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Old 12-09-2016, 22:05
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Generally I agree but I've more or less boycotted C4 and C5 because of the hate campaigning they've had going against benefit claimants of any sort over the years. Even without this they have issues as channels. Jay Hunt has destroyed C4 and C5 just seems nasty in general.

If I do watch anything that airs on these channels it tends to be via downloading..
Fair point.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:06
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So, when Channel 4 axed Big Brother and promised a 'creative renewal' in its place is this what they meant? Poaching a huge rating reality show from the BBC?

I hope Love Productions recover from the big hole they've shot in their foot and carry on making programmes. But it won't ever be for the BBC again. This will go down in the history of UK television as an example of disastrous moves between channels, like when Morecambe and Wise went to ITV.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:10
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whats the point in even paying the bbc license fee they cant even afford to keep their own shows anymore
Your fire should be aimed at the Tories and their licence fee freeze since 2010. Don't blame the BBC.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:12
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So, when Channel 4 axed Big Brother and promised a 'creative renewal' in its place is this what they meant? Poaching a huge rating reality show from the BBC?

I hope Love Productions recover from the big hole they've shot in their foot and carry on making programmes. But it won't ever be for the BBC again. This will go down in the history of UK television as an example of disastrous moves between channels, like when Morecambe and Wise went to ITV.
I totally agree with you. This is the private sector at it's very worst. Let's hope this seriously backfires on Love Productions.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:13
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Your fire should be aimed at the Tories and their licence fee freeze since 2010. Don't blame the BBC.
We can blame the BBC for over extending themselves launching channel after channel with a HD variant whilst expecting the tax payer to fund them. If the BBC reverts back to BBC1, BBC2 and the radio stations it's will do just fine.

It's the BBC's fault it spread its funding to thinly.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:13
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BBC are losing the plot.

Channel 4 beat them!? Haha ! what a joke the Beeb are turning into..

They lose all there live football, now this.. where is the money!?
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:16
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Should we really be surprised that the independent (private) sector is happy to feed off and exploit the advantageous platform that the BBC gave it?

For some time now the BBC has been cajouled/forced by Government to commission more and more of it's programminng from the independent sector with "in house" production becoming something of a dirty word. What has happened with GBBO was entirely predictable and will likley happen again.

It's highly improbable that GBBO would have seen the light of day had it not been for the BBC being prepared to take a gamble with it, but where is the incentive for the BBC to keep doing this if it is only going to have its succefull programmes poached by its rivals.

The BBC would have been damned for having paid over the odds to retain GBBO and is already being lambasted for "having lost it". Poor Auntie can't win.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:17
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BBC are losing the plot.

Channel 4 beat them!? Haha ! what a joke the Beeb are turning into..

They lose all there live football, now this.. where is the money!?
Ur attack Love Productions by all means, but don't attack the BBC. Thanking you.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:18
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We can blame the BBC for over extending themselves launching channel after channel with a HD variant whilst expecting the tax payer to fund them. If the BBC reverts back to BBC1, BBC2 and the radio stations it's will do just fine.

It's the BBC's fault it spread its funding to thinly.
Nope. You blame the Tories for their cuts and the fact that not all the licence fee goes to the BBC as it should.

I note you are a 'new' account!
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:21
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I always assumed the BBC owned GBBO, I'm quite shocked by this, it won't suit having long tedious advert breaks.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:23
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From a report drawn up from Jake Kanter, it looks as though the BBC wanted to continue paying for Bake Off as a factual programme whilst Love wanted it to be treated as an entertainment programme - I presume the budget's tend to be higher for entertainment shows?

Both parties are entitled to their approach. In the end, the current holder didn't but a good enough offer on the table whereas another prospective buyer did. Love certainly didn't ignore the BBC; it seems that negotiations were ongoing.
I know someone who was involved in a similar but less high-profile Station hop, his Production Company had sold a show to the BBC and the show was a minor hit. When it came to negotiating the contract renewal the BBC were really low-balling the value of the show and took the attitude "We're the BBC you should be grateful we're dealing with you"

One of the other channels made a better offer and they went with that and the media pages were filled with BBC "sources" bemoaning the move and saying how they couldn't understand why the show had moved and they were its natural home

Another big problem is the share-holders, if Love got a huge offer from Ch4 they're practically compelled to go for the offer, justifying that the show has a potentially longer-lifer on the BBC would be hard to justify at the Shareholders meeting

As for adverts I've always watched the show on German TV with adverts so I don't see the problem
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:23
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They lose all there live football, now this.. where is the money!?
The BBC haven't lost any live football.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:25
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whats the point in even paying the bbc license fee they cant even afford to keep their own shows anymore
Oh the irony! It's precisely because the TV Licence has been frozen and the BBC made to shoulder the cost of licences for the elderly and pay a hefty sum towards the BBC World Service, things that the Government should be paying for, that it finds itself in a situation where it can't adequately fund new programming.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:28
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Passing this off as "entertainment" is a disgrace.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:29
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Passing this off as "entertainment" is a disgrace.
And yet it entertains 10m+ people.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:29
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Nope. You blame the Tories for their cuts and the fact that not all the licence fee goes to the BBC as it should.

I note you are a 'new' account!
Finally something we can thank the government for....
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:30
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Should have offered more dough. 🍞
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:32
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And yet it entertains 10m+ people.
10 million people you say, is there that many people who "enjoy" this trash?
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:33
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Bit of a faux pax on BBC One News describing Top Gear has having been lost to Amazon.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:33
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10 million people you say, is there that many people who "enjoy" this trash?
Oh look, another member of the "if I don't like it, nobody is allowed to" club.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:33
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Should we really be surprised that the independent (private) sector is happy to feed off and exploit the advantageous platform that the BBC gave it?

For some time now the BBC has been cajouled/forced by Government to commission more and more of it's programminng from the independent sector with "in house" production becoming something of a dirty word. What has happened with GBBO was entirely predictable and will likley happen again.

It's highly improbable that GBBO would have seen the light of day had it not been for the BBC being prepared to take a gamble with it, but where is the incentive for the BBC to keep doing this if it is only going to have its successful programmes poached by its rivals.

The BBC would have been damned for having paid over the odds to retain GBBO and is already being lambasted for "having lost it". Poor Auntie can't win.
Post of the day mate...especially the bit in bold. There are no winners in any of this.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:34
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They lose all there live football, now this.. where is the money!?
They gained live football when they won back the FA Cup rights.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:38
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Oh look, another member of the "if I don't like it, nobody is allowed to" club.
10 million people are free to enjoy whatever they want, doesn't mean it's entertainment.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:38
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10 million people are free to enjoy whatever they want, doesn't mean it's entertainment.
If does if they are entertained by it.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:49
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Oh look, another member of the "if I don't like it, nobody is allowed to" club.
If does if they are entertained by it.
Then they'll have to switch over to c4 to carry on "enjoying" it, and stop crying on social media about it.
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