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Then they'll have to switch over to c4 to carry on "enjoying" it,
That's primarily what the fuss is about. |
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It's highly likely that the presenters and judges won't move with the show. And those four are part of the overall package that makes it enjoyable and entertaining.
That's primarily what the fuss is about. |
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I think it's a massive mistake that Bake Off isn't going to be on BBC1 after this series. It's extremely popular and is the most watched programme in ths country. Both the BBC and Love Productions would know this, so you'd think that they'd try and do whatever they could to keep it where it is. Having it move to another channel means that it's undoubtedly going to have less viewers watching, (to my knowledge, Channel 4 have never had the amount of viewers that Bake Off has), and it's more likely that the show will change from what it currently is, whether that be with the format or the presenters and/or judges.
I don't know how likely it is, but I'm hoping that somehow, Love Productions will change their mind and have the show go back to the BBC where it belongs. |
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Your fire should be aimed at the Tories and their licence fee freeze since 2010. Don't blame the BBC.
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Oh the irony! It's precisely because the TV Licence has been frozen and the BBC made to shoulder the cost of licences for the elderly and pay a hefty sum towards the BBC World Service, things that the Government should be paying for, that it finds itself in a situation where it can't adequately fund new programming.
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I wonder what impact this will have on Junior Bake Off on CBBC, the Sewing Bee and Sara Cox's pottery show that are also Love Productions - will they all be off too soon?
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It's good that the BBC no longer has bulging budgets from never ending license fee increases anymore to blow on deals that are commercially viable elsewhere.
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While it's bad news in one way, the BBC will always have the ability to make other non-commercial shows hits. They don't need British Bake Off, but arguably Bake Off needs BBC for the largest amount of exposure and viewers.
Or, to be more long-winded about it; this Well said David ![]() Quote:
Sorry BBC, you can no longer tell us what to watch, we have choice and I bet the BBC hates that!!
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whats the point in even paying the bbc license fee they cant even afford to keep their own shows anymore
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We can blame the BBC for over extending themselves launching channel after channel with a HD variant whilst expecting the tax payer to fund them. If the BBC reverts back to BBC1, BBC2 and the radio stations it's will do just fine.
It's the BBC's fault it spread its funding to thinly. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacent...years-comp.pdf Quote:
I know someone who was involved in a similar but less high-profile Station hop, his Production Company had sold a show to the BBC and the show was a minor hit. When it came to negotiating the contract renewal the BBC were really low-balling the value of the show and took the attitude "We're the BBC you should be grateful we're dealing with you".
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c'mon now its 2016 guys the bbc like any business should be allowed to go out of business if they cannot fund themselves properly. state controlled television should be out the door. this isnt the 1950s people have choices now and can watch hundreds of privately owned tv channels instead of being under a bbc monopoly like it used to be. 'aunty' is irrelevent nowadays
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c'mon now its 2016 guys the bbc like any business should be allowed to go out of business if they cannot fund themselves properly. state controlled television should be out the door. this isnt the 1950s people have choices now and can watch hundreds of privately owned tv channels instead of being under a bbc monopoly like it used to be. 'aunty' is irrelevent nowadays
![]() Most of us value quality and that's what the Beeb provides. |
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Losing it to Sky would be acceptable but channel 4 are hardy the movers and shakers !!
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Losing it to Sky would be acceptable but channel 4 are hardy the movers and shakers !!
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Losing it to Sky would be acceptable but channel 4 are hardy the movers and shakers !!
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Then they'll have to switch over to c4 to carry on "enjoying" it, and stop crying on social media about it.
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That's business.
It's good that the BBC no longer has bulging budgets from never ending license fee increases anymore to blow on deals that are commercially viable elsewhere. I'm fully aware it's business but sky do have a habit of allowing a programme to grow and become successful before jumping in and grabbing the rights. |
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Why is it highly likely - money talks!
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I suspect the BBC will be reviewing its policy towards the independents which is bad news for all of them, Love Productions just got greedy.
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The BBC should be making more of their own content, as they clearly can't rely on these production companies being loyal... regardless of the help they have given them.
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That will ruin it.
Can anyone name programmes that have left the BBC and gone elsewhere that haven't got worse as a result? |
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Everybody is blaming Love Productions but ultimately Love is owned by SKY.
Greedy uncle Dickie. |
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The thing with GBBO is that it's all filmed and finished way in advance, but everyone involved (and the press) play along and keeps the secret.
I just wonder if it goes to a commercial channel for big bucks, will there be more likelihood of the rest of the media printing reveals and spoilers? There might be a feeling that it's 'fair game' on a commercial channel. For the BBC there is less need for them to leak stuff, ideally they would prefer a show with long term success rather than going after quick ratings (and hence quick money) |
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c'mon now its 2016 guys the bbc like any business should be allowed to go out of business if they cannot fund themselves properly.
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While it's bad news in one way, the BBC will always have the ability to make other non-commercial shows hits. They don't need British Bake Off, but arguably Bake Off needs BBC for the largest amount of exposure and viewers.
Its the same problem they have with staff, they train up a massive amount of quality staff both in front and behind the camera but they more often than not end up losing these staff once they reach a level where they can start paying back the training they got because the BBC can't compete on a wages front with commercial broadcasters. The BBC is basically becoming a broadcaster who puts vast amount of money into developing concepts and people but who never gets the chance to fully benefit from them |
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Yes. NOW it's commercially-viable. So why didn't the production company offer it to a commercial channel first?
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Would never work on Netflix. Sky would be the best chance of it remaining totally unchanged (i.e. Ad free) but they probably couldn't deliver the audience for the "brand".
It sounds like Love want to really milk the "brand" so I expect it to burn out brightly but quickly over on C4. |
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Your fire should be aimed at the Tories and their licence fee freeze since 2010. Don't blame the BBC.
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From reading between the lines, I get from the deal, the potential for Love Productions to sub-licence the Brand Name via advertising in Supermarkets and so on. This is something that can't be done whilst on the BBC. That's why I believe Love wanted so much more from the BBC - to compensate the loss of additional ad revenue from the usage of the Brand name. The show is not worth £25 million per year. It's a cooking contest in a Marquee. Flour and eggs are provided very cheaply by local businesses and the contestants don't get a fee.
It is greed and the appeal of advertising revenue that lost the BBC the show, not the BBC's offer. |
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c'mon now its 2016 guys the bbc like any business should be allowed to go out of business if they cannot fund themselves properly. state controlled television should be out the door. this isnt the 1950s people have choices now and can watch hundreds of privately owned tv channels instead of being under a bbc monopoly like it used to be. 'aunty' is irrelevent nowadays
![]() And whilst we still have the BBC we will still have free to air TV, the day it went the likes of ITV etc would be behind paywalls faster than you could blink and Freeview would be full of shopping and cheap tat channels , so you would pay a broadcasting tax and have to pay either Sky, Virgin or BT on top. Quote:
Everybody is blaming Love Productions but ultimately Love is owned by SKY.
Greedy uncle Dickie. Now when Love sold 70% to Sky they changed themselves from a small independent preferential supplier to being just one of many , and it is of no surprise the price went up. My feeling is that Love has most of its output on the BBC who have helped them enormously and you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you even as a business. |
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Its as much Labour who are to blame. It was under their watch that the requirement for them to commission shows from outside production companies were strengthened
The Tories though, are trying to get them to use Indy's for 100% of commissions, but I think that it just means that all programmes must be put out to tender for Indy's to enable them a chance of producing then, even if the BBC chooses BBC Studios for value for money in the end. |
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