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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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pedrok
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Th whole show doesn't start and end with the presenters, but you have hit the nail on the head - it's the WHOLE show. Take any element out or add another element and it isn't the same show. Nothing to do with cult figures.

Take out the tent - not the same show.

Change one or more of the presenters - not the same show.

Change the tasks from signature, technical and showstopper - not the same show.

Add adverts - most definitely not the same show.


We do know that there will be adverts. We do know that three of the presenters will ot be on it. We don't know about other changes or if there will be any, but two elements at least have changed so it will not be the same show. The Great British Bake Off is dead.

The BBC are likely to introduce another baking show, which won't be the same, but hopefully will have a similar atmosphere. That's all we can hope for for the moment.”

The advert point was one I was going to make also. What we can take a good guess at, is that, given the money C4 spent on GBBO we know they will show it at prime time, perhaps even 8pm on a Wednesday evening!! We also know they will need to advertise during it. So adverts will be shown/ And that one thing alone, that adverts will be shown during the programme, is enough to make it a completely different show to what appeared on the BBC.

And once the BBC design their own British Baking Competition programme, which will take place in a village hall instead of a tent perhaps, and Mary, Mel and Sue, sign up for it alongside one (or more) of the previous winners, and the BBC stick it on at 8pm on a Wednesday evening, we will see who made the right decision.
Evil Genius
27-10-2016
Some of you might be interested in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LqUZhWHRE

Apparently Great British Bake-Off is a bit of a cult hit on US PBS. So much so that Saturday Night Live did a spoof sketch based on it.

And yes, the accents do suck...
Janet43
27-10-2016
According to Hello! magazine the BBC are already planning a replacement show - Big Family Cooking Challenge - which is in pre-production, due to be broadcast in summer 2017.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/film/20...ing-Challenge/

We'll have to wait and see if it's received with the same enthusiasm as Bake Off has been.
Straker
27-10-2016
The key to resurrecting GBBO in spirit if not in name is to ensure Mary, Mel and Sue are in the mix. I've not got a baking shaped hole in my life so if this mooted new show is without their involvement it's as pointless to me as C4's version with just Hollywood.
ftv
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“According to Hello! magazine the BBC are already planning a replacement show - Big Family Cooking Challenge - which is in pre-production, due to be broadcast in summer 2017.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/film/20...ing-Challenge/

We'll have to wait and see if it's received with the same enthusiasm as Bake Off has been.”

Let's hope the BBC sort out the rights this time so it can't be flogged off if it's a success.
Janet43
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“The key to resurrecting GBBO in spirit if not in name is to ensure Mary, Mel and Sue are in the mix. I've not got a baking shaped hole in my life so if this mooted new show is without their involvement it's as pointless to me as C4's version with just Hollywood.”

It is supposed to be with Mary, Sue and Mel.
ftv
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“It is supposed to be with Mary, Sue and Mel.”

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...y-cooking-show
Straker
27-10-2016
Yeah......Not seeing any names attached.
Janet43
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Yeah......Not seeing any names attached.”

Came across it by accident, and now can't find were I saw it, but I definitely saw the rumour is for the three to be on it.

Edit: Found it

http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/great-...kins-channel-4
Straker
27-10-2016
Hmmmm....Concerned that involving all the family just makes it a bit of a mess-about rather than something taken seriously by those involved. However light and fluffy Bake-Off was, it really mattered to the bakers whereas this has the potential to turn into just kids being indulged by their grans.

The desire to keep the lawyers appeased is tangible.
lundavra
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Hmmmm....Concerned that involving all the family just makes it a bit of a mess-about rather than something taken seriously by those involved. However light and fluffy Bake-Off was, it really mattered to the bakers whereas this has the potential to turn into just kids being indulged by their grans.

The desire to keep the lawyers appeased is tangible.”

They could have two family members - husband and wife, mother and daughter etc. With them working together in some tests and independently in others.
carl.waring
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“Yes it matters, it typifies the pseudo reality trash that blights the UK broadcasting landscape.”

"blights the UK broadcasting landscape" by being a 3 minute piece on a 30 min news show; and right at the end as well.

Sorry but that's not a very good definition of "blighting the landscape".

Originally Posted by pedrok:
“And once the BBC design their own British Baking Competition programme...”

They so have to call it that
pedrok
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by carl.waring:
“"blights the UK broadcasting landscape" by being a 3 minute piece on a 30 min news show; and right at the end as well.

Sorry but that's not a very good definition of "blighting the landscape".


They so have to call it that ”

I did think BBC at the BBC had a ring to it!
Baz_James
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You have absolutely no idea how it will be on Channel 4. Your post is based entirely on prejudice.”

It won't matter in the slightest why people aren't willing to give C4's version houseroom only that that they are.
Straker
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“I did think BBC at the BBC had a ring to it!”

Great minds.....

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=1108
Straker
28-10-2016
Kev on The Wright Stuff having a good rant about Bake Off. Catch it on +1 in about 55 minutes.
Ash_M1
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Kev on The Wright Stuff having a good rant about Bake Off. Catch it on +1 in about 55 minutes.”

Good or bad rant mate? Can't cope with watching it myself. It's tabloid tv at it's very worst.
Straker
28-10-2016
You'd like it - He basically says C4 have bought a pup and a bucketload of bad-will to go with. He's aghast that the top-rating show on TV, 14m viewers, has effectively been vandalised and ruined.
A.D.P
28-10-2016
Interesting article, basically ten million viewers will not watch on C4.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-4-tricky-task

However, TV and media buying agency executives are predicting that on Channel 4 the show is likely to attract an audience significantly lower than BBC1, forecasting about 4 to 5 million.

So many bad decisions by the creative director Jay Hunt, not actually creative more a poacher.

ITV’s director of television, Kevin Lygo, said recently that Channel 4 had paid for “baking powder and a tent” by failing to secure the full current star line-up in its deal to take the show off the BBC.
Ash_M1
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“You'd like it - He basically says C4 have bought a pup and a bucketload of bad-will to go with. He's aghast that the top-rating show on TV, 14m viewers, has effectively been vandalised and ruined.”

That's interesting. That Kevin O is usually anti-BBC isn't he. I do agree with his sentiment mind. It's almost as though 4 (and Love) have will-fully destroyed it. I am convinced this 'deal' will go down as the worst ever in tv history.
Steve9214
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Interesting article, basically ten million viewers will not watch on C4.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-4-tricky-task

However, TV and media buying agency executives are predicting that on Channel 4 the show is likely to attract an audience significantly lower than BBC1, forecasting about 4 to 5 million.

So many bad decisions by the creative director Jay Hunt, not actually creative more a poacher.

ITV’s director of television, Kevin Lygo, said recently that Channel 4 had paid for “baking powder and a tent” by failing to secure the full current star line-up in its deal to take the show off the BBC.”

Given some of the ITV Exectives less than stellar Programing decisions (latest is apparantly replace News at Ten with a daily chat show) for them to be making fun of Jay Hunt really shows how appallingly bad this decision really is.
Ash_M1
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Interesting article, basically ten million viewers will not watch on C4.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-4-tricky-task

However, TV and media buying agency executives are predicting that on Channel 4 the show is likely to attract an audience significantly lower than BBC1, forecasting about 4 to 5 million.

So many bad decisions by the creative director Jay Hunt, not actually creative more a poacher.

ITV’s director of television, Kevin Lygo, said recently that Channel 4 had paid for “baking powder and a tent” by failing to secure the full current star line-up in its deal to take the show off the BBC.”

I certainly won't be following 'Bake Off' to 4 on principle. No way. One thing I can't stand and that is greed.
Straker
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“That's interesting. That Kevin O is usually anti-BBC isn't he. I do agree with his sentiment mind. It's almost as though 4 (and Love) have will-fully destroyed it. I am convinced this 'deal' will go down as the worst ever in tv history.”

More or less what he said when summing it up.
ftv
28-10-2016
According to The Times today there are two more Bake Offs which will be shown over Christmas and Hollywood will appear in both along with the other regulars.
A.D.P
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“Given some of the ITV Exectives less than stellar Programing decisions (latest is apparantly replace News at Ten with a daily chat show) for them to be making fun of Jay Hunt really shows how appallingly bad this decision really is.”

Whilst ITV have made some mistakes the nightly chat show idea " could" work, the BBC wins the ten News hands down. The chat show will live or die in the host. Schofield or Ross would kill it, they need " new ITV blood" not same old same old.

ITV had a commercial hst on turning down GBBO without the key talent. Jay Hunt couldn't organise a P up in a brewery.
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I certainly won't be following 'Bake Off' to 4 on principle. No way. One thing I can't stand and that is greed.”

Agree and Mel and Sue were very honourable not following the dough.
Originally Posted by Straker:
“More or less what he said when summing it up.”

Yes.
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