honest i am disappointed by alot of artists this past year, Britneys Glory album is pretty poo aside from a handful of songs, and 'make me' was just an awful choice of lead single. Beyonce's Lemonade whilst having done reasonably well has got really boring for me already, i still listen to her previous album before that and enjoy it far more.
i am starting to think that music is just starting to become dull and uninspired all round

i didn't like it when i first heard it but expected it to be a grower and i was right. i know really quite enjoy it.