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I meant what I typed. The show was not likely to have continued with the BBC.
If you read the posts in context, mine was in response to this consternation that Channel 4 have somehow "stolen" the programme. They haven't, because you can only steal (or poach) that what belongs to somebody else. Love had been in talks with the BBC for a year, and they were not fruitful with a satisfactory renewal deal, so the programme was going to move anyway most likely. What you meant to say is that Love had no intention of keeping it at the Beeb. They were more interested in staging a bidding process to maximise profits. Not very public service of them is it. Channel 4 and Love have behaved dreadfully throughout. |
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Nobody is able to say definitively what the show is worth. The BBC thought £6m, then £15m. Love Productions and Channel 4 think £25m. Whose valuation is the right one? Only time will tell.
Do you think the BBC should have paid £15m a year for a baking show in a tent? If so what are you basing your value on? |
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I'm not saying anything about what the BBC should have paid or what it's worth. Just that, as the channel's owners, the government have the right to question whether Channel 4 should have paid £25million for something which was outside their remit and whether they should have gone outside their remit in the first place.
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According to the Express, a spokesman for Mary Berry has said that she has not said that she only intended to do one more year.
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£15m is probably way, way above what it is worth and yet everybody, to a man, seems to think that the BBC should have paid this with our licence fee. In fact, everybody would have been pleased if they had.
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Nobody is able to say definitively what the show is worth. The BBC thought £6m, then £15m. Love Productions and Channel 4 think £25m. Whose valuation is the right one? Only time will tell.
Do you think the BBC should have paid £15m a year for a baking show in a tent? If so what are you basing your value on? |
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Their remit also includes provision of commercial TV. It pays for the other stuff.
Boo to Channel 4 and Boo to Love. |
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Nice try. Your spin doesn't wash I'm afraid.
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Their remit is to be innovative and distinctive. That doesn't mean poaching content that was doing perfectly well on the Beeb. Channel 4 should make their own content, not rely on others.
Boo to Channel 4 and Boo to Love. |
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It's the only thing of any great truth in this whole debacle. You especially wouldn't have batted an eyelid had the BBC spent £15m a year to renew.
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Their remit is not exclusively that though and provision of commercial TV intersperses their other output.
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Nobody is able to say definitively what the show is worth. The BBC thought £6m, then £15m. Love Productions and Channel 4 think £25m. Whose valuation is the right one? Only time will tell.
Do you think the BBC should have paid £15m a year for a baking show in a tent? If so what are you basing your value on? |
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The BBC offered a reasonable increase. That's fine. Love should have accepted. £25 a year is totally unacceptable. 4 and Love have been completely wrong on all fronts throughout.
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They should create their own content which is innovative but carries commercial qualities too. It is lazy on the part of 4 to poach an already established popular show from another broadcaster, especially the BBC.
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Their remit also includes provision of commercial TV. It pays for the other stuff.
Under Social Enterprise Model "Commercially funded by advertising Not-for-profit - all surplus goes back into content Profit making genres such as factual (to) subsidise loss-making ones like news." Under Statutory Public Service Remit "Be innovative and distinctive Stimulate public debate on contemporary issues Reflect Cultural diversity of UK Champion alternative points of view Inspire change in people's lives" Publisher Broadcaster "All UK programmes commissioned from UK production companies mainly SMEs, across Britain (no in-house production unlike BBC, ITV and Sky)" State Owned Public Broadcaster "Established as a statutory corporation Portfolio of channels and digital services Regulated by Ofcom Subject to content quotas and other requirements Nurture new and existing talent." None of that covers outbidding other broadcasters for existing successful programmes. |
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What if I was to say that I think £15m for a baking show is outrageous? What are you basing your "reasonable increase" valuation on?
Furthermore, Love are so out of touch. Public mood is very much against the private sector due to the poor behaviour of high profile well-knowns. This Love business just reinforces peoples' negative perceptions of business...that they are essentially in it for themselves only. Not a good look. |
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I've been trying to think of a bigger b***s up in the history of British TV than C4 effectively buying a very expensive tent. The only comparison I can think of is ITV's Snatch of the Day in 1978 when Michael Grade at LWT thought he had bought exclusive rights to all football league games until the Office of Fair Trading ruled some matches had to be available to the BBC.
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It wasn't going to stay on the BBC though, regardless. Surely you understand that? They couldn't meet the fee.
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It was had Love agreed to the BBC deal. This isn't difficult. However, Love were more interested in the money they could fleece out of whoever than doing the right thing.
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You realise you are on the losing side here don't you. You fail to see why it is wrong for a private operator to accept public money one minute and not the next...never-mind the years of investment that public money has provided.
Furthermore, Love are so out of touch. Public mood is very much against the private sector due to the poor behaviour of high profile well-knowns. This Love business just reinforces peoples' negative perceptions of business...that they are essentially in it for themselves only. Not a good look. Actually, I'm on the winning side because there will be a show to watch on C4, and the BBC have just saved £45m to spend on something else.
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Why should they have agreed to it though? Think about your prize possession at home, do you think you should sell it to me at half of what you think it is worth? No, of course you don't.
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Why should they have agreed to it though? Think about your prize possession at home, do you think you should sell it to me at half of what you think it is worth? No, of course you don't.
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I doubt I would try to sell it to you at a 400% increase - I don't think LP have even tried to justify this increase have they ? The cost of producing the programme can't possibly have increased by that amount and we all know it which explains why people are talking about greed.More fool for C4 to agree to their terms without even bothering to consult the judges and presenters.
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In recognition of the broadcaster who gave them the funds and the break in the first place when no-one else (including Channel 4) was interested!
Would you sell me something of yours at half the value you put on it? |
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The new BBC programme should be called "Going with the Dough" (I assume someone else has suggested that but I'm not reading back over 50 pages of argumentative nonsense)
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