Who would you make Number 1?
How would you alter the chart / how the final chart is reached?
How would you alter the chart / how the final chart is reached?
If you could manipulate the singles chart for one week what would you do?
I would "lose" all the Spotify data for one week and have a sales only top 40, or maybe include the Apple Music streaming data.
It would be the best UK top 40 of 2016.
In fact, I'd maybe even consider adding YouTube views towards the chart. They do this on the US Billboard Hot 100 and America have had more #1 singles so far this year compared to the UK chart for the first time EVER!!!
It would be the best UK top 40 of 2016.
In fact, I'd maybe even consider adding YouTube views towards the chart. They do this on the US Billboard Hot 100 and America have had more #1 singles so far this year compared to the UK chart for the first time EVER!!!
That wouldnt go far enough Hitstatic, yes youd get a few more new entries but the sales chart is still pretty similiar to the chart with streaming added but it woudl be an improvement.
I would ban songs older than 26 weeks from the top 40 and only allow the highest charting song by an act to be counted, this would discourage featuring tracks. This will stop singles chart invasions from people like Beiber, Ed Sheeran and Adele..Also I would make the chart valued based if you pay 99p for a song it counts 2x more than a song that was a 59p track. If you bought a £3.99 download it would count as 4x a sale. All downloads of the 1st single of an album will count towards the singles chart and not towards preorders for the album , so rock and indie songs are no longer missing the top 40 as their fans preorder the album, any other free grats released before the album will count towards the single chart but as a 1/100th of a sale. All free tracks will be 1/100 sale.
As for streaming once you have streamed a song more than 100 times (1 true sale) your streams will no longer count towards the single chart. I personally have never streamed one song that much but there are reports of indiviuduals streaming the same song over 2000 times!!!
I would ban songs older than 26 weeks from the top 40 and only allow the highest charting song by an act to be counted, this would discourage featuring tracks. This will stop singles chart invasions from people like Beiber, Ed Sheeran and Adele..Also I would make the chart valued based if you pay 99p for a song it counts 2x more than a song that was a 59p track. If you bought a £3.99 download it would count as 4x a sale. All downloads of the 1st single of an album will count towards the singles chart and not towards preorders for the album , so rock and indie songs are no longer missing the top 40 as their fans preorder the album, any other free grats released before the album will count towards the single chart but as a 1/100th of a sale. All free tracks will be 1/100 sale.
As for streaming once you have streamed a song more than 100 times (1 true sale) your streams will no longer count towards the single chart. I personally have never streamed one song that much but there are reports of indiviuduals streaming the same song over 2000 times!!!
Originally Posted by Thorney:
“As for streaming once you have streamed a song more than 100 times (1 true sale) your streams will no longer count towards the single chart. I personally have never streamed one song that much but there are reports of indiviuduals streaming the same song over 2000 times!!!”
“As for streaming once you have streamed a song more than 100 times (1 true sale) your streams will no longer count towards the single chart. I personally have never streamed one song that much but there are reports of indiviuduals streaming the same song over 2000 times!!!”
What has intrigued me the most about streaming "sales" is summed up below:
12/09/2015 Justin Bieber What Do You Mean? 1 {1}-2-1-1-2-1-1-5-[7]-6-7-5-4-4-6-5-5-4-[3]-4-4-8
Two key weeks in the above chart run. When What Do You Mean? was at #7 in its 9th week on the chart, it looked like the song was starting to fade and drop out of the top 10 within a couple of weeks.
Fast forward to its 19th week on the chart and it was back up to #3.
How did this happen when its iTunes sales had tailed off significantly by this point. We know it was all down to streaming but was there a sudden surge in people joining Spotify in those weeks between What Do You Mean? being #7 and then being #3 ten weeks later.
Something didn't seem right about this. I agree 100% they need a cap on the number of plays that contribute towards the chart. Otherwise if the number of people in the UK using Spotify doubles again in the next three months, we'll probably see even more stagnation in the UK chart as all new users will just be streaming the same songs as everybody else for the most part. So Bryan Adams UK chart record of 16 weeks at #1 will definitely get broken as the turnover of new #1s on the streaming chart become less and less.
If things don't change, 2017 could potentially be the year with the fewest UK #1 singles beating the previous record set in 2016 (the way it's going, it will happen as The Chainsmokers could be #1 until November the way their streaming/sales is going).
I would ban the singles chart for a month....or maybe longer.
I would then bring it back as a series of charts (end this 'official' chart thing) produced by separate polling companies rather like opinion polls. Some of these polls would be based on streaming, some on physical sales, some on downloads, some on radio plays and then take a poll of polls for the main chart.
I would then bring it back as a series of charts (end this 'official' chart thing) produced by separate polling companies rather like opinion polls. Some of these polls would be based on streaming, some on physical sales, some on downloads, some on radio plays and then take a poll of polls for the main chart.
Not sure anyone would want a singles chart curated by me. Nobody bar myself wants to hear Greg James have to say "...and with Drake stuck firmly at no. 75, this week's top five is turning into a pitched battle between Terris and Electrasy..."
I would ban from the charts all acts off TV talent/reality shows as well as all American acts, anything that features a rapper and any song with a title in "textspeak".
Actually, sod it, I'd ban all acts under the age of 40 from the charts.
Actually, sod it, I'd ban all acts under the age of 40 from the charts.
Originally Posted by Hitstastic:
“What has intrigued me the most about streaming "sales" is summed up below:
12/09/2015 Justin Bieber What Do You Mean? 1 {1}-2-1-1-2-1-1-5-[7]-6-7-5-4-4-6-5-5-4-[3]-4-4-8
Two key weeks in the above chart run. When What Do You Mean? was at #7 in its 9th week on the chart, it looked like the song was starting to fade and drop out of the top 10 within a couple of weeks.
Fast forward to its 19th week on the chart and it was back up to #3.
How did this happen when its iTunes sales had tailed off significantly by this point. We know it was all down to streaming but was there a sudden surge in people joining Spotify in those weeks between What Do You Mean? being #7 and then being #3 ten weeks later.
Something didn't seem right about this. I agree 100% they need a cap on the number of plays that contribute towards the chart. Otherwise if the number of people in the UK using Spotify doubles again in the next three months, we'll probably see even more stagnation in the UK chart as all new users will just be streaming the same songs as everybody else for the most part. So Bryan Adams UK chart record of 16 weeks at #1 will definitely get broken as the turnover of new #1s on the streaming chart become less and less.
If things don't change, 2017 could potentially be the year with the fewest UK #1 singles beating the previous record set in 2016 (the way it's going, it will happen as The Chainsmokers could be #1 until November the way their streaming/sales is going).”
“What has intrigued me the most about streaming "sales" is summed up below:
12/09/2015 Justin Bieber What Do You Mean? 1 {1}-2-1-1-2-1-1-5-[7]-6-7-5-4-4-6-5-5-4-[3]-4-4-8
Two key weeks in the above chart run. When What Do You Mean? was at #7 in its 9th week on the chart, it looked like the song was starting to fade and drop out of the top 10 within a couple of weeks.
Fast forward to its 19th week on the chart and it was back up to #3.
How did this happen when its iTunes sales had tailed off significantly by this point. We know it was all down to streaming but was there a sudden surge in people joining Spotify in those weeks between What Do You Mean? being #7 and then being #3 ten weeks later.
Something didn't seem right about this. I agree 100% they need a cap on the number of plays that contribute towards the chart. Otherwise if the number of people in the UK using Spotify doubles again in the next three months, we'll probably see even more stagnation in the UK chart as all new users will just be streaming the same songs as everybody else for the most part. So Bryan Adams UK chart record of 16 weeks at #1 will definitely get broken as the turnover of new #1s on the streaming chart become less and less.
If things don't change, 2017 could potentially be the year with the fewest UK #1 singles beating the previous record set in 2016 (the way it's going, it will happen as The Chainsmokers could be #1 until November the way their streaming/sales is going).”
I think that if they used trending data for the charts that could freshen the singles chart up a bit?
Originally Posted by Nebworth90:
“Who would you make Number 1?
How would you alter the chart / how the final chart is reached?”
“Who would you make Number 1?
How would you alter the chart / how the final chart is reached?”
I would make it that airplay from the BBC National radio networks was included.
I'd wire up all stereos to a modem s whenever anyone listens to a cd or cassette each song is counted in the charts. joke - but that is basically what streaming is.
Could never see the point of singles charts. They might influence some, but I guess many people make their own choices as to what is popular with them.
Also ban any songs which use autotuned or electronically processed vocals. Give them a chart of their own – a manufactured rubbish chart, or something like that.
Originally Posted by Hitstastic:
“I would "lose" all the Spotify data for one week and have a sales only top 40, or maybe include the Apple Music streaming data.
It would be the best UK top 40 of 2016.
In fact, I'd maybe even consider adding YouTube views towards the chart. They do this on the US Billboard Hot 100 and America have had more #1 singles so far this year compared to the UK chart for the first time EVER!!!”
“I would "lose" all the Spotify data for one week and have a sales only top 40, or maybe include the Apple Music streaming data.
It would be the best UK top 40 of 2016.
In fact, I'd maybe even consider adding YouTube views towards the chart. They do this on the US Billboard Hot 100 and America have had more #1 singles so far this year compared to the UK chart for the first time EVER!!!
”
Including YouTube would make the chart far slower than Spotify does.
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Also ban any songs which use autotuned or electronically processed vocals. Give them a chart of their own – a manufactured rubbish chart, or something like that.”
“Also ban any songs which use autotuned or electronically processed vocals. Give them a chart of their own – a manufactured rubbish chart, or something like that.”
That would eliminate a lot of music from your chart. Electronic processing of all sorts of instruments and sounds has been around for decades. So why is it always limited to vocals for being 'manufactured?'
Originally Posted by AcerBen:
“Including YouTube would make the chart far slower than Spotify does.”
“Including YouTube would make the chart far slower than Spotify does.”
...but the US Billboard Hot 100 has been faster paced in 2016, and they started adding YouTube views back in 2013 (I remember the uproar as it co-incided with Harlem Shake debuting at #1 because of those millions of 30 second clips people were watching).
Or maybe the streaming ratio has changed in America as more people have registered their own account, so the streaming figures are proportionate?
If the UK charts could be similar to how the US charts have been this year, that would be a significant improvement, and no more:
#14 - non mover
#13 - non mover
#12 - non mover
#11 - non mover
#10 non mover
etc...
#3 non mover
#2 non mover
#1 NEW ENTRY...i mean, non mover
**ad nauseam**
Because a top 14 consisting of non movers for almost a month is worse than one song hogging the top spot for 15 weeks.
Well something has to be done and will be done, James Arthur is now #2 on iTunes but #29 combined and Kings Of Leon who are just outside the top 10 in Itunes arent even top 40 anymore. The weighting and ratios are wrong and mgvsmith idea modified would be a solution, why dont they just add the streaming chart and sales chart together so if a song is #2 on sales but #30 on streaming, it averages out at #16.
This would work great the other way so if a song is still doing well on streaming but sales have dropped of it will go down the chart faster than it does at the moment.
This would work great the other way so if a song is still doing well on streaming but sales have dropped of it will go down the chart faster than it does at the moment.
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“That would eliminate a lot of music from your chart. Electronic processing of all sorts of instruments and sounds has been around for decades. So why is it always limited to vocals for being 'manufactured?'”
“That would eliminate a lot of music from your chart. Electronic processing of all sorts of instruments and sounds has been around for decades. So why is it always limited to vocals for being 'manufactured?'”
I thought somebody might get pedantic about it. I don't mean simple enhancements such as echo or even double tracking, but this ridiculous trend for making singers sound like Stephen Hawking. It started out as an amusing novelty with that silly Cher song (possibly) but has now become a cancer on modern music production.
If I would have manipulated the singles chart for one week only I would get rid of Pop Songs and replace it with Alternative/Indie.
James Arthur top 10 - are UKIP voters buying his single? (he came out with homophobic comments)
I'd axe streaming, impose limits on how many weeks a song can stay in the charts and have a quality filter ie - songs had to meet a certain requirement and a live performance has to be submitted.
I'd axe streaming, impose limits on how many weeks a song can stay in the charts and have a quality filter ie - songs had to meet a certain requirement and a live performance has to be submitted.
My criteria would be quite simple...the artist/band must have produced, composed, arranged & performed the entire track with no outside influence from anyone else other than inspiration.
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“James Arthur top 10 - are UKIP voters buying his single? (he came out with homophobic comments)
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“James Arthur top 10 - are UKIP voters buying his single? (he came out with homophobic comments)
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So that should finish his career, many people have done a lot worse and been forgiven and he did apologise, Personally I think its the best song hes done but its still not what I would normally listen to.
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“James Arthur top 10 - are UKIP voters buying his single? (he came out with homophobic comments)
I'd axe streaming, impose limits on how many weeks a song can stay in the charts and have a quality filter ie - songs had to meet a certain requirement and a live performance has to be submitted.”
“James Arthur top 10 - are UKIP voters buying his single? (he came out with homophobic comments)
I'd axe streaming, impose limits on how many weeks a song can stay in the charts and have a quality filter ie - songs had to meet a certain requirement and a live performance has to be submitted.”
Ooh. Didn't realise UKIP supporters were all homophobic!
I think the change I'd make is ... a spotify stream, just 1 stream, equates to one sale. BUT only the one time. First time you listen to it equates to one sale, but every stream afterwards accounts for nothing.
Maybe there could be a loophole where if you don't listen to it for over 6 months it refreshes, so a new stream could count again. That way we can get the Christmas songs in the charts every December haha
