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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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mossy2103
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“'Peaked creatively' could also be interpreted as having found a perfect formula liked by performers and viewers. If they continue to like it then does it matter if an outsider thinks it has 'peaked creatively'.”

Regardless, I was simply passing on a thoughtful and well-structured article which was quite clearly an opinion piece.

And judging by some in-programme remarks from Candice, it is starting to look as if one baker at least is now playing up to the cameras with her intentionally unintentional innuendos (comments around carrying her jugs and handling sausage for example). It's at this point that the show begins to lose some of its innocence, and drops into self-parody.

At this point I would normally say "time will tell", but that's hardly going to be the case now.
Janet43
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Antbox:
“You're re-writing history there:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34756063

Mr Linsey said: "The BBC is incredibly proud of The Voice, but the fifth series which starts in January will be our last.

"We always said we wouldn't get into a bidding war or pay inflated prices to keep the show, and it's testament to how the BBC has built the programme up - and established it into a mainstay of the Saturday night schedule - that another broadcaster has poached it."
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The BBC knew that at the end of the two years they'd contracted, the programme would be up for bidding. They'd paid £22million for series four and five (that was the bid for two year the BBC put in and won), and said (as you say) before the start of the fifth series that it would be their last. They had decided not to get into a bidding war after series 5 so it had come to an end with them and would be available for other broadcasters. It had come to the end of its life as far as they were concerned. It also bombed in that fifth series.

The first question I was asked was which programmes had changed broadcasters. I listed some.

Then the goalposts were moved by Night Crawler to which programmes had bombed and were immediately picked up by another broadcaster. That does apply to The Voice because the BBC stated before the start of the fifth series that it would be their last, it did bomb in that last series and was immediately taken up by ITV.

Bake Off is different. It's still successful and the BBC wanted to keep it, deciding that upping what they'd paid previously of £6million to £15million was more than reasonable for a programme they'd made successful for the production company. They haven't given it up as they did with The Voice.

Shame that there's only three more weeks of Bake Off and then it will be no more. Precedent for that - Top Gear without Clarkson, Hammond and May.
Night Crawler
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“The BBC knew that at the end of the two years they'd contracted, the programme would be up for bidding. They'd paid £22million for series four and five (that was the bid for two year the BBC put in and won), and said (as you say) before the start of the fifth series that it would be their last. They had decided not to get into a bidding war after series 5 so it had come to an end with them and would be available for other broadcasters. It had come to the end of its life as far as they were concerned. It also bombed in that fifth series.

The first question I was asked was which programmes had changed broadcasters. I listed some.

Then the goalposts were moved by Night Crawler to which programmes had bombed and were immediately picked up by another broadcaster. That does apply to The Voice because the BBC stated before the start of the fifth series that it would be their last, it did bomb in that last series and was immediately taken up by ITV.

Bake Off is different. It's still successful and the BBC wanted to keep it, deciding that upping what they'd paid previously of £6million to £15million was more than reasonable for a programme they'd made successful for the production company. They haven't given it up as they did with The Voice.

Shame that there's only three more weeks of Bake Off and then it will be no more. Precedent for that - Top Gear without Clarkson, Hammond and May.”

October 2015 the BBC put it's final bid in for series six and seven, they were not prepared to pay anymore so ITV won the contract. So it hadn't come to the end of its life as they still wanted it but were not prepared to pay the high price.

The goalposts were not moved, pdwill understood the question because they gave a very good example, Men Behaving Badly, your list contained 99% revivals/reboots of popular shows, not shows that had come to the end of their life, usually when ratings drop below a certain level (your criteria).
Janet43
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Night Crawler:
“October 2015 the BBC put it's final bid in for series six and seven, they were not prepared to pay anymore so ITV won the contract. So it hadn't come to the end of its life as they still wanted it but we're not prepared to pay the high price.

The goalposts were not moved, pdwill understood the question because they gave a very good example, Men Behaving Badly, your list contained 99% revivals/reboots of popular shows, not shows that had come to the end of their life, usually when ratings drop below a certain level (your criteria).”

Before Series five aired, the BBC announced it would be the last series. Not the same as Bake Off - they knew before they even aired their last series of The Voice that they didn't want to continue with it because the price was too high so it had definitely come to the end of its life with them.

Bake Off has been poached in the middle of a successful run and has come to the end of its life altogether because of greed by Love Productions and Channel 4 only assuming they'd get the presenting team which are integral to the show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34756063

The next series of The Voice UK will be the last to be broadcast on the BBC, after it was "poached by another broadcaster", the corporation says.

Mark Linsey, acting director of BBC Television, said in a statement that it "wouldn't get into a bidding war or pay inflated prices to keep the show".

The next series, which begins in January, will be the fifth to be shown by the BBC.

The show's new broadcaster has not yet been confirmed.

"We always said we wouldn't get into a bidding war or pay inflated prices to keep the show, and it's testament to how the BBC has built the programme up - and established it into a mainstay of the Saturday night schedule - that another broadcaster has poached it."
Funding politics

Last month the BBC said it had made a "final" bid to keep the show for two more years.
Night Crawler
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Before Series five aired, the BBC announced it would be the last series. Not the same as Bake Off - they knew before they even aired their last series of The Voice that they didn't want to continue with it because the price was too high so it had definitely come to the end of its life with them.

Bake Off has been poached in the middle of a successful run and has come to the end of its life altogether because of greed by Love Productions and Channel 4 only assuming they'd get the presenting team which are integral to the show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34756063

The next series of The Voice UK will be the last to be broadcast on the BBC, after it was "poached by another broadcaster", the corporation says.

Mark Linsey, acting director of BBC Television, said in a statement that it "wouldn't get into a bidding war or pay inflated prices to keep the show".

The next series, which begins in January, will be the fifth to be shown by the BBC.

The show's new broadcaster has not yet been confirmed.

"We always said we wouldn't get into a bidding war or pay inflated prices to keep the show, and it's testament to how the BBC has built the programme up - and established it into a mainstay of the Saturday night schedule - that another broadcaster has poached it."
Funding politics

Last month the BBC said it had made a "final" bid to keep the show for two more years.
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So the announcements came at different times, doesn't change the fact the BBC lost both shows by being outbid by rival channels - both shows were poached.

BIB -That sounds familiar.
Straker
06-10-2016
Reports in the Ratings thread that C4 are pushing forward with 40 hours per year of The Last Leg - A possible indicator of the attitude they might take with GBBO?
omnidirectional
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Reports in the Ratings thread that C4 are pushing forward with 40 hours per year of The Last Leg - A possible indicator of the attitude they might take with GBBO?”

Definitely. C4 always do this with their most popular shows, but people just get tired of them more quickly when they're on so often.
Ash_M1
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Night Crawler:
“October 2015 the BBC put it's final bid in for series six and seven, they were not prepared to pay anymore so ITV won the contract. So it hadn't come to the end of its life as they still wanted it but were not prepared to pay the high price.

The goalposts were not moved, pdwill understood the question because they gave a very good example, Men Behaving Badly, your list contained 99% revivals/reboots of popular shows, not shows that had come to the end of their life, usually when ratings drop below a certain level (your criteria).”

I think you are attempting to dabble in semantics here.

In 1998, the BBC axed Birds of a Feather, probably because the Beeb felt it's best days were behind it. Ratings probably fell too. Sixteen years later, iTV took it on. That is fair play as the Beeb had axed it long ago.

At the end of it's first series in 2003, iTV axed Men Behaving Badly due to poor ratings, the Beeb took it on a year later. Again, fair play as iTV had axed it, no longer wanting it.

The difference with Bake Off is that the Beeb still wanted it but it was poached by 4 whilst still on air on Beeb 1. That is a whole lot of wrong right there.
Night Crawler
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I think you are attempting to dabble in semantics here.

In 1998, the BBC axed Birds of a Feather, probably because the Beeb felt it's best days were behind it. Ratings probably fell too. Sixteen years later, iTV took it on. That is fair play as the Beeb had axed it long ago.

At the end of it's first series in 2003, iTV axed Men Behaving Badly due to poor ratings, the Beeb took it on a year later. Again, fair play as iTV had axed it, no longer wanting it.

The difference with Bake Off is that the Beeb still wanted it but it was poached by 4 whilst still on air on Beeb 1. That is a whole lot of wrong right there.”

Not at all. We are not discussing what is seen as fair play or the poaching of content. See #1558 onwards.

I think you'll find Men Behaving Badly ran for two series on ITV between 1992-1993 it was then cancelled and picked up by the BBC and ran between 1994-1998.
Paul_DNAP
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I think you are attempting to dabble in semantics here.

In 1998, the BBC axed Birds of a Feather, probably because the Beeb felt it's best days were behind it. Ratings probably fell too. Sixteen years later, iTV took it on. That is fair play as the Beeb had axed it long ago.

At the end of it's first series in 2003, iTV axed Men Behaving Badly due to poor ratings, the Beeb took it on a year later. Again, fair play as iTV had axed it, no longer wanting it.

The difference with Bake Off is that the Beeb still wanted it but it was poached by 4 whilst still on air on Beeb 1. That is a whole lot of wrong right there.”

In none of your examples was anything really poached, in all cases the contract between the television production and the broadcaster for the show had not been extended, and another broadcaster was able to establish a new contract to air new episodes of the show.

The only difference for the bake off is that the contract for the next 3 series was being offered for tender as the last set of shows from the previous contract were being aired, in the others the shows had been aired and were off screen when the new contracts were established.
Ash_M1
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“In none of your examples was anything really poached, in all cases the contract between the television production and the broadcaster for the show had not been extended, and another broadcaster was able to establish a new contract to air new episodes of the show.

The only difference for the bake off is that the contract for the next 3 series was being offered for tender as the last set of shows from the previous contract were being aired, in the others the shows had been aired and were off screen when the new contracts were established.”

That is my point. In both examples, the original broadcaster axed both shows meaning that no poach had occurred. Bake Off is a blatant example of a poach.
Paul_DNAP
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“That is my point. In both examples, the original broadcaster axed both shows meaning that no poach had occurred. Bake Off is a blatant example of a poach.”

No, bake off is exactly the same. The original broadcaster didn't extend their deal to show it anymore. No poach occurred there either.
Object Z
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“No, bake off is exactly the same. The original broadcaster didn't extend their deal to show it anymore. No poach occurred there either.”

Correct. Bake Off is a commercial product it was made available and the current broadcaster did not want to pay the going rate.
Object Z
06-10-2016
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a8...st-on-the-bbc/

Goodnight Sweetheart to move too ???
Ash_M1
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“No, bake off is exactly the same. The original broadcaster didn't extend their deal to show it anymore. No poach occurred there either.”

You are not understanding. The BBC axed Birds and ITV axed Men respectively. They were then taken up by other broadcasters after a period of time. Very, very different to the Bake Off situation. The Beeb still wanted Bake Off and Bake Off was still on the BBC when Channel 4 poached it.
Mark.
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“You are not understanding. The BBC axed Birds and ITV axed Men respectively. They were then taken up by other broadcasters after a period of time. Very, very different to the Bake Off situation. The Beeb still wanted Bake Off and Bake Off was still on the BBC when Channel 4 poached it.”

You don't seem to understand what "poach" means.
Paul_DNAP
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“You are not understanding. The BBC axed Birds and ITV axed Men respectively. They were then taken up by other broadcasters after a period of time. Very, very different to the Bake Off situation. The Beeb still wanted Bake Off and Bake Off was still on the BBC when Channel 4 poached it.”

I understand exactly what you are saying.

It doesn't matter if the beeb "still wanted it", they may have wanted it, but they didn't get it. So by not agreeing with the terms of the new contract we could equally say that the beeb "axed" bake off too.

The fact that it was still on screen at the time is of little bearing to the situation, that was the last delivery of product under the old contract. The discussions were about the next contract for the next 3 deliveries.
jonbwfc
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“It doesn't matter if the beeb "still wanted it", they may have wanted it, but they didn't get it. So by not agreeing with the terms of the new contract we could equally say that the beeb "axed" bake off too.”

No, we can't, that's silly. 'Axed' strongly implies a desire to stop the show being broadcast because it is no longer justified (for whatever reason) to do so. There is no such desire in evidence about Bake Off, nor would any sane person have such.

Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“The fact that it was still on screen at the time is of little bearing to the situation”

But the meaning of words is defined by context. The context is the BBC wanted to continue to show Bake Off, however they and Love (again, for whatever reason) could not come to an agreement. That is utterly different from the BBC saying 'we don't want this show any more, so we're not going to pay for it, so unless you cn find someone else to pay for it you're probably going to have to stop making it'.

The BBC axed bake off in the same was I 'axed' a Ferrari when I bought a Ford Focus.
derek500
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“You are not understanding. The BBC axed Birds and ITV axed Men respectively. They were then taken up by other broadcasters after a period of time. Very, very different to the Bake Off situation. The Beeb still wanted Bake Off and Bake Off was still on the BBC when Channel 4 poached it.”

What about Don't Tell The Bride, had the BBC finished with that?
Paul_DNAP
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonbwfc:
“The BBC axed bake off in the same was I 'axed' a Ferrari when I bought a Ford Focus.”

That's a fair point.

But if you really wanted a Ferrari but couldn't afford one then you would be equally unjustified in saying someone that did buy a Ferrari "poached" it from you!


The basic facts is, someone who wanted it and could afford it triumphed over someone who wanted it but couldn't afford it.
jonbwfc
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“But if you really wanted a Ferrari but couldn't afford one then you would be equally unjustified in saying someone that did buy a Ferrari "poached" it from you!”

I'd agree. The BBC were outbid, fundamentally. There is some lingering questions as to whether Love would have stayed with the BBC even if they'd been the highest bidder but the general situation seems to be Love went where the most money was.

Originally Posted by Paul_DNAP:
“The basic facts is, someone who wanted it and could afford it triumphed over someone who wanted it but couldn't afford it.”

Yes, with the caveat that as far as I know it's less 'couldn't afford' - the BBC still has quite a lot of money after all - more 'were willing to pay for'.

I don't think any party in this has done anything 'dishonest' tbh but I do think both Love and C4 have shown poor judgement overall (Love for their woeful PR around it all, C4 for not ensuring they were actually getting what they thought they were paying for).
Ash_M1
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“What about Don't Tell The Bride, had the BBC finished with that?”

I have know idea what the situation was with DTTB.
DVDfever
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by Object Z:
“http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a8...st-on-the-bbc/

Goodnight Sweetheart to move too ???”

I can't believe they've dropped that, but are doing more Porridge. That was terrible.
Janet43
06-10-2016
So The Voice and Bake Off are exactly the same in terms of who wanted it when, who signed the contract when and whether it was poached?

For that to be true, no broadcaster wanted The Voice so the BBC took it on to see if they could make a success of it and achieved a maximum number of viewers for the first series of just over three million. They made it into a success with the number of viewers rising to over 13 million, and a couple of weeks into the final series of the contract with the BBC, ITV had agreed a bigger fee and signed the contract for it.

Didn't happen.
Antbox
06-10-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“I can't believe they've dropped that, but are doing more Porridge. That was terrible.”

Symptomatic of how the BBC views the audience, though - easily the best shows of that bunch were completely overlooked for fear that they might be too intelligent for the audience, in favour of the less excellent lowest common denominator options.

Goodnight Sweetheart will do well on ITV, that's for sure.
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