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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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mossy2103
20-10-2016
Just confirming what we already knew:

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“ITV decided not to make an offer for The Great British Bake Off because it feared that if the show’s stars were not signed up it would be “baking powder and a tent”, the broadcaster’s TV chief has revealed.

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"You really are buying some sort of baking powder and a tent,” Lygo said. “I said, ‘If you can’t guarantee it, then no, it’s not for us thank you very much.’”

Lygo said the BBC should examine closely why it had lost the show, describing the move to Channel 4 as “just a really weird screw-up”.

He added: “It will be studied by television sociologists in years to come, I suspect, about what the **** went on with that show.””

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...paul-hollywood
hendero
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Just confirming what we already knew:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...paul-hollywood”

Not that I have ever seen the programme, but I'm sort of intrigued who they will go for alongside Paul Hollywood. I heard Tim Lovejoy's name bandied about. Memo to Channel 4 - if you want the show to die an instant death, give him one of the roles. Must be top 5 most irritating people on television, and that is a hotly contested title. They need to find someone who will appeal to the programme's main demographic, which is what, 40+ women and their hen-pecked husbands? Nigella's arguably too glamorous. I'd go for Lorainne Pascal, although that's probably too much of a left-field choice.

As for the hosts, Davinia maybe? She can be sharp-tongued. Claire Balding? Seems there's nothing she can't do, she has a sense of humour. One of them. And a smoothy gent. Des Lynam might be too old now, although he's younger than Mary Berry, I think.
A.D.P
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Just confirming what we already knew:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...paul-hollywood”

Just shows, ITV were very professional, Channel 4 inept,
DVDfever
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“Not that I have ever seen the programme, but I'm sort of intrigued who they will go for alongside Paul Hollywood. I heard Tim Lovejoy's name bandied about. Memo to Channel 4 - if you want the show to die an instant death, give him one of the roles. Must be top 5 most irritating people on television, and that is a hotly contested title.”

He seems to get on fine with Sunday Brunch.
Janet43
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“Not that I have ever seen the programme, but I'm sort of intrigued who they will go for alongside Paul Hollywood. I heard Tim Lovejoy's name bandied about. Memo to Channel 4 - if you want the show to die an instant death, give him one of the roles. Must be top 5 most irritating people on television, and that is a hotly contested title. They need to find someone who will appeal to the programme's main demographic, which is what, 40+ women and their hen-pecked husbands? Nigella's arguably too glamorous. I'd go for Lorainne Pascal, although that's probably too much of a left-field choice.

As for the hosts, Davinia maybe? She can be sharp-tongued. Claire Balding? Seems there's nothing she can't do, she has a sense of humour. One of them. And a smoothy gent. Des Lynam might be too old now, although he's younger than Mary Berry, I think.”

As you say, you've never seen the programme.

The contestants are aged from as young as 18 right up to well retired, both male and female. There's even a junior bake off for 9 to 12 year-olds just about to start its fourth series.

This year's finalists are a 25 year-old male aerospace engineer, a 61 year-old female garden designer and a 31 year-old female PE teacher.

So the demographic is any age, any gender. Just as many men bake as women do.
ftv
20-10-2016
Clare Balding has already said she wouldn't be interested in doing the show

Des is firmly retired, he's 74.

It just shows how cack-handed C4 are that having bought the title and a very expensive tent they are now scrambling around to find presenters and judges,extraordinary really.
Ash_M1
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Clare Balding has already said she wouldn't be interested in doing the show

Des is firmly retired, he's 74.

It just shows how cack-handed C4 are that having bought the title and a very expensive tent they are now scrambling around to find presenters and judges,extraordinary really.”

...whilst destroying a format loved by millions on the BBC. It's almost like wanton destruction.
ftv
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“...whilst destroying a format loved by millions on the BBC. It's almost like wanton destruction.”

All the mainstream broadcasters need to revise their attitude to the independents in the light of what has clearly turned out to be a fiasco and ruined a programme for millions of viewers.Whatever C4 ends up with it will not be the Great British Bake Off.
hendero
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“As you say, you've never seen the programme.

The contestants are aged from as young as 18 right up to well retired, both male and female. There's even a junior bake off for 9 to 12 year-olds just about to start its fourth series.

This year's finalists are a 25 year-old male aerospace engineer, a 61 year-old female garden designer and a 31 year-old female PE teacher.

So the demographic is any age, any gender. Just as many men bake as women do.”

I was talking about the viewers, not the contestants.
Mark.
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Clare Balding has already said she wouldn't be interested in doing the show

Des is firmly retired, he's 74.

It just shows how cack-handed C4 are that having bought the title and a very expensive tent they are now scrambling around to find presenters and judges,extraordinary really.”

Who says they're "scrambling"? I don't believe Channel 4 have ever publicly said any names of potential presenters or judges, so people "ruling themselves out" is simply in response to press speculation.

But people are determined to be negative about it so are revelling in making stuff up.
Ash_M1
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“All the mainstream broadcasters need to revise their attitude to the independents in the light of what has clearly turned out to be a fiasco and ruined a programme for millions of viewers.Whatever C4 ends up with it will not be the Great British Bake Off.”

I agree mate. Love Productions have done a lot of damage to the indie brand.
Nilrem
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“I was talking about the viewers, not the contestants.”

The viewers range in age as well.

Among the friends I've got who watch it there is a 30ish teacher, a solicitor in his 30's, a couple of people in their twenties and some in their 40's+.

It's one of the shows that appeals pretty much regardless of age if you either like the presenters, the contestants, or the subject.
DVDfever
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Who says they're "scrambling"? I don't believe Channel 4 have ever publicly said any names of potential presenters or judges, so people "ruling themselves out" is simply in response to press speculation.”

And by doing that, it generally means "Yes, I have signed up".
Mark.
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“And by doing that, it generally means "Yes, I have signed up".”

Are you still clinging onto this idea that everyone is wrong and you're right, and all current members of the Bake Off line-up will move to Channel 4?
lundavra
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Just confirming what we already knew:

Quote:
“Lygo said the BBC should examine closely why it had lost the show, describing the move to Channel 4 as “just a really weird screw-up”.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...paul-hollywood”

I am not sure what the BBC need to examine, they were just not prepared to get in a bidding war with someone who has deeper pockets.
lundavra
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“I was talking about the viewers, not the contestants.”

The viewers probably are a wider age range because even though there is a junior version, many children will be watching the main series.
lundavra
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Clare Balding has already said she wouldn't be interested in doing the show

Des is firmly retired, he's 74.

It just shows how cack-handed C4 are that having bought the title and a very expensive tent they are now scrambling around to find presenters and judges,extraordinary really.”

I suspect many people do not want to get involved something that is likely to be a failure.
mossy2103
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“As you say, you've never seen the programme.

The contestants are aged from as young as 18 right up to well retired, both male and female. There's even a junior bake off for 9 to 12 year-olds just about to start its fourth series.

This year's finalists are a 25 year-old male aerospace engineer, a 61 year-old female garden designer and a 31 year-old female PE teacher.

So the demographic is any age, any gender. Just as many men bake as women do.”

So as far as the viewers are concerned, it's a very wide demograph, and quite possibly much wider than the generic Channel 4 demograph. Leaving Channel 4 with a problem if they wish to retain the appeal & interest.
ohglobbits
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“So as far as the viewers are concerned, it's a very wide demograph, and quite possibly much wider than the generic Channel 4 demograph. Leaving Channel 4 with a problem if they wish to retain the appeal & interest.”

Channel 4 does lifestyle programming, this is very much down their street.
Janet43
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“I was talking about the viewers, not the contestants.”

So was I. You really think there are 13 million 40+ women and their "henpecked husbands" watching?

Baking might not be something you're interested in, but people of all ages are - that's why the contestants cover such a large age ranges and both genders - and so do the viewers.

Will hendero come back and admit to being wrong in the light of others saying the same as me - I doubt it.
Steve9214
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Who says they're "scrambling"? I don't believe Channel 4 have ever publicly said any names of potential presenters or judges, so people "ruling themselves out" is simply in response to press speculation.

But people are determined to be negative about it so are revelling in making stuff up.”

This is the same as the "Strictly Rumours threads" every Summer on DS.

"So and so Z-list celeb, is in talks with / has turned down / would love to ..,,,do Strictly"

What this means in reality is

"So and so Z-list Celebrity has something to promote, and their PR team crowbarred Strictly into the press release, in the faint hope that some lazy journalists would just copy and paste the whole thing without checking anything"

Methinks anyone with anything to flog will "have turned down / is in talks with / would love to ... be the new Presenter of Bakeoff"

Ditto any chef with a book out, and the vacant Judge's position.

Journalists from tabloid or Celeb magazines can take the next few months off and just regurgitate PR press releases about Bakeoff.
jonbwfc
21-10-2016
Or, you know, just make up stuff themselves without the celeb in question being involved at all. They've got plenty of history of that.

Summary : Newspapers are an awful waste of money.
skp20040
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“And by doing that, it generally means "Yes, I have signed up".”

So going by that logic Mel , Sue and Mary will all be on C4 along with about 20 other people who have all ruled themselves out , looks like C4 will need to spend some more money on a substantially bigger tent, mind you in reality they may make some money back by selling off the current one and nipping down to Argos for a two man cheapy

Does anyone know if they still get to film in the current garden or will we be treated to them in a B&Q car park in Peckham.
mightymillie
21-10-2016
For those who are interested in the actual demographics, this is how the audience was made up on October 5th:

Men 36.2%
Women 63.8%

0-15 6.8%
16-34 21.8%
35-54 36.2%
55+ 35.2%

The typical Bake Off viewer is thus a woman in her late 50s.
...which is the same demographic as most BBC1 primetime shows.

Source: BARB
D.M.N.
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“For those who are interested in the actual demographics, this is how the audience was made up on October 5th:

Men 36.2%
Women 63.8%

0-15 6.8%
16-34 21.8%
35-54 36.2%
55+ 35.2%

The typical Bake Off viewer is thus a woman in her late 50s.
...which is the same demographic as most BBC1 primetime shows.

Source: BARB”

Yeah, I'm sure the 60%+ shares in the 16-24 and 25-34 demographics that Bake Off regularly gets count for nothing...
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