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Old 11-09-2016, 21:58
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Pardon? Are you implying i'm giving legal advice? To whom exactly? Who is my client?

Making a general comment as to whether something might be considered a crime in the eyes of the Law is hardly the same thing. Would somebody stating that Clayton broke the Law when he stabbed Kylie be considered dispensing legal advice?

How do you know what forum members qualifications or professions are by they way? You know nothing about people in their 'real' life.

As it happens, I did study Law when I was younger but stopped before fully qualifying and changed career. Therefore i would never give out advice, as you allege, but i do know more than many people, at least of how the Law stood in the late 80s/early 90s. I also have a number of friends who are Solicitors/Barristers - including in Criminal Law.
For legal purposes where I live you would have to say when Clayton allegedly stabbed Kylie or you would be breaking the law. It could land you in a law suit. Don't you just love a nation of litigation. It must be different where you live hopefully. There are shyster lawyers here so mercenary and good at what they do the ambulances chase them.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:02
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It could well be. The content is dubious. I've never eaten one.
I'm not anti eating meat, just anti food poisoning.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:17
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For legal purposes where I live you would have to say when Clayton allegedly stabbed Kylie or you would be breaking the law. It could land you in a law suit. Don't you just love a nation of litigation. It must be different where you live hopefully. There are shyster lawyers here so mercenary and good at what they do the ambulances chase them.
Am I right in thinking that you're American? Yes, I know all about Ambulance Chasing Lawyers, and we're going that way in the UK too.

Anybody posing as a lawyer, dispensing advice to a Client and receiving payment would be breaking the law here as well. But that is very different to making a general comment on a Forum like this. The Opening Poster asked if the scene was violent, a few of us saying that it would fall within the parameters of certain offences really isn't dispensing legal advice as they aren't going to use it as a defence for a real situation, and no payment has been made.

We are discussing a fictional scene. That makes a huge difference.

Just possibly, it would be different if it were a real situation like a celebrity altercation. But then, if there was an ongoing Police investigation, or charges had been brought, any discussion would be problematical as it would be Sub Judice and could be Contempt of Court.

ETA. Yes, allegedly has to be used when talking publicly here as well until a conviction has been reached - at least once a warrant for arrest has been issued.

However, i didn't use that as we actually saw it happen on screen, i was therefore treating it as though it were a private, rather than public conversation between people that actually witnessed the attack.

And again, it's a fictional situation - if it were real people, i wouldn't be discussing it publicly at all, or with another witness come to that as it could lead to a mistrial.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:32
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Violence? LOL me and my family cheered when David cut her hair and she deserved everything she got.

Remember a few months ago she threatened to cut Bethany's hair? That was kharma.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:51
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Am I right in thinking that you're American? Yes, I know all about Ambulance Chasing Lawyers, and we're going that way in the UK too.

Anybody posing as a lawyer, dispensing advice to a Client and receiving payment would be breaking the law here as well. But that is very different to making a general comment on a Forum like this. The Opening Poster asked if the scene was violent, a few of us saying that it would fall within the parameters of certain offences really isn't dispensing legal advice as they aren't going to use it as a defence for a real situation, and no payment has been made.

We are discussing a fictional scene. That makes a huge difference.

Just possibly, it would be different if it were a real situation like a celebrity altercation. But then, if there was an ongoing Police investigation, or charges had been brought, any discussion would be problematical as it would be Sub Judice and could be Contempt of Court.

ETA. Yes, allegedly has to be used when talking publicly here as well until a conviction has been reached - at least once a warrant for arrest has been issued.

However, i didn't use that as we actually saw it happen on screen, i was therefore treating it as though it were a private, rather than public conversation between people that actually witnessed the attack.

And again, it's a fictional situation - if it were real people, i wouldn't be discussing it publicly at all, or with another witness come to that as it could lead to a mistrial.
Thank you for your informative reply. Sorry to hear the ambulance chasers are arriving, but I do laugh sometimes when they beat the ambulances to the hospital and have you signing paperwork as your being wheeled in on the gurney. The fact that you don't know what century you're in makes no difference. You are now legally represented. I have been in five class action lawsuits. Three have been settled and I have yet to see a dime. The lawyers have. I'm not too hopeful with the two remaining. I wish you luck with your shysters.
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Old 11-09-2016, 23:05
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Violence - was it bollocks. See more violence than that in a hamster cage. Jesus Christ no wonder ITV keep issuing warnings of this and warnings of that before their programs, they must think people have a daintier consistency than a butterfly's wings. Just out of interest, what did these people used to do back when there was no namby pamby announcer instructing them to cover their delicate little ears? 'Cowwie fwightened me' f***'s sakes how old are you, 5?
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Old 11-09-2016, 23:24
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Violence - was it bollocks. See more violence than that in a hamster cage. Jesus Christ no wonder ITV keep issuing warnings of this and warnings of that before their programs, they must think people have a daintier consistency than a butterfly's wings. Just out of interest, what did these people used to do back when there was no namby pamby announcer instructing them to cover their delicate little ears? 'Cowwie fwightened me' f***'s sakes how old are you, 5?
How dare you shock my sensibility's like that. If I ever find out where you live I'll sue you back to the stone age for the mental stress you've caused.
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Old 11-09-2016, 23:25
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They're just covering their backs Collie against those people (and let's face it, they do exist) that will complain to Ofcom that they were "watching with my children who got scared and it is pre watershed when it should be okay for children to watch".

Even if the scene was violent (which it wasn't really, i was just saying that technically, it could be considered Assault but then so can any physical contact which hasn't been explicitly consented to), Corrie can argue that a warning was given and those watching with sensitive children should have switched off, making OFCOM less likely to find against them.
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Old 11-09-2016, 23:34
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Lauren was extremely tactless and unwise to refer to Bethany's aunt being murdered when David was her husband. So, she kinda brought this on herself really.
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:06
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They're just covering their backs Collie against those people (and let's face it, they do exist) that will complain to Ofcom that they were "watching with my children who got scared and it is pre watershed when it should be okay for children to watch".

Even if the scene was violent (which it wasn't really, i was just saying that technically, it could be considered Assault but then so can any physical contact which hasn't been explicitly consented to), Corrie can argue that a warning was given and those watching with sensitive children should have switched off, making OFCOM less likely to find against them.
The only parents who would complain are those of bullies.

My nephew is currently having trouble in school with bullies and he loved the scene where David cut Lauren's hair and it showed him that bullies are vulnerable cowards when the tables are turned.
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:25
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Personally, I think the only parents that would ever come out with the "my children were watching and got upset" or "my children were watching and i don't want to have to explain violence, rape, homosexuality etc, etc" are the ones that expect everybody else to parent their children for them and either want to keep them infanticised well into their teens or don't want to have any difficult or awkward conversations with them.

Frankly if they are that young, they should be in bed, or at least preparing for bed (bath, reading etc) by the time Corrie is on anyway, especially if they've got School the next day.

I was bullied at School as it happens, so most definately think that Lauren had it coming, but also that kind of person would go running to their Parents or the Police if the tables were turned on them, and as David is an adult and she is still only 16 so not fully an adult, the Police would have to take any complaint seriously.

ETA # Scorpio2 - I'm sorry to hear about your nephew. I hope he is getting all the support he needs - it is never an easy situation to resolve - sadly adult intervention can often make it worse, at least in the short term.

I absolutely hated going to School for a good 2 years because of it though I was considerably younger than Bethany - it was primary school and i don't know why it stopped but it just did get better as I aged and then i went up to secondary school and hardly anybody went to the same one as me so it was pretty much a clean slate and I was okay from then.
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:59
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Lauren was extremely tactless and unwise to refer to Bethany's aunt being murdered when David was her husband. So, she kinda brought this on herself really.
Lauren is a nasty, lying little bully who deserved a damn site more than a 'haircut!!'

The fact her Mother is sticking up for her makes it all the more despicable!!

David showed remarkable restraint in the circumstances imo!!!
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:14
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Lamb?? That size?? It's more like a dirty great sheep so it's tough old mutton.
Iceland sell Done Kebab meat described here:

http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/babek...t-600g/p/58147

"Mechanically Separated" means stuff that you can't get off the bone with a knife and special machinery removes every scrap of gristle, tendons e.t.c. from the bones and that's included.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:26
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Personally, I think the only parents that would ever come out with the "my children were watching and got upset" or "my children were watching and i don't want to have to explain violence, rape, homosexuality etc, etc" are the ones that expect everybody else to parent their children for them and either want to keep them infanticised well into their teens or don't want to have any difficult or awkward conversations with them.

Frankly if they are that young, they should be in bed, or at least preparing for bed (bath, reading etc) by the time Corrie is on anyway, especially if they've got School the next day.

I was bullied at School as it happens, so most definately think that Lauren had it coming, but also that kind of person would go running to their Parents or the Police if the tables were turned on them, and as David is an adult and she is still only 16 so not fully an adult, the Police would have to take any complaint seriously.

ETA # Scorpio2 - I'm sorry to hear about your nephew. I hope he is getting all the support he needs - it is never an easy situation to resolve - sadly adult intervention can often make it worse, at least in the short term.

I absolutely hated going to School for a good 2 years because of it though I was considerably younger than Bethany - it was primary school and i don't know why it stopped but it just did get better as I aged and then i went up to secondary school and hardly anybody went to the same one as me so it was pretty much a clean slate and I was okay from then.
I once had a parent tell me it was my fault that their daughter was pregnant for the second time because I hadn't taught her enough about contraception in biology classes, when she and her husband both worked evenings and left the girl at home alone in the evenings with her boyfriend.Now that really is not taking responsibility for your child's actions - or even your own.

Unfortunately parents like Lauren's mother can see no wrong in their little darling. And this is a generalisation based on 25 years experience - fact: teenage girls can be complete bitches to other teenage girls and make their life a misery mentally, which tends not to be visible to others. Unlike boys who mainly have a physical fight that everyone can see.
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Old 12-09-2016, 11:39
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I once had a parent tell me it was my fault that their daughter was pregnant for the second time because I hadn't taught her enough about contraception in biology classes, when she and her husband both worked evenings and left the girl at home alone in the evenings with her boyfriend.Now that really is not taking responsibility for your child's actions - or even your own.

Unfortunately parents like Lauren's mother can see no wrong in their little darling. And this is a generalisation based on 25 years experience - fact: teenage girls can be complete bitches to other teenage girls and make their life a misery mentally, which tends not to be visible to others. Unlike boys who mainly have a physical fight that everyone can see.
That's exactly the type I was referring to - they'll blame teachers, their children's friends, television - anybody but themselves if their child takes a wrong turn - once they've finally been convinced that the little darling has done something wrong of course - generally, as with Lauren's Mum, they will insist that other people are lying about them.

I do realise this is a generalisation but I'm basing it on my experience and also anecdotal evidence from my Mother and her friends who were secondary school teachers over 35 years each as to what the parents of the trouble makers in their classes tended to be like at parent teacher evenings or if they had to be called into the School.
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