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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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calico_pie
22-09-2016
Bake Off on C4 will probably fair somewhere between Bake Off on the BBC, and the US show.
planets
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You've employed faulty logic - "he failed in the USA, therefore he isn't popular on his own".

There's far too many variables to draw such a conclusion. There is, however, evidence that shows he is popular in the UK.


Who said the ratings and success are "comparable" to Bake Off?

It's possible to have a popular programme without reaching the ratings or "pop culture" status of Bake Off.”

No faulty logic at all i just stated facts: the fact is when he attempted a solo show it flopped and he was sacked.

Still no answers eh? If he's as successful solo as you say why aren't you just listing all his successful solo programmes?
dodrade
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Odd that Hollywood didn't see/seize this as an opportunity to rehabilitate his slightly dodgy reputation. I imagine he would've ultimately ended up with the same money at the Beeb but had Top Gear, other shows, a GBBO type show reuniting the foursome and all with us thinking him to be an honourable man who stands by his word.”

Not surprised he took the money, hardly the first time he's displayed rather poor judgement.

Channel 4 now left with the most expensive one legged horse in history.
lundavra
22-09-2016
Even John Whittingdale has just been quite critical of Channel 4 though he could not bring himself to actually praise the BBC itself!

(The World At One)
calico_pie
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“No faulty logic at all i just stated facts: the fact is when he attempted a solo show it flopped and he was sacked.

Still no answers eh? If he's as successful solo as you say why aren't you just listing all his successful solo programmes?”

But you're not comparing like with like.

The show in the US wasn't a show that had already been hugely popular for a number of years. And aired in the US to a US audience.
planets
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“But you're not comparing like with like.

The show in the US wasn't a show that had already been hugely popular for a number of years. And aired in the US to a US audience.”

So what other shows where Hollywood is solo have been successful?
The only solo show of his i know is the american version of bake off from which he was sacked, then when Mary took over it became more successful and she got at least two series of it. I was responding to Mark saying "As a fan of the show, I want Bake Off to continue to be a success on Channel 4 and I think having Paul Hollywood on board will contribute greatly to that." my response was he wasn't successful the only other time he made Bake of on his own. Mark didn't provide any facts to support Hollywood would make it is a success he just said "i think"
A.D.P
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“Even John Whittingdale has just been quite critical of Channel 4 though he could not bring himself to actually praise the BBC itself!

(The World At One)”

He is an idiot commenting on things he doesn't have a clue about, a few months ago he wanted the BBC to move Bews st Ten, now ITV are moving there's.

He has lied about C4 before, saying no C4 privatisation, saying not going to happen and ministers seen with C4 privatisation documents.

I think the government will press on with C4 privatisation now, Jay Hunts jumped over the line.
ftv
22-09-2016
October 2018 is a long way away and I suspect things will have changed by then, not least the position and status of Mr Hollywood. C4 have managed to buy the Morecambe and Wise Show without Morecambe and Wise.But the BBC needs to act now in its dealings with independents to ensure there is no repeat of this fiasco.
Straker
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“So what other shows where Hollywood is solo have been successful?”

Done a couple of series of his Bread shows on BBC2 IIRC. Seemed to rate OKish but didn't exactly set the world alight. The magic is with the four of them but unfortunately only three of them have the self(raising)-awareness to realise that.
planets
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Done a couple of series of his Bread shows on BBC2 IIRC. Seemed to rate OKish but didn't exactly set the world alight. The magic is with the four of them but unfortunately only three of them have the self(raising)-awareness to realise that.”

Thanks Straker I had never seen anything else of his even as a trailer so didn't know he'd done anything.
ohglobbits
22-09-2016
I much prefer Mary Berry's shows for the BBC so very glad she is leaving the great Bore Off to Hollywood's super massive ego
Glawster2002
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by DarthFader:
“Is it fair to say the BBC nurtured the show? Wasn't it Love who came up with the concept? Or would the Beeb have tweaked it a lot?

PJ”

Love came up with the concept but, after other media organisations turned it down, surely it was the BBC who turned that concept in to the most watched television programme in the country.
A.D.P
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“October 2018 is a long way away and I suspect things will have changed by then, not least the position and status of Mr Hollywood. C4 have managed to buy the Morecambe and Wise Show without Morecambe and Wise.But the BBC needs to act now in its dealings with independents to ensure there is no repeat of this fiasco.”

Considering..

The social media backlash.
The Reputational damage to Love.
The Reputational damage to C4.
Upsetting 3/4 of the talent.
Paying too much.

I think Independent producers will think things over before doing something as crass as this again for a long long time.

In fact I can see " corporate training videos" using this situation for years to come on how not to do business, how to destroy assets quickly, damage your company, and upset your key personnel by not engaging them in discussing things.

Corporate training will show Olympic Games and Team GB as a postitive working together as a team, and Love Productions, on how to annoy 15 million people, and destroy a brand.
A.D.P
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Love came up with the concept but, after other media organisations turned it down, surely it was the BBC who turned that concept in to the most watched television programme in the country.”

Yes in fact from the first to second series there were many alterations made by the BBC to improve it, which were successful, otherwise it could have died on BBC2.
Paul_DNAP
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Bake Off on C4 will probably fair somewhere between Bake Off on the BBC, and the US show.”

So, somewhere between 4m and 15m.... you may well be right, but it's likely to be towards the lower end of the range I think.
Mark.
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“No faulty logic at all i just stated facts: the fact is when he attempted a solo show it flopped and he was sacked.”

You were trying to use that as justification for him not being successful on his own.

That's the faulty logic.

Quote:
“Still no answers eh? If he's as successful solo as you say why aren't you just listing all his successful solo programmes?”

Because you've never asked for them. All you've done is ask for shows that are comparable to Bake Off.

I see you've already been given the answers, to which you hilarious replied that you had no idea he'd made them. That speaks volumes.
Ash_M1
22-09-2016
Delighted that Mary has not rewarded greed. She too must realise that loyalty matters whilst recognising the broadcaster who nurtured the show from the very beginning when Ch4 wasn't interested!!
Ash_M1
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“BBC News feed:

Paul Hollywood has signed a three year deal with Channel 4 for Bake Off.”

Boo to Paul. He is no longer my favourite.
Ash_M1
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“October 2018 is a long way away and I suspect things will have changed by then, not least the position and status of Mr Hollywood. C4 have managed to buy the Morecambe and Wise Show without Morecambe and Wise.But the BBC needs to act now in its dealings with independents to ensure there is no repeat of this fiasco.”

Absolutely right. BBC bods, are you reading this? Tie down all contracts to indies. They must be water-tight with no wriggle room.
Mark.
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Absolutely right. BBC bods, are you reading this? Tie down all contracts to indies. They must be water-tight with no wriggle room.”

I'm sure the BBC are more than capable of making the necessary changes to their dealings without relying on the advice of an anonymous username on an internet discussion forum.
Ash_M1
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I'm sure the BBC are more than capable of making the necessary changes to their dealings without relying on the advice of an anonymous username on an internet discussion forum.”

My comment was also motivated by the fact that by the end of the next Charter, all BBC content has to be 'outsourced'. This means that obviously the BBC won't own all the intellectual property of content on it's networks. This means that it is necessary and right for them to get the contracts absolutely right. We can't have another Bake Off scenario going forward. I am a caring, concerned BBC viewer. The Beeb do need to listen to me.
skp20040
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Love came up with the concept but, after other media organisations turned it down, surely it was the BBC who turned that concept in to the most watched television programme in the country.”

Richard McKerrow has said in interviews that they touted it to other broadcasters for five years and were repeatedly turned down until BBC2 took it on and gave them a grant so they could afford to make it.

Re the presenters, Mary is older , she is happy where she is and probably does not need the money 4 would offer and has decided to stay loyal to the BBC where she has other projects, Mel and Sue may not need the money so much these days and can afford to stay loyal so have done so ( though I think they may have done anyway ). Paul I think he is a different kettle of fish, he is probably the one who is not guaranteed a TV future on a plate as such so he probably thought this is a chance to make some money for the future and who can blame him for that. I respect those who have said no but as I say maybe they can afford to whilst at the same time understanding that whilst you should never bite the hand that feeds you you also have to think about your own future and out of all of them that is probably a bigger issue for Paul.
mossy2103
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“My comment was also motivated by the fact that by the end of the next Charter, all BBC content has to be 'outsourced'. This means that obviously the BBC won't own all the intellectual property of content on it's networks.”

I thought that this applied to programme production (allowing BBC Studios to compete commercially for other broadcast work, and to bid for BBC work but on the same terms as the independents). The BBC would still retain its IP rights on its own shows, with the only danger area for the BBC being where an independent production company comes up with the original concept.
calico_pie
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“So what other shows where Hollywood is solo have been successful?
The only solo show of his i know is the american version of bake off from which he was sacked, then when Mary took over it became more successful and she got at least two series of it. I was responding to Mark saying "As a fan of the show, I want Bake Off to continue to be a success on Channel 4 and I think having Paul Hollywood on board will contribute greatly to that." my response was he wasn't successful the only other time he made Bake of on his own. Mark didn't provide any facts to support Hollywood would make it is a success he just said "i think"”

You're still missing the point, which is that the US show is a lousy comparison.

The US show was a solo show in a foreign market, that didn't already have a large, loyal following.

Bake Off on C4 on the other hand is a UK show, that already has a large and loyal following. Not to mention it almost certainly won't even be a "solo show" if they replace the others.
A.D.P
22-09-2016
Love productions are panicking getting messages out,

Who actually would believe this tripe?

Bake Off makers insist the show will have the "same recipe" even though it's just Paul Hollywood left in a tent

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/great-b...eft-in-a-tent/

" same recipe " but a changed and bad home, can make terrible food.
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