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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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vauxhall1964
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Antbox:
“Amongst who? 99% of viewers will be perfectly happy to just press the '4' button to watch GBBO instead of the '1' button, it'll make not one ounce of difference to them.”

you're deluded if you think 10 million will be switching to watch a C4 version of the show. The channel hasn't had a show pass 5 million all year. And a very significant chunk of the Bake Off fan base will desert the show without its 4 key names. It already has the stench of a rotting corpse about it.
Antbox
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“There is no 'Well it depends' if it will not make 'not one ounce of difference to 99% of viewers'”

You're quite right, let me amend that statement.

"It will make not one ounce of difference to 99% of viewers who make an active choice about what to watch on television, and who do not just leave their sets on BBC1 for most of the day."
Wong_Billabong
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/s...81122630377473

Jeremy Clarkson ‏@JeremyClarkson
Every single person commenting on the Bake Off story hasn't got a clue what they're talking about.
8:40 PM - 13 Sep 2016”

I assume he's insinuating that theres more to the channel move than just mone, i.e BBC politics
The Ambassador
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/s...81122630377473

Jeremy Clarkson ‏@JeremyClarkson
Every single person commenting on the Bake Off story hasn't got a clue what they're talking about.
8:40 PM - 13 Sep 2016”

Does that count as a comment?
Antbox
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Wong_Billabong:
“I assume he's insinuating that theres more to the channel move than just mone, i.e BBC politics”

It could certainly be seen as yet another BBC shooting-off-their-feet-to-look-hard-up manoeuvre. "Oh no! We can't afford 6 Music and BBC3 and Formula 1 and GBBO any more (please give generously)".

Remember that the BBC spends £1.3 BILLION pounds a year on BBC One alone. That's an incredible amount of money. If they wanted GBBO, they could keep it - and, after all, why would BBC One not want to keep the most popular show on British Television, unless it was some rather desperate and misguided cry for help?
CAMERA OBSCURA
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Antbox:
“You're quite right, let me amend that statement.

"It will make not one ounce of difference to 99% of viewers who make an active choice about what to watch on television, and who do not just leave their sets on BBC1 for most of the day."”


Blood from a stone.

So 99% of viewers, the ones that don't have the BBC on for most of the day, will tune into Bake Off on C4. So Bake Off on C4 (with new presenters and possibly new judges, and adverts and so on) will have 1% less viewers than it does now.

Really. Yes or no will do.
Jason C
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Wong_Billabong:
“I assume he's insinuating that theres more to the channel move than just mone, i.e BBC politics”

Well thank goodness he's able to offer a totally accurate reading of the situation from his entirely unbiased perspective.
wizzywick
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Wong_Billabong:
“I assume he's insinuating that theres more to the channel move than just mone, i.e BBC politics”

From someone who was happy working with and for the BBC until HE did something wrong and was sacked!
Antbox
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“Really. Yes or no will do.”

All other things being equal, yes.
Karis
13-09-2016
I still can't see why the BBC lost the show. Was it purely because they weren't prepared to pay X millions for it?

They paid, what 22 million for 2 years of the crappy Voice.
Straker
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“It already has the stench of a rotting corpse about it.”

Make that out of gingerbread and you have the Showstopper to end them all!
CAMERA OBSCURA
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Antbox:
“All other things being equal, yes. ”

Sometimes it's easier to just say you posted random nonsence for the sake of it than failing to be smart after.
A.D.P
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Karis:
“I still can't see why the BBC lost the show. Was it purely because they weren't prepared to pay X millions for it?

They paid, what 22 million for 2 years of the crappy Voice.”

But that's 11 million, if correct a year, for far more hours TV, GBBO is just 10 hours, at the current C4 cost it's far more than BGT or XF just ten hours!

ITV paid far far more for The Voice when ratings are falling, the BBC refused.

The BBC saved a net £55 million closing BBC3 as a channel, it can't then loose half of that on one show that is way overpriced, they had an extortion demand, and however good the show is, you do not pay blackmailers. C4 did agree without due diligence and will regret being sold a nice looking car, without looking under the bonnet to find the engine doesn't come with it.
Shaun_Jameson
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“But that's 11 million, if correct a year, for far more hours TV, GBBO is just 10 hours, at the current C4 cost it's far more than BGT or XF just ten hours!

ITV paid far far more for The Voice when ratings are falling, the BBC refused.

The BBC saved a net £55 million closing BBC3 as a channel, it can't then loose half of that on one show that is way overpriced, they had an extortion demand, and however good the show is, you do not pay blackmailers. C4 did agree without due diligence and will regret being sold a nice looking car, without looking under the bonnet to find the engine doesn't come with it.”

The kind of black mailers that threaten you with prison if you own a TV but don't watch their content? It's very strange, if I own a TV and don't watch sky live but do watch ITV live, sky do not threaten me with court.

If own a TV and do not watch the BBC but do watch ITV the BBC do threaten me with court. Preventing me heating my home to keep my family warm, or buy food to feed my children, All because we watched ITV as a family.
Steve9214
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“But that's 11 million, if correct a year, for far more hours TV, GBBO is just 10 hours, at the current C4 cost it's far more than BGT or XF just ten hours!

ITV paid far far more for The Voice when ratings are falling, the BBC refused.”

The ITV thing is interesting as ITV also own the format owners.
So they are effectvely paying themselves for their own format.

If the company that owned the format was - purely hypothetically - registered somewhere with lower tax than the UK, then ITV would be taking money that not been taxed yet, and legitmately moving it to somewhere where it attracted less tax in order to keep the "asking price" for The Voice format nice and high.

Win / Win situation as far as I can see
Steve9214
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Shaun_Jameson:
“The kind of black mailers that threaten you with prison if you own a TV but don't watch there content?”

The TV licence also pays for the broadcast transmitter network IIRC.

So you pay the licence fee to receive any signals.
Plus I think "PSB's" get a tiny bit of licence fee, just so you cannot argue that if you don't watch the BBC channels you don't have to pay for licence.
CAMERA OBSCURA
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Shaun_Jameson:
“The kind of black mailers that threaten you with prison if you own a TV but don't watch their content? It's very strange, if I own a TV and don't watch sky live but do watch ITV live, sky do not threaten me with court.

If own a TV and do not watch the BBC but do watch ITV the BBC do threaten me with court. Preventing me heating my home to keep my family warm, or buy food to feed my children, All because we watched ITV as a family.”


Yayyyyyy.
Antbox
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“The TV licence also pays for the broadcast transmitter network IIRC.

So you pay the licence fee to receive any signals.
Plus I think "PSB's" get a tiny bit of licence fee, just so you cannot argue that if you don't watch the BBC channels you don't have to pay for licence.”

The TVL only pays for the BBC transmitter network, not anyone else's. And no other PSBs receive money from the licence fee. (Apart from possibly S4C, depending on how you look at it.)
MARTYM8
13-09-2016
So all you have to do is press 4 or 104 instead of 1 or 101 to carry on watching.

It truly is the end of the world!
Jellied Eel
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“But that's 11 million, if correct a year, for far more hours TV, GBBO is just 10 hours, at the current C4 cost it's far more than BGT or XF just ten hours!”

The Bbc said..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37353262

In the end the BBC offered £500,000 an hour for 30 hours of programming, totalling £15m.

Seeing as there were a few Bake-off spin-offs. It's interesting as the Bbc's usually very coy about program costs.

Quote:
“The BBC saved a net £55 million closing BBC3 as a channel, it can't then loose half of that on one show that is way overpriced, they had an extortion demand, and however good the show is, you do not pay blackmailers.”

Which may or may not include the talent. There were rumblings earlier in the year that the 'stars' wanted more money.
Jellied Eel
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“Win / Win situation as far as I can see”

With smart accounts, it could also be made to 'lose' money.. which for tax reasons, can be very handy. See Apple, Google, Facebook etc etc for more info.
Ash_M1
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Shaun_Jameson:
“The kind of black mailers that threaten you with prison if you own a TV but don't watch their content? It's very strange, if I own a TV and don't watch sky live but do watch ITV live, sky do not threaten me with court.

If own a TV and do not watch the BBC but do watch ITV the BBC do threaten me with court. Preventing me heating my home to keep my family warm, or buy food to feed my children, All because we watched ITV as a family.”

What I resent is having to contribute to the commercial sector without choice every-time I go shopping. I look forward to your outrage on the matter.
eggchen
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“What I resent is having to contribute to the commercial sector without choice every-time I go shopping. I look forward to your outrage on the matter.”

Who is forcing you to buy what?
mike65
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Oh, wake up and smell what they're shovelling! BBC have LOST Bake Off. Doesn't matter what they think. C4 will have promised them a lot of money to pretend they've quit.”

okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. What magic bean are you quaffing?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...itish-bake-off

Quote:
“Perkins and Giedroyc said in a statement. “We made no secret of our desire for the show to remain where it was.”
The Great British Bake Off disaster: why the BBC got burned


Their decision to step down will be a huge blow to Channel 4, which agreed a £25m-a-year deal to broadcast the show. Perkins and Giedroyc’s chemistry and saucy, innuendo-laden presenting style are considered a key part of Bake Off’s popularity.

“The BBC nurtured the show from its infancy and helped give it its distinctive warmth and charm, growing it from an audience of 2 million to nearly 15 [million] at its peak,” the pair said. “We’ve had the most amazing time on Bake Off, and have loved seeing it rise and rise like a pair of yeasted Latvian baps. We’re not going with the dough. We wish all the future bakers every success.””


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Channel 4 have been stupid enough to buy a format but not the talent. It may not matter in the end but it probably will as now they need to find people who the public will take to while being temperamentally suited to the "nice middle England" nature of the content. If they change anything to make it more edgy and "channel 4" then they've not even bought a format - just a title.
eggchen
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“But that's 11 million, if correct a year, for far more hours TV, GBBO is just 10 hours, at the current C4 cost it's far more than BGT or XF just ten hours!

ITV paid far far more for The Voice when ratings are falling, the BBC refused.

The BBC saved a net £55 million closing BBC3 as a channel, it can't then loose half of that on one show that is way overpriced, they had an extortion demand, and however good the show is, you do not pay blackmailers. C4 did agree without due diligence and will regret being sold a nice looking car, without looking under the bonnet to find the engine doesn't come with it.”

How were the BBC blackmailed? They were just subject to a typical business offer that's all.

"We have the show that was No.1 for 2015, if you want the broadcast rights, the fee is now going to be £75m for the next three years"

"Thanks but no thanks, we can't afford it"

That's it. There is no "blackmail" involved, unless you think that business negotiations over a product in high demand is blackmail. What an odd outlook.
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