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Old 16-09-2016, 06:33
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understanding and forgiving and loving robert despite everything is in a way-- paradoxically-- aaron paying it forward
It's about Aaron being selfish (as usual). He'd rather be in a relationship with Robert to make himself happy than drawing the line at being with someone who would almost kill the person who never gives up on him no matter what.

What's worse though is Chas being totally fine with Robert even though he killed her best friend. I can see Aaron selfishly pursuing the relationship to spite his mother, but Chas acting like nothing happened is hilarious. If Emmerdale presented this relationship as an unhealthy one, then I think the storyline might work a bit better. But, instead they wanted to gloss over the past to please the fandom. Anyway, I know for some, Robert can do no wrong and that's fine for them, but all I can see is a glob of smugness when he's on screen that kind of makes my skin crawl.
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Old 16-09-2016, 08:25
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it was robert being gobby robert, scaring paddy to keep his trap shut.. no strong reason to believe he'll follow it through-- and he didn't
You call threatening an infant with Down's syndrome just being Gobby......wow. Wether he intended to follow through or not ( I think he would have done if his seedy little affair didn't come out days later ) a threat was despicable enough.
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Old 16-09-2016, 08:31
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katie was an accident...

attempting to kill paddy and chas... he chickened out on both counts...

similar to aaron's journey... when he messed with the brakes of carl's car and chickened out...

it's a journey yes... robert was very conflicted at the time being pulled in two directions by two desires-- the life of luxury and his love for one man
He may not have intended to kill Katie but she died because he was being violent towards her, but hey at least the guilt he felt meant he took his punishment like a man.

He didn't chicken out of killing paddy or chas, Andy had to turn of the grain pit to stop paddy from dying whom then needed hospital treatment.

He stopped the contract on chas because he no longer needed her killed, she told him she wouldn't tell chrissie about his affair ( Robron fans have remembered this as he couldn't beer to hurt Aaron, but if you rewatch the scene he just didn't need the heat it would have brought him )
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Old 16-09-2016, 10:02
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You call threatening an infant with Down's syndrome just being Gobby......wow. Wether he intended to follow through or not ( I think he would have done if his seedy little affair didn't come out days later ) a threat was despicable enough.

it's about threatening paddy to stop him from ruining his life

empty threat
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Old 16-09-2016, 10:15
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He may not have intended to kill Katie but she died because he was being violent towards her, but hey at least the guilt he felt meant he took his punishment like a man.
yes, he didn't intend to kill katie

he didn't know the floor was rot when he pushed her

he didn't intend for her to plunge three floors down to her death



He didn't chicken out of killing paddy or chas, Andy had to turn of the grain pit to stop paddy from dying whom then needed hospital treatment.

in his defence, he was drunk when he got the brilliant to turn on the grains auger...

but he did come back to help paddy out... why else would he take off his jacket if not to go down there to help him...

but he was stopped from helping paddy by andy's arrival




He stopped the contract on chas because he no longer needed her killed, she told him she wouldn't tell chrissie about his affair ( Robron fans have remembered this as he couldn't beer to hurt Aaron, but if you rewatch the scene he just didn't need the heat it would have brought him )

yes he tried to call it off but his contact can't be ermmm contacted... he tried and tried and tried but he can't contact him to call the thing off... and he eventually gave up, telling himself--saying-- veiled-- to chrissie-- that he tried his best...

he even tried to justify his decision to give up when he told aaron in the hospital that chas was a liability... when aaron said he needed his mum, that's when robert renewed his resolve to put the hit off and he went as far as to show his face to the hitman to give him the money and call the thing off
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Old 16-09-2016, 10:35
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This is the problem with hero-worshipping and fandoms.... you can justify anything to anyone about anything.

Almost like a DV victim - continuing to "love and forgive" despite everything.

All a bit weird in my book, but each to their own.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:33
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This is the problem with hero-worshipping and fandoms.... you can justify anything to anyone about anything.

Almost like a DV victim - continuing to "love and forgive" despite everything.

All a bit weird in my book, but each to their own.

which is canon and what happened... that's what aaron told chas on the night robert was shot: despite everything he still loved him... and will take him back in a shot

but what did he do with that feelings and realisation?

this being a soap, of course he just went out to pick up a crowbar to ermmm use on bae... yupp this is continuing drama where feelings are heightened and actions are dramatic... you love him so much you need to crowbar him to prise him out of your life

if aaron still loved robert when he was still the resident dales villain, what more when he turned himself round and be his monumental support in his hour of need
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:40
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which is canon and what happened... that's what aaron told chas on the night robert was shot: despite everything he still loved him... and will take him back in a shot

but what did he do with that feelings and realisation?

this being a soap, of course he just went out to pick up a crowbar to ermmm use on bae... yupp this is continuing drama where feelings are heightened and actions are dramatic... you love him so much you need to crowbar him to prise him out of your life

if aaron still loved robert when he was still the resident dales villain, what more when he turned himself round and be his monumental support in his hour of need
Weird. Very weird.

But as I said, each to their own. Many, many people find disfynctional, violent relationships attractive.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:45
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Weird. Very weird.

But as I said, each to their own. Many, many people find disfynctional, violent relationships attractive.

as i said, it is soap lolz

just explaining why aaron will still love and forgive rob in the context of "continuing drama" with thursday double bills to fill up week in and week out
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:47
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as i said, it is soap lolz
Is it really?

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Old 16-09-2016, 11:50
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ooopps.. should i have revealed that more ermmm gently?
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:50
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yes, he didn't intend to kill katie

he didn't know the floor was rot when he pushed her

he didn't intend for her to plunge three floors down to her death

in his defence, he was drunk when he got the brilliant to turn on the grains auger...

but he did come back to help paddy out... why else would he take off his jacket if not to go down there to help him...

but he was stopped from helping paddy by andy's arrival


yes he tried to call it off but his contact can't be ermmm contacted... he tried and tried and tried but he can't contact him to call the thing off... and he eventually gave up, telling himself--saying-- veiled-- to chrissie-- that he tried his best...

he even tried to justify his decision to give up when he told aaron in the hospital that chas was a liability... when aaron said he needed his mum, that's when robert renewed his resolve to put the hit off and he went as far as to show his face to the hitman to give him the money and call the thing off
Do you believe if Chas still intended to tell chrissie Robert would have called of the hit regardless of whether Aaron needed her ?

So what if he didn't intend for the floor boards to collapse the fact of the matter is she died because she was going to tell chrissie about his affair and Robert got violent with her, a drink driver never means to kill anyone but they are completely responsible for the death of their victim due to their selfish cowardly actions.

So the fact that Robert was taking off his jacket to help paddy makes it forgivable that he left him choking to death in grain, the military do something similar called water boarding where they choke you near death and pull you out to make you comply to their will. It is seen as horrific there but Aaron can turn a blind eye to the man who does that to his "father ". All because he doesn't want to loose his life of luxury....what a great kid to have.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:52
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as i said, it is soap lolz

just explaining why aaron will still love and forgive rob in the context of "continuing drama" with thursday double bills to fill up week in and week out
But hiding behind unbelivable scenes and farcical writing with the line it's only a soap means the cast of the show have to stop being precious when the show isn't taken seriously as a credible drama.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:55
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as i said, it is soap lolz

just explaining why aaron will still love and forgive rob in the context of "continuing drama" with thursday double bills to fill up week in and week out
I know.

And i'm just explaining why the relationship is to many viewers offensive and dangerous. You can't pick and choose when storylines can be put down to "it doesn't matter, it's just a soap". It was also "just a soap" when it dealt with child abuse and cot death.
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:07
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Do you believe if Chas still intended to tell chrissie Robert would have called of the hit regardless of whether Aaron needed her ?
unfortunately we'll never know for sure... but why not? when he saw aaron later that day, it was aaron's face and words that mobilised him



So what if he didn't intend for the floor boards to collapse the fact of the matter is she died because she was going to tell chrissie about his affair and Robert got violent with her, a drink driver never means to kill anyone but they are completely responsible for the death of their victim due to their selfish cowardly actions.
fact is aaron believes robert that he didn't intend to kill katie...



So the fact that Robert was taking off his jacket to help paddy makes it forgivable that he left him choking to death in grain, the military do something similar called water boarding where they choke you near death and pull you out to make you comply to their will. It is seen as horrific there but Aaron can turn a blind eye to the man who does that to his "father ". All because he doesn't want to loose his life of luxury....what a great kid to have.

if you recall, aaron didn't forgive robert right there and then... there were still twists and turns
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:13
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I know.

And i'm just explaining why the relationship is to many viewers offensive and dangerous. You can't pick and choose when storylines can be put down to "it doesn't matter, it's just a soap". It was also "just a soap" when it dealt with child abuse and cot death.
that's why we can't pick and choose scenes... we see the whole picture... what is this SL all about? is it about two people who shouldn't be together but have this great bond they can't deny? does love conquer all the bad things we did to each other? can robert be redeemed? can he finally realise it's not the wealth and luxury he craves that really matter but ermmm lurve?
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:15
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it was robert being gobby robert, scaring paddy to keep his trap shut.. no strong reason to believe he'll follow it through-- and he didn't
Ok, we get it you love "Robron"
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:17
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yes, he didn't intend to kill katie

he didn't know the floor was rot when he pushed her

he didn't intend for her to plunge three floors down to her death





in his defence, he was drunk when he got the brilliant to turn on the grains auger...

but he did come back to help paddy out... why else would he take off his jacket if not to go down there to help him...

but he was stopped from helping paddy by andy's arrival







yes he tried to call it off but his contact can't be ermmm contacted... he tried and tried and tried but he can't contact him to call the thing off... and he eventually gave up, telling himself--saying-- veiled-- to chrissie-- that he tried his best...

he even tried to justify his decision to give up when he told aaron in the hospital that chas was a liability... when aaron said he needed his mum, that's when robert renewed his resolve to put the hit off and he went as far as to show his face to the hitman to give him the money and call the thing off
Plenty of people get drunk, Im not sure many of them try to bury people alive though
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:17
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Ok, we get it you love "Robron"

errr... what gave me away?
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:18
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that's why we can't pick and choose scenes... we see the whole picture... what is this SL all about? is it about two people who shouldn't be together but have this great bond they can't deny? does love conquer all the bad things we did to each other? can robert be redeemed? can he finally realise it's not the wealth and luxury he craves that really matter but ermmm lurve?
No it doesn't.

This is something that domestic violence victims believe. It's why they go back to their abuser time and time again.

And in Aaron, ED are showing a victim of abuse being attracted to an abusive partner. That portrayal of the complete distortion of what a healthy relationship should be, cannot be dismissed as being in "just a soap".

It really is quite repugnant, in my view.
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:20
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Plenty of people get drunk, Im not sure many of them try to bury people alive though

lolz... they haven't been guzzling from a bottle next to a grains pit i suppose
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:23
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lolz... they haven't been guzzling from a bottle next to a grains pit i suppose
I'm not trying to slate Robert, I think he is a great character. Robert and Ross are the 2 best villains on the show but I just don't like Aaron and Robert together. I just don't see what the hype is about them.

Is it purely because they're 2 decent looking blokes?
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:30
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No it doesn't.

This is something that domestic violence victims believe. It's why they go back to their abuser time and time again.

And in Aaron, ED are showing a victim of abuse being attracted to an abusive partner. That portrayal of the complete distortion of what a healthy relationship should be, cannot be dismissed as being in "just a soap".

It really is quite repugnant, in my view.

except (in my view) it isn't a story of abuse

it's about an out gay man who fell for a closeted bi who can't come clean about their relationship

an ambitious bi who married for money and when everything he worked for was within his grasp, fell in love with the ermmm cute mechanic and was torn by these two great drives (love vs money)
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:35
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except (in my view) it isn't a story of abuse

it's about an out gay man who fell for a closeted bi who can't come clean about their relationship

an ambitious bi who married for money and when everything he worked for was within his grasp, fell in love with the ermmm cute mechanic and was torn by these two great drives (love vs money)
So just ignore the violence involved....

How romantic.
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Old 16-09-2016, 12:35
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I'm not trying to slate Robert, I think he is a great character. Robert and Ross are the 2 best villains on the show but I just don't like Aaron and Robert together. I just don't see what the hype is about them.

Is it purely because they're 2 decent looking blokes?

some see it as a great love story believe me, ED didn't pander to us 80% of the time-- they dragged us through the ground that's why coming out of it now ( the trials and tribulations) was so satisfying and felt like a great triumph
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