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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Yes, and just to reiterate for anyone not following - the use of the term "skews towards" is a crucial part of my earlier post. ”

But completely irrelevant.

You seem to think Channel 4 will change GBBO to appeal to that younger audience, yet completely ignore the fact they show programmes like Countdown - something which doesn't inherently appeal to that younger audience.
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“But completely irrelevant.

You seem to think Channel 4 will change GBBO to appeal to that younger audience,”

Yes, I said that it was quite likely and understandable.

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“ yet completely ignore the fact they show programmes like Countdown - something which doesn't inherently appeal to that younger audience.”

Countdown is not shown at prime time, nor does it look like it has cost much to commission.

GBBO is likely to air at prime time (C4 would be fools not to), and much money has been spent acquiring it.

Hence my personal viewpoint (yours may differ of course, but that;'s the fun of opinions).


Edited to add:

I am sure that I read a comment from a C4 representative that they might look to make the programme more appealing to their younger (than the BBC) audience (or words to that effect).
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Yes, I said that it was quite likely and understandable.

Countdown is not shown at prime time, nor does it look like it has cost much to commission.

GBBO is likely to air at prime time (C4 would be fools not to), and much money has been spent acquiring it.”

Have you looked at Channel 4's primetime schedule recently?

If we take the 8pm slot this week (when GBBO airs on the BBC):

Monday - Despatches/Be Your Own Doctor
Tuesday - Your Face Says It All (science documentary)
Wednesday - Little British Isles with Alison Steadman
Thursday - George Clarke's Amazing Spaces
Friday - Jamie's Super Food/Food Unwrapped
Saturday - live F1 qualifying
Sunday - live F1

We can probably discount the weekend as atypical.

But for the rest of the week, I reckon the only programme that is fully aimed at a younger audience is Be Your Own Doctor. Possibly also Your Face Says It All, but it's very much science-oriented.

Some people, I think, have preconceptions about Channel 4 based on a small sample of its programming. But when you actually look at what they show in primetime slots, you'll see it's not actually a million miles away from the BBC.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“The comparison with Birds of a Feather extends only to the idea of a show being a success when moving from the BBC; as a drama, it would have been absurd to change the lead actors.

For The Great British Bake Off, the core of the show is that it's a competitive baking show with a defined structure. It doesn't start and end with whoever happens to present or judge it.”

The appeal of GBBO in its current format that makes 10m+ tune in each week is the 'package', the baking competition, the judges, and the presenters. To say that nothing will change with a new channel, new presenter(s?), and new judge(s?), in other words the 'package', will remain exactly the same is ridiculous. It can't.

In that context the comparison between Birds of a Feather, which changed channels whilst retaining its three principle stars, and GBBO is a valid one.

If you want to watch it on C4, that's fine, but I suspect you will be in a minority.
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“14m for the final GBBO!! Ratings that wretched ego-crazed, grudge-bearing, BBC-hating Hunt won't even be able to dream of.”

So much for the Channel 4 PR people's claims that they rescued a failing programme!
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
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Seeing that C4 skews towards a younger audience, it is quite likely (and understandable) that they might try to make BO appeal more to that younger audience whilst forgoing the older-skewing audience that BBC one has. So on that basis, even more of a chance that it will end up not being the same programme.

For me, Bake Off ended yesterday.”

And everything that they change to try and appeal to their normal (if that word can be used for Channel 4 viewers!) audience will just put off its traditional audience even more.

I wonder if the bookies are offering odds on whether it will be pulled by Channel 4 before the end of the first series!
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“If you want to watch it on C4, that's fine, but I suspect you will be in a minority.”

I probably will be because so many people seem determined that it will be a flop without even giving it a chance.

That, I think, is unreasonable.
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Yea, programmes like Countdown are really aimed at a younger audience.

Channel 4 makes programming so suit a range of ages and demographics.”

As far as I can see Countdown does not get into the Channel 4 Top 30 on BARB so under 800,000 viewers. I can imagine them relegating Bake Off to an daytime slot like that.

To justify the high cost that they paid, it needs to draw in sizeable viewing figures in evening peak time.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“As far as I can see Countdown does not get into the Channel 4 Top 30 on BARB so under 800,000 viewers. I can imagine them relegating Bake Off to an daytime slot like that.

To justify the high cost that they paid, it needs to draw in sizeable viewing figures in evening peak time.”

And if you'd care to read a bit further on from that post, you'll see I posted the programmes in the 8pm slot this week.

Not exactly all targeted at a younger audience.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“If the programme still features three baking challenges called a "Signature", "Technical" and "Showstopper I'm not sure how it can be said the programme content is not moving.

If you mean the presenters and one judge, then that suggests it's actually a weak format held up by strong personalities. So why the appeal?”

Bake Off on the Beeb is a quintessential British/BBC show. The tone, the genuine feel to the show (unlike the fakery/manufactured nonsense you get on ITV/Ch4), the double-entendre/seaside post card humour, it's gentile nature and the fact that it is non-commercial.

The fact that Bake Off is moving to a commercial channel - plus the fact it is losing three quarters of the presenting team - means it will be nothing like the Beeb version when it moves to 4. All the elements that millions have enjoyed up to now will be lost.

What a shame Love Productions put greed ahead of the monster hit they created alongside years of support from the Beeb.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Bake Off on the Beeb is a quintessential British/BBC show. The tone, the genuine feel to the show (unlike the fakery/manufactured nonsense you get on ITV/Ch4), the double-entendre/seaside post card humour, it's gentile nature and the fact that it is non-commercial.

The fact that Bake Off is moving to a commercial channel - plus the fact it is losing three quarters of the presenting team - means it will be nothing like the Beeb version when it moves to 4. All the elements that millions have enjoyed up to now will be lost.”

You have absolutely no idea how it will be on Channel 4. Your post is based entirely on prejudice.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Or it could turn out to be their Birds of a Feather, more successful than on the BBC...”

Birds on the Beeb was a monster hit. I loved it. Watched every week.
Janet43
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“And yet people seem to think the show starts and ends with them.

It can't work both ways - either they tune in for the presenters and judges (which makes it about personalities), or they tune in for the idea of a competitive baking show (and so it shouldn't matter who the presenters and judges are).”

Th whole show doesn't start and end with the presenters, but you have hit the nail on the head - it's the WHOLE show. Take any element out or add another element and it isn't the same show. Nothing to do with cult figures.

Take out the tent - not the same show.

Change one or more of the presenters - not the same show.

Change the tasks from signature, technical and showstopper - not the same show.

Add adverts - most definitely not the same show.


We do know that there will be adverts. We do know that three of the presenters will ot be on it. We don't know about other changes or if there will be any, but two elements at least have changed so it will not be the same show. The Great British Bake Off is dead.

The BBC are likely to introduce another baking show, which won't be the same, but hopefully will have a similar atmosphere. That's all we can hope for for the moment.
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Bake Off on the Beeb is a quintessential British/BBC show. The tone, the genuine feel to the show (unlike the fakery/manufactured nonsense you get on ITV/Ch4), the double-entendre/seaside post card humour, it's gentile nature and the fact that it is non-commercial.

The fact that Bake Off is moving to a commercial channel - plus the fact it is losing three quarters of the presenting team - means it will be nothing like the Beeb version when it moves to 4. All the elements that millions have enjoyed up to now will be lost.

What a shame Love Productions put greed ahead of the monster hit they created alongside years of support from the Beeb.”

A former contestant (Richard Burr) writes:

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“Channel 4 will work hard to make its investment pay off, no doubt. But here in the UK, there is strong loyalty toward BBC channels, and the show is likely to lose many millions of viewers. To date, the highest-rated entertainment programmes on Channel 4 achieved around 4 million viewers and programming is pitched towards a younger audience. There are also likely to be a number of spinoffs to capitalise on the brand.

The BBC has used alternative presenters on Bake Off celebrity specials before, but the chemistry among the hosts is integral to the show's magic and will not be replicated overnight. It will take years to build the Bake Off back up in a different guise – if that's even possible.

This was a Bread-xit that the UK really wasn't prepared for.”

http://news.anotao.com/link/nz/www.s...e-shows-future (courtesy of The Washington Post)
mossy2103
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“The BBC are likely to introduce another baking show, which won't be the same, but hopefully will have a similar atmosphere. That's all we can hope for for the moment. But The Great Britsh Bake Off is dead.”

And that BBC show, if properly conceived & executed, will be likely to siphon off disaffected viewers and potential viewers from the C4 version.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You have absolutely no idea how it will be on Channel 4. Your post is based entirely on prejudice.”

I know precisely how it will be. It will be nothing like the show which has just finished on the Beeb.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“And that BBC show, if properly conceived & executed, will be likely to siphon off disaffected viewers and potential viewers from the C4 version.”

It wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't a team already in place making that happen.

After all, a new BBC show could start next year and be well in to its stride before C4s GBBO even starts.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Th whole show doesn't start and end with the presenters, but you have hit the nail on the head - it's the WHOLE show. Take any element out or add another element and it isn't the same show. Nothing to do with cult figures.

Take out the tent - not the same show.

Change one or more of the presenters - not the same show.

Change the tasks from signature, technical and showstopper - not the same show.

Add adverts - most definitely not the same show.


We do know that there will be adverts. We do know that three of the presenters will not be on it. We don't know about other changes or if there will be any, but two elements at least have changed so it will not be the same show. The Great British Bake Off is dead.

The BBC are likely to introduce another baking show, which won't be the same, but hopefully will have a similar atmosphere. That's all we can hope for for the moment.”

I totally agree with your summary here Janet. I have faith in the Beeb. I'm sure they will come up with a new GBBO. GBM has been doing the business on Beeb 2. Maybe it will get promotion to Beeb 1? The Beeb are very skilled at building a format.
Mark.
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I know precisely how it will be.”

No you don't. Nobody does, not even Channel 4.
Glawster2002
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I probably will be because so many people seem determined that it will be a flop without even giving it a chance.

That, I think, is unreasonable.”

Many people expressed similar views about Top Gear after Clarkson, May, and Hammond left... And those views, it turned out, were entirely justified.

I am sure many people will tune in to C4s version of GBBO and they will, as with Top Gear, make a direct comparison with the BBC version that ended last night and decide if they want to stick with it.

However human nature means they will always start with a negative view towards the new version and for most is it is to succeed it will have to be seen to be substantially better than what it is now.

But, as the current version is the most popular show on television, it would seem unlikely the new version will achieve that.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“A former contestant (Richard Burr) writes:

http://news.anotao.com/link/nz/www.s...e-shows-future (courtesy of The Washington Post)”

I agree with Richard. There is huge loyalty to the BBC channels. The nation doesn't take kindly to behaviour as demonstrated by 4 in regards to Bake Off. Bake Off moving channels also gives people a chance/an opportunity/an excuse to stop watching. Many of my friends used to watch Neighbours when it was on the BBC. Many stopped watching when it moved to 5 because a) Channel 5 has a poor reputation b) It was an excuse to stop watching it c) The adverts.
Ash_M1
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“No you don't. Nobody does, not even Channel 4.”

We know enough already to know that it will be no-where near the Beeb version. If any of the elements are changed, you've got a different show. Simple as.
sat-ire
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“We know enough already to know that it will be no-where near the Beeb version. If any of the elements are changed, you've got a different show. Simple as.”

But you said:-
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I know precisely how it will be.”

Let's not forget that a month ago you didn't even know the presenters' names
Straker
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“No you don't. Nobody does, not even Channel 4.”

Hardly something to crow about is it, and yet C4 have. I don't understand how anyone can view the acquisition of GBBO as primarily anything other than agenda-driven egotism on the part of Jay Hunt - A woman so fuelled by hatred of the BBC that she prioritised depriving the Beeb of the show above ensuring it's success on her own channel by doing due diligence and securing the key talent. It's basic stuff which all on its own reveals her incredibly petty motives for embarking on this purchase. That omission all by itself should disqualify her from gainful employment outside of washing dishes in a truck-stop caff for the rest of her life and yet we live in a culture where spectacular failure and mismanagement is rewarded so I'm sure she'll end up at Amazon on a million a year royally ****ing up their roster of shows too.
Heavenly
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Th whole show doesn't start and end with the presenters, but you have hit the nail on the head - it's the WHOLE show. Take any element out or add another element and it isn't the same show. Nothing to do with cult figures.

Take out the tent - not the same show.

Change one or more of the presenters - not the same show.

Change the tasks from signature, technical and showstopper - not the same show.

Add adverts - most definitely not the same show.


We do know that there will be adverts. We do know that three of the presenters will not be on it. We don't know about other changes or if there will be any, but two elements at least have changed so it will not be the same show. The Great British Bake Off is dead.
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This ^^ Unfortunately.
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