In " actual court" I agree, but that was not the point of my post!

Love Productions have not acted In a way a decent private sector company, should act, they have only considered short term profits over everything else.

Whilst companies are made up for profit that's true, there is nowadays " social responsibility " there is " reputation risk, if a business is all out for profits and doesn't consider its impact on people.

We see at Southern Rail where not working with employees and the public it fails.

Big companies such as " certain coffee companies" that make " " big Bucks" but do not pay U.K. taxes, or companies associated with the Internet who do not care for the people in the regions they work but transfer their profits to tax havens, get a lot of negativity from the public and reputation risk to the company.

Here Love Productions have exploited the BBC and refused an enhanced good offer and sold out to C4 for an excessive £25 million.

Love didn't consult its prized talent, hence they leave, and clearly as thry hoped into a taxi to C4 - and signed up in an hour, had had prior communication with C4 and discard the £ deal behind the BBC back, and clearly had board meetings prior on strategy.

This company must not have,
Reputational risk policy or training.
Social policy on giving back to the community where it works.

Companies who rip off the public with excessive profits are frowned on, and in the end, damage their image, and in this situation have killed the golden goose laying the golden egg, and created considerable negative comment.

Now " everyone" through social media and tabloid press knows Love Productions for very negative reasons, worse than estate agents or banks, and for the company that is bad news, the main commissioner for there work now will avoid them.

The business will go the way of other businesses that ripped off the public. Nothing wrong with making a decent profit, just do not go too far.

C4 didn't undertake due diligence on this deal, they didn't insist the people talent were tied in, they were too keen to sign up in an hour for a headline, and upset ten million viewers. The deal is outside there remit and will be a stick to best thrm with for privatisation, that's a massive own goal.

^^^There he goes again, bloody cut/paste in every thread. These threads are worse than the olympics ones.

Something which the BBC will be well aware of, having settled out of court (in favour of Love Productions) in relation to the considerable similarity between Love's GBBO format and the BBC's "Bake-off for hairdressers" 'Hair!' show.

According to some reports, the BBC and Love just had a terrible relationship as a result of clashes like that, and it may well be that losing GBBO wasn't about money at all, and more about Love deciding that the BBC were just not very nice people to deal with any more.

The rumoured figure of £25 million may well have been a 'get lost figure' * - i.e. a price tag that the vendor knows will be unacceptable, quoted just to make the buyer walk away. The assumption is that C4 paid that price or more - but they may well not have done so. Love supposedly have a good relationship with C4 and may well just prefer to work with them rather than Auntie.

(* - Sometimes other words replace 'get lost' but I'm choosing the polite ones, naturally.)

Must admit, I agree with others. Calm it down a bit buddy. Love Productions will face the consequences or reap the rewards in due course, what's done is done. Let's see how it pans out now. We have a long time to go. It's still on BBC One tonight!

just looking at the website for Love Productions (not alot of infomation on it) but it looks like they have the GBBO franchise to their name, and a few C4 docs, if there is any justice they will unoffically barred from future BBC programming, and forced to make a living off of C4 alone, and if GBBO fails, which it may well, its not got a whole lot to fall back on.

http://www.loveproductions.co.uk/programmes/2016

Why would you just bar a supplier simply because they had one product that you couldn't agree a price on so they took it elsewhere? It's the stuff of playgrounds, not what happens in the reality of business.

so you believe that Love Productions have acted in the best intersts of their best customer, you and me, the licence fee payer. If you honestly believe they have acted in your best interests they please say so.

Because it wasn't just Bake Off. Love Productions started to claim ownership for other shows commissioned by the BBC that had any resemblance or at least according to Love, to Bake Off. The BBC had to settle out of court because Love threatened legal action over Hair by saying they owned the format and then tried it again with the Great Painting Challenge. The BBC employed lawyers in the end to demonstrate how Bake Off is actually highly similar to the BBC's Masterchef and that it could be argued that Bake Off was therefore invented by the BBC in the first place. Love backed down but went into a sulk. Love Productions will be troublesome for any broadcaster if that broadcaster dares to commission a format that has no involvement from Love but Love feel that they've copied. The BBC can't afford to be in that situation.

Love Productions are a commercial business, so I expect them to act in their own and their shareholders' best interests first and foremost. They had a product to sell, and they have sold it to the party they felt gave them the better deal. That's all there is to it.

But the "product" they sold was not the product that BBC One has. BBC One has the Great British Bake Off with the popular presenters and familiarity. C4 have a version of a yet to be decided version of that product. Also, Love Productions said "It isn't about the money". If it isn't about the money, then it would have stayed with the BBC wouldn't it?

Is it outrageous? If I offered you a job at £30/hour, but the person next to me offered you the same job at £75/hour, and you had to pick one or the other, I wouldn't think you're outrageous going for the bigger amount.

It's sad that the BBC can't afford to keep shows like this, but that comes part and parcel with the practice of outsourcing productions to businesses that are, you know, businesses.

It would be irresponsible for Love Productions (for its staff and stakeholders) to undervalue their franchise to anything less than market value, which seems to have been over £25M a year anyway.

There is nothing particularly "sulky" about a company that tries to protect its intellectual copyright from being exploited if it feels that it has. Show me a company who says they wouldn't do the same and I'll show you a liar. The BBC had to settle out of court because their own lawyers will have advised them that they would likely lose a court battle.

Love need to make up their mind , if it wasn't about money then they would have stayed (as you say) and accepted the offer of a 200% increase by the BBC who helped them when starting out by commissioning many of their programmes instead of holding out for a 400% increase. If it wasn't about money then I think Love should say what it was about as the BBC helped their programme become a hit so it is odd, unless the new majority owners just didn't want it on the BBC and it suited their wider agenda for some reason.


Part and parcel of a system they have to comply with , as for what it is worth, I am not sure it was actually worth it I feel it was more to do with the majority shareholder . C4 have paid it but that does not mean it was actually worth it, people often pay over the odds and now with presenters not going with it and it being off air until 2018 what it is actually worth will remain to be seen at a later date.

Grow up mate... just because it doesn't suit you hoping that it fails is a bit strong isn't it, could have been worse could have gone behind a paywall...

If it was solely about the money they would have sold it to ITV who offered even more. But anyway, so what if it is? C4 have not yet come out and said that they have been sold a pup.

The Channel 4 version is probably not going to be drastically different. The new hosts will be chosen to maintain the same vibe as the BBC version.

I believe Love Productions said it's not just about the money. Other factors like scheduling priority, brand opportunities and auxiliary revenues would have been just as important. They turned down bigger offers from ITV and Netflix, so their actions have proven it's not just the money.

Dont worry the Auntie beeb will look after her and her "friend"

Anyone know how much Channel 4 pay ITV Studios for Come Dine With Me?

£20 for 15 series

If they have they are hardly likely to especially to a company whose main shareholder is majority owned by a man who they have outed on the news many a time and who wants them privatised.

Too much



and that is way above what its worth...

This logic doesn't work, because ITV produces Channel 4 News too, and they do the same all the time.

I speculate they didn't go with ITV because ITV would want their ITV Studios team involved, there wouldn't be as much scheduling opportunity, ITV2 would end up hosting a spinoff and Love Productions aren't here for that, and because ITV has an awful reputation of always trying to upstage its own shows with potential audience replacements.

Love Productions don't want ITV and ITV Studios to produce something like "The Great British BBQ" and schedule it in a slot that they could have done a run of GBBO in.

Not sure I agree. Come Dine With Me is sometimes very entertaining, and even when it's not, they get a lot of value out of it. It's the perfect slotfiller.

Plus the left overs