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They'll definitely have the name of the sponsor emblazoned across the top of their aprons.
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I'm not offended - I'm not the type of person who gets offended, just frustrated that some people can't grasp the facts as stated by those in the know, i.e. the channels and the production companies. I'm also averse to lying because it can have consequences, and if someone is prepared to lie about something trivial, they're usually willing to lie about something important (based on experience).
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Jo Brand was on The One Show tonight, they asked her about Bake Off. She would not comment, I thought it was for contractual reasons but she eventually claimed that no one has spoken to her about the move
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The BBC will carry one without bake off, Bake off will survive without the BBC.
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Very interesting. She wouldn't be right for it would she.
You would have thought someone would tell her one way or the other - just manners. |
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The BBC will carry one without bake off, Bake off will survive without the BBC.
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Yes, because you opened the door by directly talking about your perception of the production quality of the show. Your past statements suggest that you are not really in a position to judge that. Whereas Love Productions, being experienced television producers, are. So it's most likely that they know more about it than either you or I do.
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But she presents the weekly spin-off show, which Channel 4 are also supposed to be buying.
You would have thought someone would tell her one way or the other - just manners. |
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The BBC spend £1300 million a year on BBC One alone, every single year. If anyone tells you that they can't afford £25 million for the single biggest show on the channel - because after all BBC1 especially is not a charity and can be expected to pay market rates for commissioned material - then they're telling porkies.
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I'd rather have another series of Bake Off than more wall-to-wall shit like 'Claimed and Shamed', any day.
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Of course they could have afforded it. But they couldn't justify the expense; and the likes of the Daily Wail would have been on them like the proverbial about "wasting money on what is clearly a very commercial programme"
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Because it's only about what you want, right?
It really is that simple. |
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Well indeed mate, but given that 'The Four' were apparently not consulted about the proposed move, should we be surprised that perhaps Jo wasn't either?
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It doesn't cost that currently, because the BBC doesn't pay that much for it.
With a proper budget, you can expect to see a higher quality result on screen. The amount they wanted for the show was the sort of money that the BBC pays out for a full high profile costume drama (more than that in fact). If you think that 25 million a year for about 20 hours (or less) of TV with basically a single set is going to make a massive difference to the quality you're massively over estimating the cost of TV (which I guess is a change). And that 25 million doesn't even include the cost of the presenters. |
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LOL
The amount they wanted for the show was the sort of money that the BBC pays out for a full high profile costume drama (more than that in fact). Quote:
If you think that 25 million a year for about 20 hours (or less) of TV with basically a single set is going to make a massive difference to the quality you're massively over estimating the cost of TV (which I guess is a change).
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The BBC spend £1300 million a year on BBC One alone, every single year. If anyone tells you that they can't afford £25 million for the single biggest show on the channel - because after all BBC1 especially is not a charity and can be expected to pay market rates for commissioned material - then they're telling porkies.
And in doing so, the BBC pays more than it thinks is fair and justifiable. |
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But of course the BBC doesn't think that "factual" programming is worth paying market rates for. I'm not sure what's more disgraceful about that - the fact that BBC consider 'entertainment' more worthy than anything that might be reasonably intelligent, or the fact that the BBC considers a synthetic reality-gameshow like GBBO to qualify as 'factual' at all.
That's probably why the BBC tariffs for independent production companies are lower for factual than for entertainment: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissio...dependents.pdf |
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Any production company that had delivered a programme which had ratings increase by more than 600%, for one.
But of course the BBC doesn't think that "factual" programming is worth paying market rates for. I'm not sure what's more disgraceful about that - the fact that BBC consider 'entertainment' more worthy than anything that might be reasonably intelligent, or the fact that the BBC considers a synthetic reality-gameshow like GBBO to qualify as 'factual' at all. But the fact remains that it's a bona fide BBC hit, the biggest show on BBC One - yet they showed nothing but disrespect for the producers who brought them the goose that laid the golden egg. So that's why they don't have it any more. |
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Perhaps, but Love clearly did not agree, and it's Love's format. Love will have seen the ratings of GBBO increase hugely since the original deal was negotiated and as a result the value of the show increased significantly - to everyone except the BBC.
If the BBC hadn't been so high-handed in their negotiations, and repeatedly ripped off Love's formats in the past - which culminated in court action and an out-of-court settlement, remember - then maybe the relationship would have been more positive and Love would have been more likely to let 'their friends at the BBC' have a better deal. But to act like that and then expect a discount? No no no - not how it works. Any broadcaster is quite free to include an exclusivity clause in their contract with a supplier, and indeed it's known that the BBC did so. Not to prevent the show going elsewhere (because that's a tangible benefit which the BBC would have needed to pay extra for) but to attempt to 'spoil' the show by imposing a one-year delay if it were to move to another channel. The same clause they had for The Voice, incidentally. (The same clause that ITV had for Home and Away, also.) The BBC got what they were entitled to under the contract - they have not been hard done by in any stretch of the imagination. If they wanted permanent exclusivity they could have asked for - and paid for - that. They did not. I struggle to understand why you continue to portray the BBC as "the bad guys". The BBC were prepared to pay what they believed to be a fair price for future series, the price LP wanted they considered too high and so they walked away. That is how it works. |
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Of course they could have found the extra £10 million, but it would have had to come from some other programme budget, robbing Peter to pay Paul, simple as that. One show (and one group of viewers) wins, another show (and another group of viewers) loses.
And in doing so, the BBC pays more than it thinks is fair and justifiable. Love had been negotiating with the BBC for a long time then seemingly made a deal with Channel 4 very quickly. It makes me wonder if Channel just said that they would match any offer from the BBC and go £10 million higher. Cowell has now commented Simon Cowell says Great British Bake Off will flop on Channel 4 as he blast move 'a mistake' |
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LOL
The amount they wanted for the show was the sort of money that the BBC pays out for a full high profile costume drama (more than that in fact). If you think that 25 million a year for about 20 hours (or less) of TV with basically a single set is going to make a massive difference to the quality you're massively over estimating the cost of TV (which I guess is a change). And that 25 million doesn't even include the cost of the presenters. If you regard GBBO as premium entertainment, which I guess C4 has, then I suppose it could be regarded as a fair rate, if it's just seen as a popular mid week programme then they have paid well over the odds. Channel 4 have excelled themselves recently with the paralympics, I thought the coverage was very professional, the same goes for F1, in my opinion the quality was very much on par with the BBC (Olympics/F1). I think they'll do a good job with bake off, I think they will struggle a bit to get the same viewing figures as the BBC, especially without the current presenters, the special will give a good indication on how it will fair, it'll set up the new series in 2018, then it'll be make or break. |
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It's funny how often commercial companies don't understand why something works on the BBC. This often happens with people who make the move of course.
But in one sense 'Bake Off' is a person, it's Auntie Beeb herself in the form of a baking competition. Yes, that'll really do well on CH4! |
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Paul Hollywood and Mary are atleast being reasonable and listening to Channel 4's plans for the show.. Sue and Mel can do one. Poor professionals trying to be "popular" by rebelling against the move.
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The Daily Mail is reporting today that Paul Hollywood Quote:
This summer, he (Paul Hollywood) applied to the Intellectual Property Office to trademark Paul Hollywood for goods and services including fruit juices, craft beers, restaurants, bars, cafes and hotel services. He already has a range of kitchenware including cake tins and baking trays. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...LOT-dough.html
The judge is paid around £500,000 per year by the BBC, and his company, Paul Hollywood Ltd, held profits of £1.4 million at the latest count in June 2015, up almost £400,000 on the previous year. |
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The Daily Mail is reporting today that Paul Hollywood
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...LOT-dough.html |
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Didn't know that Lakeland quite a range of Great British Bake Off Products from cake trays to stencils to aprons and oven gloves to mixing bowls e.t.c.
http://www.lakeland.co.uk/brands/great-british-bake-off Debenhams also have a range of other stuff - including cake tin, mugs, fridge magnets: http://www.debenhams.com/search/great+british+bake+off Other companies probably have too. So that's something Channel 4 can't cash in on. |
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Channel 4 have excelled themselves recently with the paralympics, I thought the coverage was very professional, the same goes for F1, in my opinion the quality was very much on par with the BBC (Olympics/F1). I think they'll do a good job with bake off, I think they will struggle a bit to get the same viewing figures as the BBC, especially without the current presenters, the special will give a good indication on how it will fair, it'll set up the new series in 2018, then it'll be make or break.
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It's funny how often commercial companies don't understand why something works on the BBC. This often happens with people who make the move of course.
But in one sense 'Bake Off' is a person, it's Auntie Beeb herself in the form of a baking competition. Yes, that'll really do well on CH4! Channel 4 should have transferred the presenting team to avoid a Top Gear situation but it's nuts to label this show as not befitting of the commercial netwroks. |
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