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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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lundavra
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“And you're trying to strengthen your strange obsession that what Channel 4 did was OK.

They aren't snubbing charity, but they are snubbing Comic Relief and the Mirror (and the Independent, and the Mail) is right - it will annoy viewers. The BBC should stick to the embargo which prevents Channel 4 from airing GBBO until 2018. I think they should also challenge whether, because of contractual conditions, they are legally able to make a special in 2017 for Stand up to Cancer, but then they'd be as petty over charity as Love Productions are being.

If there's time to make their own charity special for 2017, then there's time for them to make the BBC charity special for 2017.

At least we still have the Christmas special to look forward to.


It also seems that The Great British Pottery Throwdown will go ahead because that was filmed before the s**t hit the fan over Bake Off, but it definitely looks like there be no more Great British Sewing Bee - the only programme for the very many hobby dressmakers and sewers.”

I presume there were economies in recording the Comic Relief Special whilst the marquee was on site so it would be a lot more expensive to just erect and equip for a couple of charity programmes. It sounds suspiciously as if Love / Channel 4 would then try to use it as leverage to try and get permission to start the recording of the Fake Great British Bake Off a year early.
Radiogram
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“Speaking of which - it has been reported in this thread that C4 are producing 40 hours per year of "The Last Leg", which is a huge increase on previous years.

I gave up watching this show due to the continual, unfunny lefty rants.
However the latest series is now 3 shows in - and the "Last leg" thread in UK TV has vanished.
Presumably nobody is posting while watching.

Overkill is quickest way to get a series cancelled.”

Thankfully TV execs tend to use ratings as a method for figuring out how many viewers a show has and not the amount of posts on this forum.
Janet43
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Clearly you haven't seen my previous posts RE. Channel 4 and Bake Off. So unfortunately, you are simply wrong. On Wednesday night I said that Bake Off hadn't moved - it was finished. You need to check your facts before saying I have an obsession with anything.”

Then why did you say to A.D.P.

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“Why report an article here that is not a true representation of the facts? Oh - I know - it strengthens your strange obsession with the BBC looking good.”

I think most of us who are real fans of Bake Off do think the BBC have come out of this looking good. That article is important as part of what has been going on between Love Productions and the BBC and has been picked up by other media.
Janet43
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“I presume there were economies in recording the Comic Relief Special whilst the marquee was on site so it would be a lot more expensive to just erect and equip for a couple of charity programmes. It sounds suspiciously as if Love / Channel 4 would then try to use it as leverage to try and get permission to start the recording of the Fake Great British Bake Off a year early.”

Doesn't sound as if they have their own charity event planned yet and have taken the tent down. If they erect the tent for their own charity Bake Off, they can leave it up and use it for the BBC charity Bake Off. But why would they? Toys and pram come to mind.
Aaron_2015
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Then why did you say to A.D.P.



I think most of us who are real fans of Bake Off do think the BBC have come out of this looking good. That article is important as part of what has been going on between Love Productions and the BBC and has been picked up by other media.”

Because ADP is renowned for going around defending the BBC on every single issue, even if it means picking out tabloid articles that are false. I was calling ADP out for knowingly using false information to strengthen his case.
lundavra
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Doesn't sound as if they have their own charity event planned yet and have taken the tent down. If they erect the tent for their own charity Bake Off, they can leave it up and use it for the BBC charity Bake Off. But why would they? Toys and pram come to mind.”

I think they record the charity specials whilst the tent is up, either during the week with the Bake Off being recorded at weekend or beginning or end of the series. During the week seems most likely. It is not just a matter of erecting the tent, they have to get all the equipment together, rig it for recording and get the quite large team together.
Straker
30-10-2016
IIRC the family that owns the house and grounds where the tent is, has said they want no part of it now it's gone to C4 (could be positioning to get more money) so another potential change to throw in the mixing bowl. But don't worry everybody - Jay Hunt has promised it'll all be EXACTLY the same as it was on the Beeb. Except for all those dozens of things that make it different......They won't be the same. Does she believe her own BS? It seems she does.
Mark.
30-10-2016
What difference does it make which house the tent is in the grounds of?

So far the only known differences are 3 out of the 4 presenters/judges. But that doesn't mean the actual format will be any different. The only claims that it will are coming from people who are throwing their toys out the pram.
Gusto Brunt
30-10-2016
LOL. What is the appeal of this pap???
pedrok
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“What difference does it make which house the tent is in the grounds of?

So far the only known differences are 3 out of the 4 presenters/judges. But that doesn't mean the actual format will be any different. The only claims that it will are coming from people who are throwing their toys out the pram.”

We also know there will be adverts during the programme.
Straker
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“What difference does it make which house the tent is in the grounds of?”

It's yet another potential change for a programme that's been promised to remain the same. You do see that, yes?

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“So far the only known differences are 3 out of the 4 presenters/judges. But that doesn't mean the actual format will be any different. The only claims that it will are coming from people who are throwing their toys out the pram.”

Another pejorative phrase used to describe people who, just like you, are simply talking about this programme. I don't own a pram and if I did I wouldn't keep my toys in it and being as most of them are vintage collectables and worth a shitload I wouldn't dream of throwing them out of any pram either.

There are multiple changes already, unavoidable ones mostly simply by virtue of it now being on a channel that takes ads and sponsorship, but they've been detailed often enough for you to already know about them despite you pretending you don't.
lundavra
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“What difference does it make which house the tent is in the grounds of?

So far the only known differences are 3 out of the 4 presenters/judges. But that doesn't mean the actual format will be any different. The only claims that it will are coming from people who are throwing their toys out the pram.”

Apart from the fact that it will be shorter because of all the adverts, Product Placement and sponsorship announcements? I have not heard one name mentioned as a possible presenter who would improve the programme, many are people I cannot stand. At the moment it gets widespread coverage in the media because of the number of viewers and of course people talk about it a lot. I am sure Channel 4 are being very optimistic about only losing eight million viewers and they will lose even more.

With luck the BBC will have a new programme on before then so they will be competing with that also.
Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“We also know there will be adverts during the programme.”

That doesn't alter the format.

Originally Posted by lundavra:
“Apart from the fact that it will be shorter because of all the adverts, Product Placement and sponsorship announcements? ”

You know for certain it will be shorter?

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“I have not heard one name mentioned as a possible presenter who would improve the programme, many are people I cannot stand.”

Any names mentioned have been press speculation.
Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“It's yet another potential change for a programme that's been promised to remain the same. You do see that, yes?”

If correct, it would simply be changing the location of the tent. That, to me, is a case of finding any petty little thing to complain about.

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“Another pejorative phrase used to describe people who, just like you, are simply talking about this programme.”

It's not pejorative, it's accurate.

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“ I don't own a pram and if I did I wouldn't keep my toys in it and being as most of them are vintage collectables and worth a shitload I wouldn't dream of throwing them out of any pram either. ”

Oh dear. Mr Logic alert.

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“There are multiple changes already, unavoidable ones mostly simply by virtue of it now being on a channel that takes ads and sponsorship, but they've been detailed often enough for you to already know about them despite you pretending you don't.”

I'm referring to people who are convinced the format will be changing.

Obviously there will be adverts which is a change to the airing of the show. But there has been absolutely no suggestion from any official source that the format will be changing.
Straker
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“If correct, it would simply be changing the location of the tent. That, to me, is a case of finding any petty little thing to complain about.”

Presumably if LP want it to remain there and C4 wants it to remain there, as they appear to do, then it can't be dismissed as "petty" as you clearly want to do in your ongoing campaign to belittle the views of others.

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“It's not pejorative, it's accurate.”

It's the opposite - Inaccurate and pejorative.

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“Oh dear. Mr Logic alert.”

Humour bypass alert.

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“I'm referring to people who are convinced the format will be changing.”

Nah, you're just disparaging anyone who disagrees with you.

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“Obviously there will be adverts which is a change to the airing of the show. But there has been absolutely no suggestion from any official source that the format will be changing.”

Sponsorship, ads, presenters, location, running time - These are all changes to the format. You get that, right? The only way to "keep it exactly the same" as Hunt has promised is to replicate the BBC show right down to the type of greaseproof paper they use but they're unable to do that because by buying it, they've irrevocably changed it. It's like those scientific experiments where the very act of observing them changes the outcome so Hunt is knowingly making false statements simply as a way of fire-fighting the deluge of bad press her idiotic decision has engendered.
Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Presumably if LP want it to remain there and C4 wants it to remain there, as they appear to do, then it can't be dismissed as "petty" as you clearly want to do in your ongoing campaign to belittle the views of others.”

Well, no, because keeping it in the same location is the option with the least hassle.

But if they go off and find somewhere new, it's no big deal.

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“It's the opposite - Inaccurate and pejorative.”

No, it's accurate.

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“Humour bypass alert.”

It's good that you warn people you have no sense of humour. Not sure why it's relevant here though.

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“Nah, you're just disparaging anyone who disagrees with you.”

No, I'm quite clearly commenting only on people who keep going on about the format changing.

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“Sponsorship, ads, presenters, location, running time - These are all changes to the format. You get that, right?”

No they're not. They are changes to the way the show is aired, not the format.

And, as I said previously, there has been no indication that the running time will change. That, again, is something that people have made up in order to attack Channel 4 and Love Productions.
Aaron_2015
30-10-2016
As a fan, the location makes no difference to me. At the moment, we see a tent in a nice field, with the occasional shot of a country house. That could be any country house as far as I'm concerned.

Hasn't it already been said the show could run for 75 minutes to accommodate adverts? There has been no mention of the format changing.
Straker
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Well, no, because keeping it in the same location is the option with the least hassle.”

The setting is part of the attraction of the show. They have tours there specifically because it's the Bake-Off location so yeah, it's kinda important. Add to that that the bakers, the four presenters and the crew have ALL praised the house owners for what they do during the staging and running of the show then that's another mark in the "Location is important" column. Funny how you seem ignorant of all that in your rush to dismiss it as important because it suits you to do so.

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“No, it's accurate.”

You seem pathologically unable to grasp that everyone here is doing the same as you - Discussing it. There are no prams, no toys otherwise you're as guilty as anyone else because it's just words on a forum.


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“It's good that you warn people you have no sense of humour. Not sure why it's relevant here though.”

That's weak beer. Very weak beer....

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“No, I'm quite clearly commenting only on people who keep going on about the format changing.”

Which it is, because it cannot be the same. You can't seem to understand that though.

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“No they're not. They are changes to the way the show is aired, not the format.”

If you don't understand that you cannot disassemble this show and put it back together and have it work as well then you fundamentally do not know anything about TV.

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“And, as I said previously, there has been no indication that the running time will change. That, again, is something that people have made up in order to attack Channel 4 and Love Productions.”

The running time will change because there are now ads and sponsor bumpers in it so you're wrong again. If it runs an hour without any because they forgo ads and sponsors then you're entitled to come back and tell me I was wrong.
Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“The setting is part of the attraction of the show. They have tours there specifically because it's the Bake-Off location so yeah, it's kinda important.”

It's not important to the format of the show. Why can't you understand that?

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“You seem pathologically unable to grasp that everyone here is doing the same as you - Discussing it. There are no prams, no toys otherwise you're as guilty as anyone else because it's just words on a forum.”

You seem pathologically unable to grasp that until anything is confirmed by Channel 4, people criticising the programme are throwing their toys out the pram.

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“Which it is, because it cannot be the same. You can't seem to understand that though.”

You don't seem to understand that the only thing confirmed is that Paul Hollywood will be one of the judges.

So it's wrong to say the format is changing.

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“If you don't understand that you cannot disassemble this show and put it back together and have it work as well then you fundamentally do not know anything about TV.”

The show isn't being disassembled.

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“The running time will change because there are now ads and sponsor bumpers in it so you're wrong again. If it runs an hour without any because they forgo ads and sponsors then you're entitled to come back and tell me I was wrong.”

You have absolutely no idea what Channel 4's plans are, and no amount of bold type will change that.

There will be adverts and sponsors...but that doesn't mean the running time will change. And none of what you've posted has indicated the actual format will change.
jonbwfc
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You have absolutely no idea what Channel 4's plans are, and no amount of bold type will change that.”

To be fair, a commercial channel running a show without commercials is pretty bloody rare occurrence.

Originally Posted by Mark.:
“There will be adverts and sponsors...but that doesn't mean the running time will change.”

Actually, yes it does, either way. The running time for GBBO is currently 58-ish minutes. If they cut for adverts the show will be roughly 55 minutes to allow for the breaks at either end with something like 45 minutes of content. If they don't curt for adverts, the running time will be roughly 75 minutes with probably about 55 minutes of content (you can do a 'back of beer mat to figure out exactly how much given advertising regulations).

So the show's running time WILL change either way, because it's now on a commercial network.It will either change a lot (if they run a 60 minute show with ads) or a little (if they run a 75 minute show with adverts). Either way, it will change.

Fundamentally, the running time of a show on the BBC is never the same as the running time of a show on a commercial network. So your statement is factually incorrect. In any case, the important question is not 'will the running time change', it is 'will the content of the show change'. Obviously, if they cut the 'content' time by a quarter, it will. If they maintain the content time by making the show longer, it may not. This we do not know yet, and won't for probably a year or so.
ftv
30-10-2016
Scott Mills has just mentioned on Points of View that there are two more programmes to go out over Christmas so I assume that means they've been recorded.
jonbwfc
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
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The show isn't being disassembled.”

No, it's been..what's the phrase demolition engineers use... "explosively redistributed"
DVDfever
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“As a fan, the location makes no difference to me. At the moment, we see a tent in a nice field, with the occasional shot of a country house. That could be any country house as far as I'm concerned.”

Does a show about baking really have to last 58 minutes without ads? How much of that is just filler? (pun not intended... filler, filling, etc.)
Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonbwfc:
“To be fair, a commercial channel running a show without commercials is pretty bloody rare occurrence. ”

Who said anything about them not having commercials?

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“Actually, yes it does, either way.”

Actually, no it doesn't.

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“The running time for GBBO is currently 58-ish minutes. If they cut for adverts the show will be roughly 55 minutes to allow for the breaks at either end with something like 45 minutes of content. If they don't curt for adverts, the running time will be roughly 75 minutes with probably about 55 minutes of content (you can do a 'back of beer mat to figure out exactly how much given advertising regulations).

So the show's running time WILL change either way, because it's now on a commercial network.It will either change a lot (if they run a 60 minute show with ads) or a little (if they run a 75 minute show with adverts). Either way, it will change. ”

Not necessarily. You, like everyone before you, is guessing.

Even with commercials it is entirely possible for the running time to stay the same as now.

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“Fundamentally, the running time of a show on the BBC is never the same as the running time of a show on a commercial network. So your statement is factually incorrect.”

How can my statement be "factually incorrect" when nobody has any idea what Channel 4's plan is? Which is precisely the point I'm making.
ftv
30-10-2016
Jay Hunt's statement that it will be ''exactly the same'' as the BBC original is clearly untrue.
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