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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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DVDfever
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by carl.waring:
“They have, in the recent past, cancelled quite a few shows that have been popular but just not popular enough. BBC 2's "Cuffs" for one. Its cancellation upset a lot of people including me.”

If you really were a fan of Cuffs, Carl, you'd have known it was on BBC1.

Originally Posted by skp20040:
“So far the only one you have been right about signing with C4 is Paul , and even a broken clock is right twice a day”

I never said a thing about Paul. Besides, it's too early days. They've just moaned about not signing up to C4.

As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked.
carl.waring
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“If you really were a fan of Cuffs, Carl, you'd have known it was on BBC1. ”



It was a while ago. I have slept since then
skp20040
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“If you really were a fan of Cuffs, Carl, you'd have known it was on BBC1.



I never said a thing about Paul. Besides, it's too early days. They've just moaned about not signing up to C4.

As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked
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That's a change of tactics, before it was they are just saying they won't go just wait and see they will sign multi million deals, now that changes to the only reason they wont go is if they are not asked, so covering your options.
Mark.
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“That's a change of tactics, before it was they are just saying they won't go just wait and see they will sign multi million deals, now that changes to the only reason they wont go is if they are not asked, so covering your options.”

Indeed.

When the new presenters and second judge are announced, and they aren't Mel, Sue and Mary, he'll just say "well obviously they weren't asked" in a vain attempt to absolve himself.
human nature
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked.”

That's not what you said at all. You very specifically said that all four presenters would be joining C4 and that the statements they've made saying they weren't were lies just to drum up publicity.

When challenged on this, you said anyone that didn't believe the above was stupid.

Is this the first sign that you're starting to backtrack?
calico_pie
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“I'm not moving any goal posts. The subtext of my point to Mark was that Bake Off had a very special chemistry between the four of them that made it successful, i have posted that very point previously. The four of them together were successful, Hollywood alone (doing the only version of Bake Off where he was the only one of the quartet there until Mary took over) was a flop.

I'm not moving any goal posts since my original comment i'm just answering completely random questions people are attaching to my posts. My original post was in response to Mark's thoughts about Hollywood's success. I responded, then, because my point was never answered, more and more deflections were brought into the mix which i responded to.

Underlined bit: You seem to be under the mistaken delusion i think that the channel 4 version will be a success, when i have never stated that in any post. What led you to make that massive and incorrect assumption?”

I agree that what makes Bake Off work is the chemistry of all of them. In fact more than that - you have chemistry between Paul and Mary, chemistry between Mel and Sue, chemistry between Mel and Sue & Paul and Mary, and chemistry between Mel and Su and the bakers. All sorts of chemistry.

The point myself and Mark are making is that out of these two shows:

1. Paul's US show
2. Bake Off on C4

The later is likely do considerably better than the former due to a couple of factors:

1. Paul is known already to the UK audience through several years of Bake Off already, which was not the case in the US.

2. Paul is unlikely to get swept up in another workplace romance that irked much of the US audience and so contributed to its poor ratings and demise.

Regarding your underlined bit - you misunderstood I think. I wasn't saying you think that - I was asking if you would think that in the hypothetical circumstance of Paul's US show having been a success?

ie If Paul's show had been a success, would you think that Bake Off on C4 would be a big success because his US show had been a success?

or

Would you think that Bake Off on C4 would bomb despite his US show being a success?
Janet43
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“If you really were a fan of Cuffs, Carl, you'd have known it was on BBC1.



I never said a thing about Paul. Besides, it's too early days. They've just moaned about not signing up to C4.

As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked.”

Mel and Sue were not asked because they gave their statement about staying at the BBC because it was the home of Bake Off within a couple of hours of it being announced that Channel 4 had got it, which was shortly after Love Productions had signed with Channel 4 only an hour after they left the BBC discussions. So there was no point in Channel 4 even contacting them.

Channel 4 tried to get Mary to stay, but she refused to the extent that they had only sporadic contact with her agent. She had no intention of leaving the BBC and had frequently said BBC was her home before any of this controversy was known to anyone.

Paul, on the other hand had extensive meetings with them until he got what he wanted.

Jo Brand has not been contacted regarding 'Extra Slice', which is also produced as part of the package by Love Productions. She doesn't know what's happening with 'Extra Slice'. She has said no-one has told her anything - on two different BBC programmes.

To use your turn of phrase - If you were at all interested in Bake Off, you would have know all of that.
FluxCapacitor
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked.”

Obviously covering your back given previous statements, but the idea that C4 wouldn't have asked Mel and Sue is ludicrous given Jay Hunt has constantly been very vocal about how much she loves the show and how she doesn't want any of it to change. Mel and Sue quit within an hour or so of the C4 announcement. C4 had no time to approach them. Mel and Sue weren't interested. Simple.
Straker
24-09-2016
Ginga Spice now being touted as a replacement host:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/g...-great-8902257

They'd do well to announce some names soon otherwise everyone in the entire world will be namechecked before the show makes it to air in 2018.

Some precedent for the Beeb's GBBO version:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ead-to-launch/
lundavra
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Ginga Spice now being touted as a replacement host:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/g...-great-8902257

They'd do well to announce some names soon otherwise everyone in the entire world will be namechecked before the show makes it to air in 2018.

Some precedent for the Beeb's GBBO version:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ead-to-launch/”

Cherish Finden is mentioned in another paper but they all pick up stories from each other so does not mean it is true. She was probably the most unpopular judge on Crème de la Crème which did not seem to be a great success but I can imagine Channel 4 wanting a more aggressive style of judging rather than the gentle style of the present programme.
Straker
24-09-2016
Hollywood has a self-serving piece in The Times (Murdoch publication.....hmmmmm) today but it's behind their paywall so I only get the first bit. Anyone able to relay the gist, choice quotes etc...? He attempts innuendo perhaps giving an inadvertent insight into how bad he'll be on the new version:

Quote:
“Mel says the two of them have already decided to stay put at the BBC. So they’ve no interest in a secret meeting at Channel 4, even if they get taken up the back entrance.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my...wood-8l2dc8twv

It seems he's too thick to realise by doing this in print he illustrates how important M&S are to making the show what it was. Does anyone think he has the ready wit of Mel and Sue? Apparently he does.....
mossy2103
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“Cherish Finden is mentioned in another paper but they all pick up stories from each other so does not mean it is true. She was probably the most unpopular judge on Crème de la Crème which did not seem to be a great success but I can imagine Channel 4 wanting a more aggressive style of judging rather than the gentle style of the present programme.”

Which would fly in the face of Jay Hunt's claims that the show will not change.

Plus, it would be a disaster to have two judges who have an aggressive edge rather than the "good cop, bad cop" approach with Berry/Hollywood.
calico_pie
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“As I said, the only way they won't be on C4 Bake Off is if they were not asked.”

So is your working theory that C4 paid £75m for one of the most popular shows on television, but elected not to ask two of the four people who play a huge part in its success to continue in their roles?

As for new presenters, its become something of a poisoned chalice I think.
snafu65
24-09-2016
Taylor Swift being considered as co judge according to "a source" being quoted in The Star. You couldn't make it up! Although I think somebody at The Star has, presumably while high.
lundavra
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by snafu65:
“Taylor Swift being considered as co judge according to "a source" being quoted in The Star. You couldn't make it up! Although I think somebody at The Star has, presumably while high. ”

Tweet that Cilla Black is being considered and the Star would probably print it.
Janet43
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by snafu65:
“Taylor Swift being considered as co judge according to "a source" being quoted in The Star. You couldn't make it up! Although I think somebody at The Star has, presumably while high. ”

Not in the Star, but there's a rumour that Channel 4 are going to ditch the adverts - fat chance; and that the Chuckle Brothers are to be presenters - yeah, right.
planets
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I agree that what makes Bake Off work is the chemistry of all of them. In fact more than that - you have chemistry between Paul and Mary, chemistry between Mel and Sue, chemistry between Mel and Sue & Paul and Mary, and chemistry between Mel and Su and the bakers. All sorts of chemistry.

The point myself and Mark are making is that out of these two shows:

1. Paul's US show
2. Bake Off on C4

The later is likely do considerably better than the former due to a couple of factors:

1. Paul is known already to the UK audience through several years of Bake Off already, which was not the case in the US.

2. Paul is unlikely to get swept up in another workplace romance that irked much of the US audience and so contributed to its poor ratings and demise.

Regarding your underlined bit - you misunderstood I think. I wasn't saying you think that - I was asking if you would think that in the hypothetical circumstance of Paul's US show having been a success?

ie If Paul's show had been a success, would you think that Bake Off on C4 would be a big success because his US show had been a success?

or

Would you think that Bake Off on C4 would bomb despite his US show being a success?”


TO be honest Paul had to go with the show to channel 4 as if he wanted to remain on telly what else could he do ?He's already done Bread for the BBC and that's the limit of his "expertise". How many series about bread with endless slo mo shots of him kneading dough can you have?

In comparison Mary has done successful solo cooking programmes for decades.

Paul just isn't charismatic enough to be a solo host. The fact that Mary was more successful in the same version of the show in the US bears this out. You keep saying you can't compare channel 4 to the US show and i'm not and never have been doing that, i've been comparing Paul lasting one series and getting sacked in the US show to Mary being a lot more successful and having 2+ series of the same show in the US.
Night Crawler
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Not in the Star, but there's a rumour that Channel 4 are going to ditch the adverts - fat chance; and that the Chuckle Brothers are to be presenters - yeah, right.”

I personally wouldn't rule it out, they air live F1 races ad free, that contract costs them £35m a year.
Straker
24-09-2016
Amazing this has made it past the tabloids and into the "proper" press:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7324721.html
Artygill
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Amazing this has made it past the tabloids and into the "proper" press:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7324721.html”

Oh gawd. Next it'll be Katie Price and Joey Essex.
Janet43
24-09-2016
For DVDfever:

From the Financial Times Article: How the BBC lost ‘The Great British Bake Off’

"Tony Hall, the BBC’s director-general, telephoned Mr McKerrow to try to smooth matters, according to the BBC. But according to Love Productions, the phone call led to a formal notification from Mr McKerrow that Love’s decision was final.

After the phone call, staff from Love tried to reach the show’s four main stars, Mary Berry, Paul Hollywood, Sue Perkins and Mel Giedroyc, to tell them the news and try to keep them onside. Those attempts were not all successful; some of the four said they had learned, to their bitter dismay, about the collapse in talks from social media
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https://www.ft.com/content/6f58b034-...0-8ec15fb462f4
anthony david
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Amazing this has made it past the tabloids and into the "proper" press:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7324721.html”

The Independent is no longer the proper press, it failed as a paper and is now only available on line just like the Huffington Post etc. Press means printing press, online is just media.
ftv
24-09-2016
According to Broadcast C4 have given responsibility for producing Bake Off to Liam Humphreys and Kelly Webb Lamb, two people we've never heard of.I thought Love Productions made Bake Off ?
Janet43
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“According to Broadcast C4 have given responsibility for producing Bake Off to Liam Humphreys and Kelly Webb Lamb, two people we've never heard of.I thought Love Productions made Bake Off ?”

Kelly Webb and Liam Humphreys are both listed as Head of Factual Entertainment at Channel 4 on some web sites, presumably making sure that Love Production's programme is a success on Channel 4.
DVDfever
24-09-2016
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