I know it was a while back but that all seemed get swept under the carpet a bit didn't it?
Has Patrick recovered from his stroke and is Denise not his struggling carer anymore?
Originally Posted by summer_ste:
“I know it was a while back but that all seemed get swept under the carpet a bit didn't it?”
“I know it was a while back but that all seemed get swept under the carpet a bit didn't it?”
Yes, if you want to get over an otherwise chronic illness, go live in soapland. They have a magic formula there. No one ever claims disability benefits in that mystical world-in reality, they get killed off by the system. Or live in an anonymous hell, loathed by the tax-paying 'deserving' fingerpointers.
Originally Posted by summer_ste:
“I know it was a while back but that all seemed get swept under the carpet a bit didn't it?”
“I know it was a while back but that all seemed get swept under the carpet a bit didn't it?”
What the fact it took well over two years for him to now be appearimg almost but not quite as he was before. Not sure if he is still using or has just recently stopped using the walking stick. Took him a long time to get to that level as was on a wheelchair. His speech is not completely as it was
One of the most realistic things EE has done but they have done it and not made it a huge storyline just shown as time goes on the improvements to Patrick physically and with his speech without actually referencing each milestone.
Denise is manager of the minute mart again.
The franchise/shop she owns that the scriptwriters forgot about
With Patrick they actually never did the miracle recovery, they let it play out for a while. However they never touched on Denise hitting Patrick they seemed to brush that under the carpet.
Patrick is fully recovered now, up and dancing. They show a beginning, middle and end to all storylines - how come we didn't see Patrick getting a clean bill of health? Denise went to work in the shop because she was broke, no mention of her stopping caring for him, suddenly he was just left to his own devices and then he was well. Now he'd dancing and romancing.
Denise was on Carer's Allowance. She said it wasn't enough for them to manage so she did mention benefits. It was going down the route of it all being too much and her lashing out then just stopped. It would have been a brave move to show the struggles of a carer who can't afford the bills and is under loads of pressure. Anthony offered her money although I don't remember what happened with that - if she refused it. He should have paid for a nurse for his Dad. There's been another news story this week with a carer killing her autistic child. Why not show the isolation, money worries, pressure, lack of sleep, pushing for services that never appear, exhaustion, misery etc. that Carers may face? More so for carers of adults as those with children get extra tax credits, DLA, no benefit cap and access to funding from charities if they are reliant on the state. Once the child becomes an adult or the carer is looking after an adult the support and financial help drops off. I've known people managing well with disabled kids because they are well supported financially then being hit hard after the transition to adult services and those tax credits stop. It's not a cushy life and Denise struggled.
Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“Denise was on Carer's Allowance. She said it wasn't enough for them to manage so she did mention benefits. It was going down the route of it all being too much and her lashing out then just stopped. It would have been a brave move to show the struggles of a carer who can't afford the bills and is under loads of pressure. Anthony offered her money although I don't remember what happened with that - if she refused it. He should have paid for a nurse for his Dad. There's been another news story this week with a carer killing her autistic child. Why not show the isolation, money worries, pressure, lack of sleep, pushing for services that never appear, exhaustion, misery etc. that Carers may face? More so for carers of adults as those with children get extra tax credits, DLA, no benefit cap and access to funding from charities if they are reliant on the state. Once the child becomes an adult or the carer is looking after an adult the support and financial help drops off. I've known people managing well with disabled kids because they are well supported financially then being hit hard after the transition to adult services and those tax credits stop. It's not a cushy life and Denise struggled.”
“Denise was on Carer's Allowance. She said it wasn't enough for them to manage so she did mention benefits. It was going down the route of it all being too much and her lashing out then just stopped. It would have been a brave move to show the struggles of a carer who can't afford the bills and is under loads of pressure. Anthony offered her money although I don't remember what happened with that - if she refused it. He should have paid for a nurse for his Dad. There's been another news story this week with a carer killing her autistic child. Why not show the isolation, money worries, pressure, lack of sleep, pushing for services that never appear, exhaustion, misery etc. that Carers may face? More so for carers of adults as those with children get extra tax credits, DLA, no benefit cap and access to funding from charities if they are reliant on the state. Once the child becomes an adult or the carer is looking after an adult the support and financial help drops off. I've known people managing well with disabled kids because they are well supported financially then being hit hard after the transition to adult services and those tax credits stop. It's not a cushy life and Denise struggled.”
As someone who was a full-time carer for two years, this is very true. Carers Allowance doesn't pay well at all, and the person you look after there is the worries of their health and the dreaded brown enevlopes with the ESA assessment. Luckily my ex partner didn't have to be assessed as everything was on the form and the evidence from the specialists was enough.
The worse is, after death. Because we were not married, I had no help at all.
Originally Posted by Les Corker:
“Is it even possible to make a 100 per cent full recovery from a stroke”
“Is it even possible to make a 100 per cent full recovery from a stroke”
yes it is, they have different levels of severity. you can have a stroke and be just as you were before almost immediately afterwards or you can end up never recovering or you can end up somewhere on the scale in between the two
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“As someone who was a full-time carer for two years, this is very true. Carers Allowance doesn't pay well at all, and the person you look after there is the worries of their health and the dreaded brown enevlopes with the ESA assessment. Luckily my ex partner didn't have to be assessed as everything was on the form and the evidence from the specialists was enough.
The worse is, after death. Because we were not married, I had no help at all.”
“As someone who was a full-time carer for two years, this is very true. Carers Allowance doesn't pay well at all, and the person you look after there is the worries of their health and the dreaded brown enevlopes with the ESA assessment. Luckily my ex partner didn't have to be assessed as everything was on the form and the evidence from the specialists was enough.
The worse is, after death. Because we were not married, I had no help at all.”
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“yes it is, they have different levels of severity. you can have a stroke and be just as you were before almost immediately afterwards or you can end up never recovering or you can end up somewhere on the scale in between the two”
“yes it is, they have different levels of severity. you can have a stroke and be just as you were before almost immediately afterwards or you can end up never recovering or you can end up somewhere on the scale in between the two”
It is possible to make a complete recovery over a period of time but given the severity of Patrick's stroke, his age and slow progress it would be highly unlikely. I was very impressed that EE had a character that had the long term effects of a stroke which they did show for a prolonged period but then it was as if they got bored and suddenly his speech and movement returned to full function and none of his family have mentioned his miraculous recovery!
The problem with Patrick after his stroke was that he made no effort to help himself. He was refusing to do his physio,spending money they hadn't got on gambling and showed no consideration for Denise. He was selfish and demanding, running her ragged. The bruises on his forearms were from her tugging roughly on his arms (dressing him and moving him) through sheer frustration. When Kim returned he admitted that it was as much his fault and from then on started to make a real effort. It's been a slow process but with hard work and sheer determination he's probably 90% there. Of course it helps that he was a very fit man before the stroke.
Patrick's stroke recovery went on for a bit but it was no way realistic, my Dad had a stroke in January 2007, so coming up to 10 years ago and he is still recovering from it, well in reality he is probably as well as he is ever going to get and he still has terrible mood swings and Personality changes, his memory is failing,(Possibly from the early stages of Dementia.) his left hand shakes and he has little control of it, he can't feel the difference between hot and cold water when having a bath and there are so many other problems he suffers from due to his stroke.
It is unrealistic that Patrick is pretty much back to normal so quickly if at all, as an older person in his 70's the recovery would be that much harder due to his age, my Dad was 52 when he suffered his stroke and he hasn't recovered, i know each individual case is different but if soaps want to do these stories they should show the impact it has on the survivors and there families realistically.
It is unrealistic that Patrick is pretty much back to normal so quickly if at all, as an older person in his 70's the recovery would be that much harder due to his age, my Dad was 52 when he suffered his stroke and he hasn't recovered, i know each individual case is different but if soaps want to do these stories they should show the impact it has on the survivors and there families realistically.
Was Rudolph Walker taking time out to do other things at around the same time, as I seem to recall him making appearances on other programmes(cant remember which ones!), which he wouldnt normally do?
Was Patrick regulary on screen during this period?
Was Patrick regulary on screen during this period?
Originally Posted by Fergie86:
“Patrick's stroke recovery went on for a bit but it was no way realistic, my Dad had a stroke in January 2007, so coming up to 10 years ago and he is still recovering from it, well in reality he is probably as well as he is ever going to get and he still has terrible mood swings and Personality changes, his memory is failing,(Possibly from the early stages of Dementia.) his left hand shakes and he has little control of it, he can't feel the difference between hot and cold water when having a bath and there are so many other problems he suffers from due to his stroke.
It is unrealistic that Patrick is pretty much back to normal so quickly if at all, as an older person in his 70's the recovery would be that much harder due to his age, my Dad was 52 when he suffered his stroke and he hasn't recovered, i know each individual case is different but if soaps want to do these stories they should show the impact it has on the survivors and there families realistically.”
“Patrick's stroke recovery went on for a bit but it was no way realistic, my Dad had a stroke in January 2007, so coming up to 10 years ago and he is still recovering from it, well in reality he is probably as well as he is ever going to get and he still has terrible mood swings and Personality changes, his memory is failing,(Possibly from the early stages of Dementia.) his left hand shakes and he has little control of it, he can't feel the difference between hot and cold water when having a bath and there are so many other problems he suffers from due to his stroke.
It is unrealistic that Patrick is pretty much back to normal so quickly if at all, as an older person in his 70's the recovery would be that much harder due to his age, my Dad was 52 when he suffered his stroke and he hasn't recovered, i know each individual case is different but if soaps want to do these stories they should show the impact it has on the survivors and there families realistically.”
I agree. I had a stroke at the age of 49 a long time ago, & I still struggle with some of the side effects. I have made a good recovery, & most people who meet me for the first time do not realize I had a stroke. I think older people have a harder time getting back to normal, which is why Patrick's recovery does not ring true. Yes, some people can make a full recovery, but that is normally only when it has been a minor stroke.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“With Patrick they actually never did the miracle recovery, they let it play out for a while. However they never touched on Denise hitting Patrick they seemed to brush that under the carpet.”
“With Patrick they actually never did the miracle recovery, they let it play out for a while. However they never touched on Denise hitting Patrick they seemed to brush that under the carpet.”
Yes and Denise's drinking seems to have been swept under the carpet particularly now she is pregnant. She was rat arsed the night she conceived and goodness knows how many sessions she has had subsequently but seemingly alcohol is no longer an issue so isn't being mentioned.
Regarding Patrick's recovery though it is now years since the stroke the point is that it is as if it never happened the way he has totally recovered. In my experience stroke recovery doesn't happen like that. He would still have issues like extreme tiredness but he's off dancing the night away and after new sexual partners
Patrick's recovery has taken two full years - he had his stroke in August 2014 and its only now that he appears to be back to full health. Its a rare example of a soap character not miraculously recovering from an illness in record time.
Not everybody who has a stroke never recovers from it. I know someone who suffered a massive stroke he was left paralysed and unable to speak at first just like Patrick and he has gone on to make a full recovery.
Yes some people sadly never recover but others do. I'd rather see Patrick back to his old self laughing, joking and dancing than watch him remain ill and a shadow of his former self. The show is bleak and depressing enough without that.
Not everybody who has a stroke never recovers from it. I know someone who suffered a massive stroke he was left paralysed and unable to speak at first just like Patrick and he has gone on to make a full recovery.
Yes some people sadly never recover but others do. I'd rather see Patrick back to his old self laughing, joking and dancing than watch him remain ill and a shadow of his former self. The show is bleak and depressing enough without that.
