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Old 13-09-2016, 11:58
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Don't forget the obligatory "this is what happened before the break" recaps after each ad-break.
Indeed - Bake off is one of the few shows that does not do "coming up later" either.

The edit and pacing will have to be changed to fit the reduced running time.

Or they ditch one of the 3 challenges and just do 2 like other posters have said they do in other overseas versions shown on commercial channels.
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:05
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Indeed - Bake off is one of the few shows that does not do "coming up later" either.

The edit and pacing will have to be changed to fit the reduced running time.

Or they ditch one of the 3 challenges and just do 2 like other posters have said they do in other overseas versions shown on commercial channels.
As I've just said on the other thread, Good Food shows repeats of earlier series' in a 1hr slot, with adverts. They retain all the challenges.
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:06
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37349837


BBC 'fell £10m short' of keeping The Great British Bake Off
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:23
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As I've just said on the other thread, Good Food shows repeats of earlier series' in a 1hr slot, with adverts. They retain all the challenges.
So what do they cut out then ??
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:24
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And it also seems to be the case that the agreed price does not cover presenters or judges - these will have to be negotiated (and paid for) separately. They have paid for the format & production.
I don't know the precise details of the contract, obviously, but it could well be the case that it is within the production company's contract to secure and pay for talent and that the price does cover the cost of talent, just not the particular talent locked-in. I've no idea if that's the case, but it is at least plausible.

But I agree with your broader point. It seems like a staggering decision for C4 to take, especially as they are currently trying to prevent privatisation!!
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:24
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So what do they cut out then ??
I've never seen a full episode on the channel so I don't know.

But the likeliest candidate would be the food history bits.
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:44
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I've never seen a full episode on the channel so I don't know.

But the likeliest candidate would be the food history bits.
An article in The Guardian mentions this:

Some have suggested that ad-breaks at Channel 4 will ruin the experience. But the Bake Off format has already been adapted to many countries with commercial structures, and the BBC already uses little films about the histories of cakes and biscuits as internal breaks, which could be removed without much loss.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...bbc-got-burned

I bet those 'food history' bits are there to make it easy for the show to be sold to commercial channels abroad, where they can be cut out to make way for breaks.
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:50
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Great British Bake Off on BBC 1

full hour
no crappy channel logos
HD version on Iplayer

Great British Bake Off on C4
45 ish minutes +15 of adverts
crappy advertising all over the broadcast
poor SD quality on All4
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:12
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I find it hard to believe that Channel 4 would spend £25 million on the rights to a show without securing the talent as well.

As for the length of the show I'd imagine if a major sponsor came on board they could stretch it to 90 minutes or run it without breaks.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:17
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I find it hard to believe that Channel 4 would spend £25 million on the rights to a show without securing the talent as well.

As for the length of the show I'd imagine if a major sponsor came on board they could stretch it to 90 minutes or run it without breaks.
Apparently the BBC bought the Formula 1 rights without knowing how much it cost to cover the actual races.

Those costs had risen astronomically since they had previously owned the rights, resulting in the later "shared deal" with SKY.

If Channel 4 have done nothing about nailing down the "Talent" then they have really messed up.
I can imagine Mel and Sue's agent is already in talks with the BBC about them being "the New French and Saunders", sitcoms , quiz shows etc.

Mel Giedroyc hosted the Strictly Tour, so there is plenty they can offer them.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:25
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You are not comparing like for like, we are not talking about the Olympics, (as they to my knowledge have never been on Channel 4), we are talking about the Paralympics.

The coverage has dramatically improved since they went to Channel 4, you have events shown live for starters, and then you have a great associated programme like The Last Leg, neither of which the BBC did when they had the rights to the Paralympics.

So the Paralympics have most definitely improved since they went to Channel 4, so the point stands, about finding a programme that has made the switch and improved.
But if they were now on the BBC then I am sure they would be done to the same standards as their Olympic coverage and certainly better than Channel 4.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:27
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So you would have been happy for the BBC to have matched C4's £75 MILLION for three years?

That's an awful lot of money, especially when budgets are being squeezed and when the BBC is under considerable scrutiny.
And Channel 4 would probably have increased their bid.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:28
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Yep same here.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:31
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Personally i have never forgiven channel 4 with what they did to their show "Time Team"
Agreed, it was the only programme on Channel 4 that I ever watched regularly. I can now go weeks, or even months, without looking at Channel 4
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:33
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I enjoy seeing Paul Hollywood doing his shtick, but will only watch when there is nothing else on.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:34
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37349837


BBC 'fell £10m short' of keeping The Great British Bake Off
I suspect that if they had found another £10 million then Channel 4 would have just increased their bid.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:36
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An article in The Guardian mentions this:



https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...bbc-got-burned

I bet those 'food history' bits are there to make it easy for the show to be sold to commercial channels abroad, where they can be cut out to make way for breaks.
Someone commented in a previous thread that they do not have the filmed breaks in the first few programmes, they use them as the number of contestants drops and they need to fill up the time.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:37
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But if they were now on the BBC then I am sure they would be done to the same standards as their Olympic coverage and certainly better than Channel 4.
That may be true, but we can only go on what the point was initially, and that was has a programme improved since making the move from BBC to Channel 4, and the Paralympics have done just that, and they have vastly improved.

If they now moved back to the BBC who knows what sort of coverage they would get, as it is only guesswork to suggest at this stage.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:39
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Apparently the BBC bought the Formula 1 rights without knowing how much it cost to cover the actual races.

Those costs had risen astronomically since they had previously owned the rights, resulting in the later "shared deal" with SKY.

If Channel 4 have done nothing about nailing down the "Talent" then they have really messed up.
I can imagine Mel and Sue's agent is already in talks with the BBC about them being "the New French and Saunders", sitcoms , quiz shows etc.

Mel Giedroyc hosted the Strictly Tour, so there is plenty they can offer them.
I commented previously that if the two judges and two presenters stay quiet then I think we can presume there have secret talks about a deal with LOTS more money for them. Then once this series ends we will see them saying that they are going to Channel 4 for a whole list of spurious reasons.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:40
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I've never seen a full episode on the channel so I don't know.

But the likeliest candidate would be the food history bits.
An article in The Guardian mentions this:



https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...bbc-got-burned

I bet those 'food history' bits are there to make it easy for the show to be sold to commercial channels abroad, where they can be cut out to make way for breaks.


Not only are any food history sequences comparatively short, they don't appear in every programme.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:43
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I don't watch enough telly to have noticed, and apologies if already addressed, but is there a comparable situation where C4 have bought the rights to a show broadly similar to BO (in format, not necessarily cooking oriented) and fundamentally changed the nature of it in the way people seem certain they will here? I'm not just talking about ads, they're a given, I'm talking about changing things so that it may as well be a brand new show (and if they had any desire to do that, they could have made an original show for a damn sight less than they paid for BO)?

I seem to be in the minority who think C4 aren't actually stupid and won't mess it with to any greater extent than having ad breaks. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to extend the running time to 75 or 90 minutes. Considering the challenges themselves clock in at around +/- 10 hours, it's not as if it'll need padding, and if they can schedule it without impacting an existing highly rated show, I can't see anyone complaining, least of all the fans. The mass audience is there. C4 know it. LP know it. The advertisers know it. It'd be kamikaze for C4 and/ or LP to screw with a winning format, and despite their earlier protestations, I fully expect the four 'talents' to move with it when they see how many noughts are on the contract.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:59
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Maybe Channel 4 could air it between 8pm and 9.30 say.

Then have an Extra Slice type programme following until 10pm

If they are doing a Celebrity Version next year, Maybe it might be something tied in with Stand Up to Cancer
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Old 13-09-2016, 14:01
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Mel Giedroyc hosted the Strictly Tour, so there is plenty they can offer them.
It Takes Two comes to mind, if Zoe Ball dropped out.

Heck Mel and Sue could do The One Show together. I wonder if they could do some kind of lottery format, take the quiz element out, or at least take the generic quiz show element out, and build it around Mel and Sue.
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Old 13-09-2016, 14:03
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Not only are any food history sequences comparatively short, they don't appear in every programme.
Well Good Food and international broadcasters clearly find some way of getting the time down.

The fact is that the show can be broadcast in a 1hr slot with adverts, without reducing the number of challenges - contrary to what was suggested.
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Old 13-09-2016, 14:15
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Look on the bright side, there are still six episodes in this series and two Christmas specials
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