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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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Mark.
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“With the BBC Bake Off, nobody watching gets up to make a cup of tea or pop to the loo in the middle of the baking for the showstopper.
A 3 minute break in the middle of the mad scramble to finish making the final products will make it a different show, like it or not”

Again, this is all guesswork.

Nobody knows where the ad breaks will be.
pedrok
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You quoted a post where I was specifically discussing the format. Whether or not you explicitly mentioned the format is irrelevant - it's not unreasonable to expect your post to also be referring to the format.

It really is as simple as that.

You're wrong. Let it go and move on instead of continuing to drag the thread off-topic.”

No. I never mentioned format at all. I only mentioned difference. And as you also mentioned differences then it was not specifically about the format.

If you are unable to seperate both issues perhaps you shouldn't attempt to discuss this as it is seemingly very confusing for you.
Steve9214
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Again, this is all guesswork.

Nobody knows where the ad breaks will be.”

In order to fit OFCOM guidelines the ad breaks will have to be inserted into the middle of some of the baking action.

Bake off will not get "special dispensation" just because C4 paid a stupid amount of money for it, or that they stole it from the BBC.
occy
30-10-2016
BBC wanted to bring back bake off for comic relief why would the company do that when the corporation didn't want anything to do with it. Can't have there cake and eat
it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mir...?client=safari
Aaron_2015
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“In order to fit OFCOM guidelines the ad breaks will have to be inserted into the middle of some of the baking action.

Bake off will not get "special dispensation" just because C4 paid a stupid amount of money for it, or that they stole it from the BBC.”

Nobody suggested it would.

The show will be edited accordingly in order to make the break have as little jarring affect as possible.
derek500
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“In order to fit OFCOM guidelines the ad breaks will have to be inserted into the middle of some of the baking action.”

No rules any more on when breaks have to be placed. It's just the number per slot and length.
skp20040
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by occy:
“BBC wanted to bring back bake off for comic relief why would the company do that when the corporation didn't want anything to do with it. Can't have there cake and eat
it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mir...?client=safari”

I think you will find that was before C4 won the new contract and one would have thought Love would have done it as it is a charity event. And it certainly wasn't too late for Love to make it as they claim. As for the BBC not wanting anything to do with it, where did you get that from ? the BBC offered them a 200% per series increase in fee Love wanted 400% and went elsewhere, short term greed rather than long term financial strategy if you ask me. If anyone comes out of this looking it is Love who if we remember did not even have the cash to start filming GBBO the BBC gave them a grant to do it for the first series in addition to their fee .
Captain Stable
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“With the BBC Bake Off, nobody watching gets up to make a cup of tea or pop to the loo in the middle of the baking for the showstopper.
A 3 minute break in the middle of the mad scramble to finish making the final products will make it a different show, like it or not”

One bank holiday the channel "Home" showed all of one of the previous seasons of Bake Off. Now I know they're NOT Channel 4, but their advert breaks were between rounds and it was perfectly watchable!
I doubt C4 want to annoy viewers by putting the ads in an awkward place!

And C4 HAVE cared about viewers in the past - they air the live Formula One races advert free! They don't have to, but they do it... (Not that I'm suggesting they'll air BO without ads, only that IMO they'll put them between rounds.)
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“I think you will find that was before C4 won the new contract and one would have thought Love would have done it as it is a charity event. And it certainly wasn't too late for Love to make it as they claim. As for the BBC not wanting anything to do with it, where did you get that from ? the BBC offered them a 200% per series increase in fee Love wanted 400% and went elsewhere, short term greed rather than long term financial strategy if you ask me. If anyone comes out of this looking it is Love who if we remember did not even have the cash to start filming GBBO the BBC gave them a grant to do it for the first series in addition to their fee .”

Agree, Love are giving there own spin, and you can see the BBC ststmrnts getting more curt back, that what Love are saying is just not true.

Love clearly have been shocked by the backlash and trying hard to win back public opinion. But they are not charitable, they cite working with 4 for charity specials, but the bottom line was they bargained hard. The said they wanted £25 million nothing less, something everyone knows the BBC just couldn't do.



Quote:
“However, the BBC's version is as follows: "We would have loved a Bake Off Comic Relief special but Love Productions refused to make it. They have now moved to Channel 4 and are making a charity programme with them - with which we wish them well."

And a source at the Beeb said that it "is preposterous nonsense and nothing more than a half baked accusation to suggest Love were willing to make a Comic Relief special when in fact they refused.
"It's since become very clear they never had any interest in continuing to make it for the BBC and they are moving to Channel 4. Love should be prepared to stand by their own decisions rather than seeking to blame others. We absolutely wanted to do another series of Comic Relief Bake Off and made that very clear to Love."”

ftv
30-10-2016
We all know perfectly well that a 200% increase was pure extortion to benefit the greed of the owners of LP and it couldn't possibly be justified, more fool C4 for paying it.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“We all know perfectly well that a 200% increase was pure extortion to benefit the greed of the owners of LP and it couldn't possibly be justified, more fool C4 for paying it.”

Agree on both counts.

To be honest the BBC should sue, they invested in that show. Like say a traditional husband and wife, in a divorce, and the lady was at home as a homemaker, ( this is just an example and roles could be swapped).

In my example the lady still contributed, maybe not cash, but a valued contribution. In a divorce she should get 50%. The BBC commissioned it, nurtured it, gave ideas to it, and made it the success it is. They by default have equal rights and an vested interest. In addition the BBC marketed it around the world to the benefit of Love.

Love then like a greedy husband has just gone off with a younger model and a lot of money!
Ash_M1
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“What difference does it make which house the tent is in the grounds of?

So far the only known differences are 3 out of the 4 presenters/judges. But that doesn't mean the actual format will be any different. The only claims that it will are coming from people who are throwing their toys out the pram.”

It will be different editorially too. Product placement? Sponsorship? and... er... everyone's' favourite - apart from Ash's - the fifteen minutes of ads an hour.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“It will be different editorially too. Product placement? Sponsorship? and... er... everyone's' favourite - apart from Ash's - the fifteen minutes of ads an hour.”

Too true,

Sainsbury's flour,
M&S aprons.
Mixer from Argos.
Lipstick from Avon.
skp20040
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“We all know perfectly well that a 200% increase was pure extortion to benefit the greed of the owners of LP and it couldn't possibly be justified, more fool C4 for paying it.”

C4 have paid more, the BBC offered them 200% increase which Love refused, Channel 4 have actually paid them a 400% increase on what they were getting from the BBC which is what love demanded from the BBC to stay.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“C4 have paid more, the BBC offered them 200% increase which Love refused, Channel 4 have actually paid them a 400% increase on what they were getting from the BBC which is what love demanded from the BBC to stay.”

Extortion is the word.
Janet43
30-10-2016
Mark, what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that -

if Channel 4 allow a one hour slot for the programme, the actual content will be shorter because adverts will have to be included in that one hour

if Channel 4 keep the one hour content, then the programme will have to have a slot of about one and a half hours to accommodate it and the adverts

Therefore, although we don't know which one it will be, whichever it is we do know it will be DIFFERENT to the one hour of continuous content that it had on the BBC.



Apart from different presenters and one different judge, we do also know that if the format is kept to signature. technical and show stopper challenges, the technical challenge will not be a Mary Berry recipe as about half of those on the BBC are. That is another DIFFERENCE.
Charnham
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Too true,

Sainsbury's flour,
M&S aprons.
Mixer from Argos.
Lipstick from Avon. ”

given the recent marriage for Sainsburys and Argos, I could totally see that working.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“given the recent marriage for Sainsburys and Argos, I could totally see that working.”

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A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Mark, what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that -

if Channel 4 allow a one hour slot for the programme, the actual content will be shorter because adverts will have to be included in that one hour

if Channel 4 keep the one hour content, then the programme will have to have a slot of about one and a half hours to accommodate it and the adverts

Therefore, although we don't know which one it will be, whichever it is we do know it will be DIFFERENT to the one hour of continuous content that it had on the BBC.



Apart from different presenters and one different judge, we do also know that if the format is kept to signature. technical and show stopper challenges, the technical challenge will not be a Mary Berry recipe as about half of those on the BBC are. That is another DIFFERENCE.”

Agree...
derek500
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“
if Channel 4 keep the one hour content, then the programme will have to have a slot of about one and a half hours to accommodate it and the adverts
”

Bake Off runs 59m.

Two most likely possibilities.

A shortened version (48m) with three 3m 50s breaks (the maximum Ofcom allow). That's what Sky did with Don't Tell The Bride.

A 75m slot with four 3m 50s breaks to keep the current length. This is what commercial broadcasters do with 60m imported shows that are ad free in their original broadcast.
derek500
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Too true,

Sainsbury's flour,
M&S aprons.
Mixer from Argos.
Lipstick from Avon. ”

.....fridges from Smeg. Oh hang on, they've already done that one!!
lundavra
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Agree on both counts.

To be honest the BBC should sue, they invested in that show. Like say a traditional husband and wife, in a divorce, and the lady was at home as a homemaker, ( this is just an example and roles could be swapped).

In my example the lady still contributed, maybe not cash, but a valued contribution. In a divorce she should get 50%. The BBC commissioned it, nurtured it, gave ideas to it, and made it the success it is. They by default have equal rights and an vested interest. In addition the BBC marketed it around the world to the benefit of Love.

Love then like a greedy husband has just gone off with a younger model and a lot of money!”

It would be nice if they did but with the amount of money that Love have got from Channel 4 they could even afford to hire Clononey's wife and drag it through the courts for ages.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“.....fridges from Smeg. Oh hang on, they've already done that one!!”

True.......

First seen on Red Dwarf.
A.D.P
30-10-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“It would be nice if they did but with the amount of money that Love have got from Channel 4 they could even afford to hire Clononey's wife and drag it through the courts for ages.”

True. But I bet Love directors have already spent it on their company dividends, Fast cars, houses,, . Yacht in Monte Carlo...
Aaron_2015
30-10-2016
I'm not entirely convinced taking legal action against Love Productions is a good use of public money...
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