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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Why have you ignored the whole post to take the final sentence out of context? ”

I didn't. Perhaps you missed the rest of my post where I replied to other parts.

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“As the poster this comment is in reply to said, in its current guise, with Mel & Sue presenting and Mary & Paul judging and being broadcast on the BBC it has ended.”

Well, no, the statement was "It has ended". Not "It has ended in its current guise". The Great British Bake Off has not ended, but is instead moving to Channel 4.

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“The programme name and Paul Hollywood have moved to C4 however it very much remains to be seen if they can get anywhere near the BBC version that has proved so popular.”

At least you acknowledge it "remains to be seen" instead of jumping on the "Channel 4 will turn it to shit" bandwagon.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Osusana:
“Some people just seem to want to be killjoys of other people's pleasure.
We cannot like the same things - I loathe many things that are on TV so don't watch them. I would not criticise others' preferences or what they watch

It would be a sad old world if we all liked the same things.

I have enjoyed GBBO over the last 4 years only and will definitely not be following it to Channel 4 - I love the charm and gentle wit of Mel and Sue, not bothered about Mr Hollywood (he could be easily replaced) and think that the format has run out of ideas now so it would die a slow death in any case.”

My wife & I watched it from series one as we both like Mel & Sue. I think the BBC will look back and probably feel quite smug about 'losing' GBBO. It is leaving the BBC at the top and C4, along with whoever presents it and joins Paul as a judge, are on a hiding to nothing with the new version of the show. After all, a lot of people won't watch simply out of principle.

Long term I think C4 could very much be the losers, especially as they will almost certainly be privatised now which is something that in the past they have very much campaigned against.
ftv
27-10-2016
The programme title may be moving to C4 but the programme content as millions know and love it is not.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“The programme title may be moving to C4 but the programme content as millions know and love it is not.”

If the programme still features three baking challenges called a "Signature", "Technical" and "Showstopper I'm not sure how it can be said the programme content is not moving.

If you mean the presenters and one judge, then that suggests it's actually a weak format held up by strong personalities. So why the appeal?
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I didn't. Perhaps you missed the rest of my post where I replied to other parts.



Well, no, the statement was "It has ended". Not "It has ended in its current guise". The Great British Bake Off has not ended, but is instead moving to Channel 4.



At least you acknowledge it "remains to be seen" instead of jumping on the "Channel 4 will turn it to shit" bandwagon.”

However you are simply arguing in semantics for the sake of it as you know perfectly well what people mean when they say 'it has ended' because, to many who watch it now in its current guise it has ended.

As for the "Channel 4 will turn it to shit" bandwagon, it could well turn out to be their Top Gear.

Yes, it will have the same name. Yes, it will have the same tent. Yes it will still have one of the two original judges, but it won't be the same programme.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“However you are simply arguing in semantics for the sake of it as you know perfectly well what people mean when they say 'it has ended' because, to many who watch it now in its current guise it has ended.”

Which is a ridiculous thing to say when they have absolutely no idea what it will be like on Channel 4.

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“As for the "Channel 4 will turn it to shit" bandwagon, it could well turn out to be their Top Gear.”

Or it could turn out to be their Birds of a Feather, more successful than on the BBC. The point is nobody knows, yet so many are quick to jump on the aforementioned bandwagon. Indeed, most did it as soon as the announcement was made, before there was any word on the intentions of the presenters and judges.

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“Yes, it will have the same name. Yes, it will have the same tent. Yes it will still have one of the two original judges, but it won't be the same programme.”

You cannot know that.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“If the programme still features three baking challenges called a "Signature", "Technical" and "Showstopper I'm not sure how it can be said the programme content is not moving.

If you mean the presenters and one judge, then that suggests it's actually a weak format held up by strong personalities. So why the appeal?”

If I purchased an original Chippendale Table, chopped off three of the legs and replaced them with three planks of wood from B&Q I would still have a table but it wouldn't have the value of the original, it is exactly the same principle here.

Like a Chippendale Table, the perceived value to the viewers of GBBO in its current format exceed the sum of the individual components.
Janet43
27-10-2016
It's such a shame that some posters cannot appreciate the skill and creativity shown by the contestants. I suspect that many of them can't even boil an egg, let alone bake a cake, so they dismiss something they can't do as worthless. In fact for them anything that requires talent, imagination, skill and perseverance, is trivial and not worth watching.

Just go back to your lives filled with shop-bought soggy sausage rolls and preservative-filled bread, and leave programmes like this to those of us who appreciate them. Probably buy mass-produced furniture made from veneered chipboard and think it's as good as a craftsman-made solid wood piece.

Well done to all of those who took part. And well done to those who have learned from watching the programme and improved their cooking or started cooking because of it. I hope none of your family are as unappreciative of your efforts as some on here obviously are of anything prepared for them.

RIP Bake Off as we know it.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“If I purchased an original Chippendale Table, chopped off three of the legs and replaced them with three planks of wood from B&Q I would still have a table but it wouldn't have the value of the original, it is exactly the same principle here.

Like a Chippendale Table, the perceived value to the viewers of GBBO in its current format exceed the sum of the individual components.”

Well that says more about those viewers than anything else.

It suggests they tune in not for a baking show, but to worship some sort of cult of personality.
Janet43
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Well that says more about those viewers than anything else.

It suggests they tune in not for a baking show, but to worship some sort of cult of personality.”

And which cult personality would that be?

Can't be Paul Hollywood - a master baker who advises on what went wrong and what should have been done.

Mary Berry? An 80 year old grandmother who knows more about baking than most of the population.

Mel and Sue? A couple of comedians who link the show and encourage and put the contestants at ease.

Can't see any cult figures here - just skilled people doing their job.

All of whom educate us in some way in a very pleasant manner.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Which is a ridiculous thing to say when they have absolutely no idea what it will be like on Channel 4.”

Of course it is not a ridiculous thing to say. change three of the four presenters/judges and, by default, the nature of the programme changes. It cannot be the same.

Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Or it could turn out to be their Birds of a Feather, more successful than on the BBC. The point is nobody knows, yet so many are quick to jump on the aforementioned bandwagon. Indeed, most did it as soon as the announcement was made, before there was any word on the intentions of the presenters and judges


You cannot know that.”

It may do, however when Birds of a Feather moved to ITV it kept the three stars, Pauline Quirke, Linda Robson and Lesley Joseph. If two of them had left and were replaced, would it have been so successful? People took to it because of the familiarity of the three stars. GBBO on C4 doesn't have that luxury.

The most recent example we have of a programme being relaunched with an entirely new presenting team but keeping to a similar format is the last series of Top Gear, which was a disaster.

It is also interesting to note that people aren't exactly shouting from the rooftops that they would like to present/judge GBBO on C4, probably because they are only too aware of what a poisoned chalice it could turn out to be.
ftv
27-10-2016
I still find it extraordinary that C4 bought this show without any guarantees whatsoever that any of the judges/presenters would go with it, the reason ITV gave for not putting in a bid.Huge error of judgement by C4 management.
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I wonder if the BBC News will report on the next winner, if only to take a dig at the viewing figures?”

It is very unlikely to be the success that Bake Off has been on BBC1 so I doubt whether the BBC new or any other news media will give it a great deal of coverage.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Well that says more about those viewers than anything else.

It suggests they tune in not for a baking show, but to worship some sort of cult of personality.”

No, they tune in for a gentle baking show where there are no egos, no 'must win' mentality, the person who overall was the best with the challenges that week is voted 'best baker' and the worst leaves the show.

It isn't a difficult concept to understand but as you obviously don't like it or watch it, why does it matter so much to you?
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“It is the most watched show on television and the series winner has been announced, so it is bound to be a news item, especially on the channel it is broadcast on. The X-Factor winner would be a news item on ITV news.

But then why come to a thread about a television programme you obviously don't like to make such a pointless comment in the first place?

Some people seem to have far too much time on their hands.”

Also just about all other news media have given it extensive coverage.
ftv
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“Also just about all other news media have given it extensive coverage.”

BBC News yesterday did point out that C4 won't be able to show it until 2018 for ''contractual reasons''
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“My wife & I watched it from series one as we both like Mel & Sue. I think the BBC will look back and probably feel quite smug about 'losing' GBBO. It is leaving the BBC at the top and C4, along with whoever presents it and joins Paul as a judge, are on a hiding to nothing with the new version of the show. After all, a lot of people won't watch simply out of principle.

Long term I think C4 could very much be the losers, especially as they will almost certainly be privatised now which is something that in the past they have very much campaigned against.”

Channel 4 have campaigned against privatisation but I think the management of Channel 4 now want it so they can get even richer - isn't the head of Channel 4 only on a million a year whilst head of ITV on eight million.

I would think it is not impossible that Bake Off will end up on during the afternoon on Channel 4.
Straker
27-10-2016
14m for the final GBBO!! Ratings that wretched ego-crazed, grudge-bearing, BBC-hating Hunt won't even be able to dream of.
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“14m for the final GBBO!! Ratings that wretched ego-crazed, grudge-bearing, BBC-hating Hunt won't even be able to dream of.”


The announcement of the C4 ratings in 2018 could be like the old game shows after the contestant walks away with the Booby Prize:

"And this is what you could have won - 14 million, 53.3% audience share".



And this breakdown from rzt in the Ratings thread:

20:00 - 12.39m (49.6%)
20:05 - 13.36m (52.2%)
20:10 - 13.67m (53.1%)
20:15 - 14.00m (53.9%)
20:20 - 13.91m (53.2%)
20:25 - 14.25m (54.0%)
20:30 - 14.29m (54.3%)
20:35 - 14.39m (53.4%)
20:40 - 14.55m (54.0%)
20:45 - 14.72m (55.3%)
20:50 - 14.80m (54.3%)
20:55 - 13.69m (52.3%)

GBBO Demographics:
C4-15: 1.09m (57.9%)
16-24: 1.08m (61.7%)
25-34: 1.92m (61.5%)
35-44: 1.98m (61.0%)
45-54: 2.63m (59.5%)
55-64: 2.23m (50.6%)
65+: 3.06m (41.3%)


Seeing that C4 skews towards a younger audience, it is quite likely (and understandable) that they might try to make BO appeal more to that younger audience whilst forgoing the older-skewing audience that BBC one has. So on that basis, even more of a chance that it will end up not being the same programme.

For me, Bake Off ended yesterday.
arunan22
27-10-2016
Impressive ratings - probably took a mild hit too given a reasonably high profile football match (United v City) on at the same time.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“And which cult personality would that be?

Can't be Paul Hollywood - a master baker who advises on what went wrong and what should have been done.

Mary Berry? An 80 year old grandmother who knows more about baking than most of the population.

Mel and Sue? A couple of comedians who link the show and encourage and put the contestants at ease.

Can't see any cult figures here - just skilled people doing their job.

All of whom educate us in some way in a very pleasant manner.”

And yet people seem to think the show starts and ends with them.

It can't work both ways - either they tune in for the presenters and judges (which makes it about personalities), or they tune in for the idea of a competitive baking show (and so it shouldn't matter who the presenters and judges are).

Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Of course it is not a ridiculous thing to say. change three of the four presenters/judges and, by default, the nature of the programme changes. It cannot be the same.”

The format remains the same - a competitive baking show.

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“It may do, however when Birds of a Feather moved to ITV it kept the three stars, Pauline Quirke, Linda Robson and Lesley Joseph. If two of them had left and were replaced, would it have been so successful? People took to it because of the familiarity of the three stars. GBBO on C4 doesn't have that luxury.”

The comparison with Birds of a Feather extends only to the idea of a show being a success when moving from the BBC; as a drama, it would have been absurd to change the lead actors.

For The Great British Bake Off, the core of the show is that it's a competitive baking show with a defined structure. It doesn't start and end with whoever happens to present or judge it.

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“The most recent example we have of a programme being relaunched with an entirely new presenting team but keeping to a similar format is the last series of Top Gear, which was a disaster.”

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“It is also interesting to note that people aren't exactly shouting from the rooftops that they would like to present/judge GBBO on C4, probably because they are only too aware of what a poisoned chalice it could turn out to be.”

Now that is a ridiculous thing to say. It's up to Channel 4 to look for presenters, not for presenters to try and whore themselves out. In any case, anyone saying they were interested would likely be lynched by the baying mob who think TV starts and ends with the BBC.

Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“No, they tune in for a gentle baking show where there are no egos, no 'must win' mentality, the person who overall was the best with the challenges that week is voted 'best baker' and the worst leaves the show.”

And you know it won't be like this on Channel 4 because...

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“It isn't a difficult concept to understand but as you obviously don't like it or watch it, why does it matter so much to you? ”

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that nobody knows what the programme will be like on Channel 4? Thus far people have simply being making stuff up.

And for the record, I do watch it. And I intend to watch it on Channel 4.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Seeing that C4 skews towards a younger audience, it is quite likely (and understandable) that they might try to make BO appeal more to that younger audience whilst forgoing the older-skewing audience that BBC one has.”

Yea, programmes like Countdown are really aimed at a younger audience.

Channel 4 makes programming so suit a range of ages and demographics.
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Yea, programmes like Countdown are really aimed at a younger audience.

Channel 4 makes programming so suit a range of ages and demographics.”

I assume that you really do understand the term "skews towards" when used in this context, so I will not address the rest of your post.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I assume that you really do understand the term "skews towards" when used in this context, so I will not address the rest of your post.”

I absolutely do understand it.

But don't worry, I also understand why you're not addressing the rest of my post
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I absolutely do understand it.

But don't worry, I also understand why you're not addressing the rest of my post ”

Yes, and just to reiterate for anyone not following - the use of the term "skews towards" is a crucial part of my earlier post (with the emphasis on the word "skews").
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