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Ok Katie, you can shut up now!
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Pitman
09-09-2016
I don't understand the joke, was the target BB, making them out to be as bad as Nazis in concentration camps ?

anyway, that's not all he said in the house , with his form he has shown he is a bit of a **** and I hope he is never on telly again, I hope he is reduced to doing PAs with Stephen Bear for the rest of his life
lulu g
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by Xuri:
“Also, he wasn't thrown out for that singular comment. I thought he was ejected for having made several comments about varying things.”

Yes, and the other HMs just weren't told why he had been ejected, as far as I know.
Pitman
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“What's been said is over with now & there's no going back so Katie should drop it now & stop milking it.”

she should but you can see why she isn't, if papers are willing to pay her, I am sure she's not a rich woman
lulu g
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Why should the person making a joke conform to the will of the person who feels offended? Why shouldn't the person who feels offended conform to the belief that the person making the joke has a right to make the joke?
While a person may feel offended they have the option of choosing to avoid that person in the future and not watch them when they appear on other TV programmes.

We all go through life being offended by a multitude of things. There's no such thing as a perfect life where nobody is offended. It's a natural emotion. When it gets to the point where society thinks that it has a duty to protect the people from their own emotions by taking punitive measures against anyone who offends their sensibilities then I think that we have a serious problem going on.
It's a ludicrous situation where legislative measures are taken against people because other people believe that they have a right to not be offended.
But it's worse, certain people with authority are actually taking preemptive measures against people because somebody else MIGHT be offended.
It's ludicrous. And a bit scary.

I have found certain contestants on Big Brother before very unlikable and I found some of their actions offensive. But I didn't complain to Ofcom or call for them to be punished. I just decided that I didn't like them, and that's pretty much that. You hope that the vote will get rid of them. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. However, they have the right to be an absolute c**t. It's not my business to try to get them into trouble or ruin their life. If I did that then I would be doing a disservice to myself.”

I doubt there is a Jewish person alive who wouldn't take offence at a Holocaust-related 'joke'.
Pamthehound
09-09-2016
Her Granny is more famous!!
Pitman
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Yes, and the other HMs just weren't told why he had been ejected, as far as I know.”

they should have had a sweepstake, was it the transphobic, sexist or racist comments ?

ETA : I think it was Ryan who was transphobic, I am getting my Big Brother bellends mixed up, that's right, Biggins had a go at the bisexuals didn't he ?
Alrightmate
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“I doubt there is a Jewish person alive who wouldn't take offence at a Holocaust-related 'joke'.”

I disagree. I think that a Jewish person would probably be more likely to make jokes about the holocaust than anybody else. Plenty of Jewish comedians have joked about it.
Not that they think that the holocaust is a funny thing in itself, but because they're making jokes and creating humour out of something bad.
Pitman
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I disagree. I think that a Jewish person would probably be more likely to make jokes about the holocaust than anybody else. Plenty of Jewish comedians have joked about it.
Not that they think that the holocaust is a funny thing in itself, but because they're making jokes and creating humour out of something bad.”

Jewish people of course would, but it would be a bit too close to the bone to hear Biggins the panto darling doing holocaust gags

though Katie, I suspect is a bit of a moron, and probably didn't even get his joke
Bowdon
10-09-2016
It's funny how she wasn't offended in the BB house.

We only have BB's word that she ran off crying and had to be counselled. But when she came out of the house and spoke about Biggins, she said she didn't know why he'd left.

I'm doubting BB's story of events. I think they 'enhanced' what had happened to get him out of the house because of his bi comments.

Katie couldn't have been offended as if someone told a bad joke to you, that had you crying and upset, when you heard their name you wouldnt react at all? and even appear, and say, you were concerned about them? It doesn't make sense.

Someone is blowing this all out of proportion and given her the 'script' to play when she came out. She obviously didn't get the script in that first interview. That question and her answer is conveniently edited out of the official this morning video.

I'm sure Katie's been told to keep saying how disgusted she is as it keeps her in the spotlight.
lulu g
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I disagree. I think that a Jewish person would probably be more likely to make jokes about the holocaust than anybody else. Plenty of Jewish comedians have joked about it.
Not that they think that the holocaust is a funny thing in itself, but because they're making jokes and creating humour out of something bad.”

Yes, that is true, but that's quite different. He's not Jewish and she is.
patsylimerick
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Yes, that is true, but that's quite different. He's not Jewish and she is.”

I very much think that the Holocaust is one of the few things that qualifies as extremely poor taste in terms of humour. I laugh at all sorts; cancer jokes, disability jokes, extremely lewd humour.... I think you should be able to joke about pretty much anything. But the Holocaust? Just so monumentally horrific and important, as a lesson in the dangerous potentials of an angry society, that it deserves a particular respect and solemnity.

As to why Biggins is 'forgiven' so easily; I think it's because his removal seemed so monumentally unfair when that ridiculous asswipe Bear was kept in.
Virgil Tracy
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Yes, that is true, but that's quite different. He's not Jewish and she is.”

the thing is - Biggins lives very much in the showbiz world , and Jewish people and Jewish comedy is very much a big part of that world , and I would imagine that off-camera the jokes are even more 'bad taste' than on-camera .

I would guess that 'Joan Rivers' type of comedy and jokes is pretty rife amongst actors as they're sitting around between takes .

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patsylimerick
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“the thing is - Biggins lives very much in the showbiz world , and Jewish people and Jewish comedy is very much a big part of that world , and I would imagine that off-camera the jokes are even more 'bad taste' than on-camera .

I would guess that 'Joan Rivers' type of comedy and jokes is pretty rife amongst actors as they're sitting around between takes .

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The problem for Biggins is that there's an undercurrent of seriousness under his 'joking'. He wasn't, for instance, in any way sympathetic towards bisexuals and he can call it humour all day long - it's blatant prejudice.
Virgil Tracy
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“The problem for Biggins is that there's an undercurrent of seriousness under his 'joking'. He wasn't, for instance, in any way sympathetic towards bisexuals and he can call it humour all day long - it's blatant prejudice.”

oh yeah , his little theories about bisexuals were prejudice .


I don't know how mean-spirited it was from Biggins , but tbh a lot of people have these kind of theories where they generalise about some group or other , it's boneheaded and I do think he probably felt he could get away with it .

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Alrightmate
10-09-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“Jewish people of course would, but it would be a bit too close to the bone to hear Biggins the panto darling doing holocaust gags

though Katie, I suspect is a bit of a moron, and probably didn't even get his joke ”

I think that the big mistake Biggins made was that this time he didn't cackle after he said it.
Usually a bit of a cackle after everything he says makes everything okay.
Pitman
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“oh yeah , his little theories about bisexuals were prejudice .


I don't know how mean-spirited it was from Biggins , but tbh a lot of people have these kind of theories where they generalise about some group or other , it's boneheaded and I do think he probably felt he could get away with it .

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I doubt it was mean spirited, he'd have at least had to have done it under the pretence of being ironic, that's how Jimmy Carr gets away with it
Pitman
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think that the big mistake Biggins made was that this time he didn't cackle after he said it.
Usually a bit of a cackle after everything he says makes everything okay.”

maybe the cackle has just past it's sell by date, it's had a good run ?
Alrightmate
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“I doubt it was mean spirited, he'd have at least had to have done it under the pretence of being ironic, that's how Jimmy Carr gets away with it ”


I think he gets away with it because he usually hasn't said anything that bad going by the general standards of what we consider to be truly offensive. That's what annoys me the most about Jimmy Carr, he pretends that he's offended everybody in the audience by saying something taboo. It's demonstrated by the way he suddenly stops and looks around defensively saying "What?" as if he's gone too far. It appears to be his schtick.
You said the word 'shit' Jimmy. Nobody has been offended by that word since 1934.
Comedians who are truly considered to be offensive simply don't get on television.
sibok
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“"I certainly don't want to sit down with someone who excuses making anti-Semitic jokes by saying they are friends with Lesley Joseph."

Great quote from Katie.”

Well said Katie. The nation's favourite anti-semite and his "I'm mates with Lesley Joseph" is just another version of "some of my best friends are black".
Whenever UKIP need an after dinner speaker I'm sure Biggins will be grateful for the gig.
sibok
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“I doubt it was mean spirited, he'd have at least had to have done it under the pretence of being ironic, that's how Jimmy Carr gets away with it ”

Oh don't be fooled. Biggins can only do mean spirited. He's well known for it behind closed doors. Ask anyone who ever attended one of his dinner parties where he holds court to a host of eager wannabes and faded hasbeens. The cackling and giggling are there to mask the mean spiritedness.
Recall the spite and anger he exhibited when ranting about "those bisexuals".
Bunions
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“The problem for Biggins is that there's an undercurrent of seriousness under his 'joking'. He wasn't, for instance, in any way sympathetic towards bisexuals and he can call it humour all day long - it's blatant prejudice.”

Absolutely agree - he managed to display ignorance, bigotry and insensitivity all at once and there was no punchline in sight.

I actually only started watching because I heard about his removal so I watched what he said very closely and even though I was floored by the extent of his unenlightened bullshit, I don't think he should have been removed for it.

Mind you, by doing so, BB probably saved whatever's left of his career.

Can you imagine another week or two of his unrestrained errant blathering

I think he showed himself for what and who he really is. He's become some kind of 'establishment' gay man who is so accepted in his luvvie circles, he thinks he can say whatever he likes about whoever he likes, with impunity.

He's an embarrassment.
sibok
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“Absolutely agree - he managed to display ignorance, bigotry and insensitivity all at once and there was no punchline in sight.

I actually only started watching because I heard about his removal so I watched what he said very closely and even though I was floored by the extent of his unenlightened bullshit, I don't think he should have been removed for it.

Mind you, by doing so, BB probably saved whatever's left of his career.

Can you imagine another week or two of his unrestrained errant blathering

I think he showed himself for what and who he really is. He's become some kind of 'establishment' gay man who is so accepted in his luvvie circles, he thinks he can say whatever he likes about whoever he likes, with impunity.

He's an embarrassment.”

A bore like Biggins who loves to hold court and drone on about any and everything will eventually have said something far worse. He wouldn't have been able to stop himself. Getting him on the subject of race would have been enlightening...

Only some in the luvvie circuit love him. Many don't. Precisely because he is a bitter old queen.
Bunions
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by sibok:
“Oh don't be fooled. Biggins can only do mean spirited. He's well known for it behind closed doors. Ask anyone who ever attended one of his dinner parties where he holds court to a host of eager wannabes and faded hasbeens. The cackling and giggling are there to mask the mean spiritedness.
Recall the spite and anger he exhibited when ranting about "those bisexuals".”

It was really weird to watch/listen to.

A man who sleeps with men, who cannot wrap his head around the concept of other men wanting to sleep with men......................and women.

Just because he himself doesn't wish to and/or can't

I wonder if he's a tad jealous?
sibok
11-09-2016
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“It was really weird to watch/listen to.

A man who sleeps with men, who cannot wrap his head around the concept of other men wanting to sleep with men......................and women.

Just because he himself doesn't wish to and/or can't

I wonder if he's a tad jealous? ”

It's like a vegan having a strong dislike of vegetarians. A lunatic.
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