I now feel a bit silly.

We are saying exactly the same thing only I failed to notice.

Have a good day.

BIB: How rude (and, indeed, ironic) that you respond like this.

Rude - by using that statement, (specifically the "go") are you suggesting that there is a general lack of understanding on my part? If so, you couldn't be more wrong my dear.


Ironic in the fact that I never, ever said I myself saw her as a "nobody". I said she was GENERALLY written off as such. I remember a whole number of threads expressing disappointment that such a so-called "small-time" celebrity was going to appear on the show. So I wasn't talking about me...

Yes, I do not watch the Proms (though I know what they are so no need for the sarcastic "really popular concerts" comment)....but I didn't have to as she is best known to me as a ex-newscaster at ITN. I remember when she started as their Media reporter in 1998 before going on to front the Lunchtime News. So while she may have been "presenting the Proms for a very long time" she was on ITN News way before that - 12 years before to be precise. Therefore, I have absolutely zero reason to call her a "nobody", do not have to admit that "I 've never watched anything she did" nor "generalize perceptions based on my own".

Who's gone wrong there then???

To end it in DiamondDoll's words:

"Have a good day".

Ah yes series 3 when everyone dressed so prom and properly

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=li...k6cgsKqjbHM%3A

Really it's a question of doing your job to the best of your ability AND keeping current.

Obviously the producers feel that Anton has a place but they need to then realise what that place is an not give him anyone with a fighting chance of winning.

Poor Katie last year looked embarrassed doing Latin, though they had the support to get them to the finals as a couple they did stick out like a sore thumb.

It was however very wrong of the judges to moan about that having put them in the finals themselves.

I agree, it is a question of doing your job and my points throughout have just tried to emphasise this , and agree that the producers feel Anton has a place in the show hence why he has been in for 14 series, and 100% agree that they could never give him anyone with a fighting chance of winning.

I am not sure Katie looked embarrassed with Latin, in my opinion it came down to the tutoring, and I don`t think Anton went into last series thinking he had a fighting chance so assumed he could get away with his latin abilities and when it became apparent Katie could move, he needed to up his game, and as I mentioned I think this is maybe why he had Gleb help him one week (in Antons defence Gleb isn`t the greatest ballroom and got Anton to assist, the pros aren`t pros at every dance) .

Re Katie and Anton getting to the final (this point applies to all couples) , I am not sure it is just dancing ability that gets them to a final, other factors can help, personality, luck, public vote, and perhaps fanbase of the pro oh and great dancing skills, but past finals have proved this isn`t always the case (Chris Hollins?)

Look at Jamelia on paper she could have done really well but her public persona was detested (something to do with calling out fat people on loose women judging by formus and FB), and always in the bottom 2 ! then there was Peter Andre who started as the darling, touted to win and then the whole debacle of the Jamelia & Peter dance off,where the Beeb made a big error of judgement and the following week off Peter went as the GB public like fair play. IMO

I am totally in agreement re judges moaning though, they score them so help them on leader board, public votes and if they ended up in a dance off (can`t recall if they ever did one) the judges would have saved them, The judges are there in the final to score the dances, not to criticise a couple , who rightly or wrongly are there for being there.

Hasn't the subject of Anton's Latin already been done to death? Those who see his faults will continue to do so; those who think he's wonderful will also continue to do so - and nothing wrong with a differing view.

Well I would say that although Katie said she wanted to really impress with the latin going into Strictly, it became obvious early on that it just wasn't her strength (tango and argentine tango aside imo). She was clearly more at ease in ballroom and Anton made the most of that and did what he could with latin.

The whole point is to make it the most enjoyable experience for the celeb as possible and I think Anton judged it right with Katie. He found what she was best at and really worked at that to get the best he could (vienesse waltz proved that).


Clearly the show is more than just a dancing show. It is a popularity contest, that will always be the case until it's end. With Katie and Anton, I think it was just the right mixture of everything that got them there. Anton only played up to the 'Year of the Anton' story because it was being made one by the producers. After they topped in week 4, the change in tone to them was different, you could tell. Katie was clearly happy to be a part of it and didn't seem to mind being in the shadows of that if you like. She knew that out of the two of them, Anton would be the bigger draw, and that's what the storyline provided.

I say all that as a long-time fan of Katie back from her days on ITV and on the Proms, so its no disrespect to her. Strictly is a bit of the PR game and she played it well. as did Anton. As a story of the series, it was a far more interesting one to me than the procession that was Jay's win in week 3.

I will agree with you that the judges were too harsh on Katie and Anton in the final though. Craig's four for the charleston still annoys me. It wasn't that bad. And clearly the public loved them, so they did deserve a place there.

I feel a debate like this should be broadened to include not only Anton's Latin, but Janette and Karen's ballroom, Brendan's Samchalsa and everyone's lamp-post/chair dancing.

No way....Anton is the resident Strictly 'punchbag' as far as this forum is concerned...

I don't even know where to start with this 😒😒😒

Amazing on this forum how a pro dancer can get so much stick when the beeb are happy enough to lump three judges onto the show who have little or no knowledge of ballroom. and only slightly more knowledge of Latin

No, now that isn`t true being an habitual lurker on the DS SCD forums, you could add the "kevin bag" & "karen bag" to your punch bags, also possibly a "kristina bag" .

Well, first of all, I'd suggest you had some chamomile tea with extra honey. You seem to be very agitated by the tone of your post.

Second, I don't think it's rude to point out when someone's wrong saying "you're wrong" because you were wrong, after all. You quoted my response to another poster - when I said that I only had read positive things about her (implying that this was during Strictly time) - and misinterpreted such quote as in, "I've never read anything bad about her, ever". So, yes, it was misinterpretation on your part. When I explained this point in writing "This is where you go wrong", you went into a tizzy and accused me of being rude. And I'm no more rude than you being all passive aggressive calling me "dear" (BIB) and "wishing me a good day" clearly meaning "please drop dead now you horrible woman".

If you were not talking about your own point of view (about her being a nobody), you could have worded better because this is not the impression one has when reading your post. However, I don't really remember threads (neither here nor anywhere else) complaining that she was a "minor celebrity". Yes, her popularity grew during the course of the show but she was far from being a nobody in the beginning. Again, I have never heard anyone calling her a nobody.

To sum up, I'll end here because it's absolutely pointless trying to have a debate when you clearly think that everyone else has to accept your opinion. This kind of discussion is just like that thread a couple of weeks ago where you were insisting that "Judge Rinder is a minor celebrity/has been around for 5 minutes and should not have been signed for Strictly", while quite a few other posters and I were trying to explain to you that that wasn't the case; just because you don't know or don't like someone it's not a good enough reason for them not to be on the programme. You think Katie was a nobody so this was "clearly" everyone's perception as well (not).

It's not the pointing out that's the issue I have - ITS HOW you pointed it out.

And there's no pssive agression. I am openly and sarcastically RESPONDING to your rudeness - simple as. As for BIB, I think you should have some of that camomile tea and honey yourself - talk about overreaction in the extreme,




Allow me to quote myself:


I don't know how much clearer I could have been...




As far as Katie Derham is concerned, which opinion??? About what???




No, honestly, which part of...


...do you really not understand???

I promised myself I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore but here goes. There's a very simple solution to this, aham, "debate".

"In the Strictly world" = inside your head.

So, until you prove it and present some solid evidence, ie links to this " Strictly world" where people said she was a nobody, I will still believe that this "world" you speak of is entirely based on the inside of your head.

Safe travels, mate.

PS: No, I wasn't rude, I just said "you are wrong". Not my fault that you are over sensitive about people pointing your mistakes out.

Keep waiting - because I won't be proving anything to you.


"...calling me "dear" and "wishing me a good day" clearly meaning "please drop dead now you horrible woman".

I'll just leave that one right there...

Cummon guys.
It's not nice to read.

And you started the day off so nicely too Diamond...

agreed ^^^-

So I did. xx

I can't believe anyone responded to this seriously. Anton is about as Latin as a Ford Fiesta. With the seat-belts on
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Reckon this will be my only post on this forum this year, but just to sum it up, all Anton's partners who have done badly it's because of him, and the ones who've done well it's in spite of him and they would have done much better with a different pro.
Last year Jive Vg, tango superb (not strictly Latin I know), Rhumba beautiful. In short some better than others, but in a season where an unfancied contender got to the final in the back of some wonderful dances it was Anton's fault that this unfancied finalist didn't do better.
Maybe there should just be a big merged "We All Hate Anton" thread.

Lol

Please return. I appreciate your posting style.

I like Anton and the role he plays in the show. He clearly does do Latin because his choreography is actually (what I understand to be) Latin and not 2 mins of props and filler.

Have to agree with you there

I am glad not all PROs are great at everything and dance in similar styles, that is what makes this show entertaining

Here goes then: deep breathe

These people ( other than Brendan ) were effectively brought on to the show by Jason Gilchrist and their experience of working with him on Burn the Floor. That is not a show that has dancers who need not be experienced in ballroom and Latin.. Indeed even if they are experienced in this field like Kevin, they have often not done well on the competition circuit.

I have always been certain in my mind that as an employment policy it is very faulty. Cliquey and not looking in a wide enough employment pool. I don't know about the new dancers on the show and their qualification to be on the show, but I will be very disappointed to find that they have been employed on their past time on Burn the floor.

I recognise the style, frantic at times, flashy and very showy, crowd pleasing as in Janette spending her time being flung into the air when ever possible.

That's the problem, what they can do well is sometimes amazing, but once we saw Janette being flung about the next time was not amazing, nor the time after.

I don't think that group have the breadthe of experience for a show like SCD and that's why the stick out. In fairness to them, I do think they learn off season, Karen and Janette are better at ballroom than they were.

Kevin , ah Kevin, he is very much an entertainer, does flash and show and when he isn't doing that his routines are often very dull. A couple of his ballroom dances last year with Kellie, I can't remember which they were, there was one a foxtrot I think, dedicated to her grandparents, that was extremely dull.

Brendan is Anton mark 2 not really keeping up to date, looking jaded and for a Latin specialist, 😱 doesn't seem to know how to teach it, and oh lord he doesn't know how to dance it without his bum sticking out a mile. He looks tired and jaded, not sure what role he actually has to play?

Going back to burn the floor, it can produce dancers of exceptional quality Artem for one, but certainly not every dancer from there is capable of being the right person for SCD.