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Instead of making a point of watching Bake Off every week it's on, I'll only watch it on Channel 4 if there's nothing else I want to watch elsewhere. If the BBC make their own version, I'll definitely watch that.
The nail in the coffin for me is the audacity of Channel 4 trying to persuade the BBC to show it next year “for public rather than self”. You can't get more hypocritical than that. |
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I think you're right. However, it would be wise for the BBC to ensure that in future they will be able to move the format freely between production companies (including the BBC themselves) to enable them to invite tenders for each series and opt for the bid which delivers best value for the viewers while retaining production values, encouraging competition, increasing effiency and driving down costs.
Of course a few years ago some loony wanted any popular programme sold to the highest bidder so as soon as a programme became popular on the BBC then Sky, ITV or CH4 would be able to buy it. This should be avoided at all costs, apart from the loss of popular programmes on the BBC it would make these other broadcasters even lazier. |
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With luck the BBC will be careful in any contract with Love to ensure that full credit is given to the BBC for any contribution it makes to the development, promotion etc of a programme. Also they should be very suspicious of Love and not trust them at all. If there is ever a choice between Love and another company then hopefully that will ensure that the other company gets the contract.
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I just don't buy this "Love are the baddies, the BBC are the goodies" scenario that has seemingly been constructed around all this, with its soap-like subplot of lies, deceit, mistrust and villainy. It didn't work out and they have moved on, but I don't think the BBC are all that bothered, it is only people on social media who I think have turned it into this great drama for the most part.
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I just don't buy this "Love are the baddies, the BBC are the goodies" scenario that has seemingly been constructed around all this, with its soap-like subplot of lies, deceit, mistrust and villainy. It didn't work out and they have moved on, but I don't think the BBC are all that bothered, it is only people on social media who I think have turned it into this great drama for the most part.
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You can outsource programme production and retain the IP on your own content. The problem arises when the format/content is owned by a third party (i.e. it is their idea) and you simply commission it. So the BBC would be fine as long as they outsource their own content.
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I think you're right. However, it would be wise for the BBC to ensure that in future they will be able to move the format freely between production companies (including the BBC themselves) to enable them to invite tenders for each series and opt for the bid which delivers best value for the viewers while retaining production values, encouraging competition, increasing effiency and driving down costs.
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It would be good if the BBC was allowed the money to have more people developing programme formats then having them made by independents but with the BBC holding onto the rights. They could make money on exporting the programmes and formats. they could also sell off the less successful formats as they might suit other broadcasters but still hold the rights.
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I agree mate. The problem will arise though surely as the Beeb own less and less of the IP over time...say ten/twenty years?
As you say above, the BBC needs to have more people creating new programmes & formats rather than relying upon external production companies to come up with the ideas. It might be an additional cost short/medium term, but should pay back over the longer term. |
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I think you're right that the BBC aren't necessarily too bothered about the simple "TV show moves to other channel" aspect of the scenario,
As someone said on BBC Breakfast last week, 'you're not still going on about this, are you?'. The man and woman in the street won't be remotely as concerned about this as the BBC and certain social media astroturfers seem to be. |
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But that's only going to be the case if there is a general move towards buying in formats rather than being creative in their own right, and I'm not sure that there's any evidence that this is or likely to be the case.
As you say above, the BBC needs to have more people creating new programmes & formats rather than relying upon external production companies to come up with the ideas. It might be an additional cost short/medium term, but should pay back over the longer term. |
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BBC News seems to be permanently trying to spin it as the most important thing ever, using every inch of their privileged access to British news audiences to get their side of the story well and truly across before Channel 4 is in any position to respond.
As someone said on BBC Breakfast last week, 'you're not still going on about this, are you?'. The man and woman in the street won't be remotely as concerned about this as the BBC and certain social media astroturfers seem to be. I think it is right to question the morality of a private provider who deems it acceptable to profit from public investment...so yes, this is a big deal. Of course I'd expect someone like you to attempt to play it down!! |
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Is Extra Slice filmed at the same time as Bakeoff or is it later as in when the show is aired, I ask because this Friday Danny Baker said to an audience member after tasting their bake they could be on the next series and then said "oh , I've been told we aren't allow to mention the next series" so wondered if it was current or was it just as they were negotiating during the period of filming.
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Is Extra Slice filmed at the same time as Bakeoff or is it later as in when the show is aired, I ask because this Friday Danny Baker said to an audience member after tasting their bake they could be on the next series and then said "oh , I've been told we aren't allow to mention the next series" so wondered if it was current or was it just as they were negotiating during the period of filming.
All the contestants sign a confidentiality clause that they will not release information on who went out when and who won. They're not even supposed to tell their fami;y. Remember Nadyia said she hid her trophy from her family other than her husband under the bed. |
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But that's only going to be the case if there is a general move towards buying in formats rather than being creative in their own right, and I'm not sure that there's any evidence that this is or likely to be the case.
As you say above, the BBC needs to have more people creating new programmes & formats rather than relying upon external production companies to come up with the ideas. It might be an additional cost short/medium term, but should pay back over the longer term. "Programme making will be opened to greater competition. The possibility of production by independent companies will exist for all BBC programmes except news and some parts of current affairs." But they do need to make sure the independent companies are tied to them for the life of a programme. |
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Is Extra Slice filmed at the same time as Bakeoff or is it later as in when the show is aired, I ask because this Friday Danny Baker said to an audience member after tasting their bake they could be on the next series and then said "oh , I've been told we aren't allow to mention the next series" so wondered if it was current or was it just as they were negotiating during the period of filming.
That and also there seem to be 'baking running jokes' in the bake photos people send in via Facebook & twitter. People will know when they posted those pics for Love's attention and I'd suspect most of then come in once the main show is on TV to remind people. Not sure if anyone on here has got a pic broadcast but that would tel for certain... |
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One point of the new BBC Charter states:
"Programme making will be opened to greater competition. The possibility of production by independent companies will exist for all BBC programmes except news and some parts of current affairs." Quote:
But they do need to make sure the independent companies are tied to them for the life of a programme.
I agree, if it is feasible.
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I think it is right to question the morality of a private provider who deems it acceptable to profit from public investment...so yes, this is a big deal.
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One point of the new BBC Charter states:
"Programme making will be opened to greater competition. The possibility of production by independent companies will exist for all BBC programmes except news and some parts of current affairs." But they do need to make sure the independent companies are tied to them for the life of a programme. This thing with ..Bake-Off is just the start. The public will resent their TV Licence money being used to enrich anyone, even the executives of these so-called independent production companies. |
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Think of it this way, "bruv" - the BBC got a great deal through having GBBO at far less than the market price for so long. And now that the anomaly has been corrected, it frees up BBC funding to spend on even more high quality programmes for you to enjoy.
Therefore at the time the contract was signed the BBC didn't have "GBBO at far less than the market price for so long" at all and it is wrong to say so. |
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Exactly why the BBC will continue to work with them, despite this idea that they must be ostracised forever. As long as they are giving the viewers what they want to watch, the BBC will want to collaborate with them. They will be disappointed to lose Bake Off, but I can't see them cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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If the working relationship between the Beeb and LP had irretrievably broken down to the extent C4 and LP claim it has, then presumably this would affect ALL the shows they have with the BBC so it's funny that it only seems to have thus far impacted GBBO as opposed to Throwdown and Sewing Bee. If in future those stay/continue with the Beeb then we can safely dismiss that story as a smokescreen put out by LP to justify the sale to C4.
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If the working relationship between the Beeb and LP had irretrievably broken down to the extent C4 and LP claim it has, then presumably this would affect ALL the shows they have with the BBC so it's funny that it only seems to have thus far impacted GBBO as opposed to Throwdown and Sewing Bee. If in future those stay/continue with the Beeb then we can safely dismiss that story as a smokescreen put out by LP to justify the sale to C4.
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One point of the new BBC Charter states:
"Programme making will be opened to greater competition. The possibility of production by independent companies will exist for all BBC programmes except news and some parts of current affairs." But they do need to make sure the independent companies are tied to them for the life of a programme. |
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When this new direction was mentioned some time ago I knew it would cause huge problems for the BBC and for the commercial companies involved.
This thing with ..Bake-Off is just the start. The public will resent their TV Licence money being used to enrich anyone, even the executives of these so-called independent production companies. |
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If the working relationship between the Beeb and LP had irretrievably broken down to the extent C4 and LP claim it has, then presumably this would affect ALL the shows they have with the BBC so it's funny that it only seems to have thus far impacted GBBO as opposed to Throwdown and Sewing Bee. If in future those stay/continue with the Beeb then we can safely dismiss that story as a smokescreen put out by LP to justify the sale to C4.
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