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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“I've never watched it, but don't they have documentary segments that are cut when shown on a commercial channel repeat...”

They do, and they are.

For some reason those documentary segments gained a lot more fans once the move to Channel 4 was confirmed and the unfounded speculation about a reduction in running time began.

Funny, that.
Ginger Daddy
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“They do, and they are.

For some reason those documentary segments gained a lot more fans once the move to Channel 4 was confirmed and the unfounded speculation about a reduction in running time began.

Funny, that.”

Those documentary segments are only 2/3 minutes at most and dont occur every week, a lot more than that will have to go if they want to shoehorn the maximum number of adverts into an hour long slot. Format may still be staying the same but the programme will just feel rushed. Unless its going to 70/75 minutes, which I cant see happening.
derek500
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“True. Keeping the programme in the schedules at an hour and adding in 18 (is that the maximum allowed?) minutes of adverts without changing the format will certainly make the programme very rushed from the 58(?) minute one we have been used to, and will give it a totally different feel.”

Three 3m50s internal breaks is Ofcom's maximum.
Ginger Daddy
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Three 3m50s internal breaks is Ofcom's maximum.”

Now add in the ones at the end of the hour after the programme.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Those documentary segments are only 2/3 minutes at most and dont occur every week, a lot more than that will have to go if they want to shoehorn the maximum number of adverts into an hour long slot. Format may still be staying the same but the programme will just feel rushed. ”

I've suggested in the past that people watch an episode on Good Food to see how it is fitted into an hour-long slot. But nobody seemed willing to do so.

Quote:
“Unless its going to 70/75 minutes, which I cant see happening.”

For the third time today: we don't know what Channel 4's plans are. They have, and still do, use longer slots in primetime so it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that they will do so for Bake Off to ensure they have as near as possible an hour of actual programme.
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I've suggested in the past that people watch an episode on Good Food to see how it is fitted into an hour-long slot. But nobody seemed willing to do so.



For the third time today: we don't know what Channel 4's plans are. They have, and still do, use longer slots in primetime so it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that they will do so for Bake Off to ensure they have as near as possible an hour of actual programme.”

There seems to be an obsession about it being an hour long - to the point that some can't see it being anything other than an hur.

Strange, for a channel that even run programmes in 65 minute slots...

But hasn't all of this debate been done before, verbatim? The only new information is from Paul Hollywood but the same, tired, old arguments are being rehashed.

All that's missing is a certain poster's talk of corruption and disgraceful behaviour...
Nilrem
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Why would the tent be at a different location?

It's stll a Love Production but for C4 not BBC. ”

Because the tent was in the grounds of a property that was not owned by Love Production, and from memory the owners of the property have said they're not happy with the change and won't be renewing their agreement with the production company.

Which means that for a show that's not changing a bit they've:
Lost 3 out of 4 of a very well oiled and effective presenting team.
Going to have to alter either the air time or the run time of the show to allow for adverts (or include a lot of product placement if they do away with the adverts and rely on having things like Homepride flour and Bosch appliances).
Move the show to a different location for filming - possibly the most minor one on screen, but potentially it'll make it harder off screen (if you do filming at the same location time after time you tend to get used to where everything is, and get to know the locals).
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nilrem:
“Because the tent was in the grounds of a property that was not owned by Love Production, and from memory the owners of the property have said they're not happy with the change and won't be renewing their agreement with the production company.

Which means that for a show that's not changing a bit they've:
Lost 3 out of 4 of a very well oiled and effective presenting team.
Going to have to alter either the air time or the run time of the show to allow for adverts (or include a lot of product placement if they do away with the adverts and rely on having things like Homepride flour and Bosch appliances).
Move the show to a different location for filming - possibly the most minor one on screen, but potentially it'll make it harder off screen (if you do filming at the same location time after time you tend to get used to where everything is, and get to know the locals).”

Who said it wasn't "changing a bit"?
lundavra
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Three 3m50s internal breaks is Ofcom's maximum.”

They tend to extend the 3 minutes by having a series of trailers for other programmes so usually much lomger than 3 minutes.
lundavra
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“Who said it wasn't "changing a bit"?”

Hollywood is quoted as saying that it "will stay the same". The "stay the same" it will have to not change a bit".
ftv
08-12-2016
I notice that the recent programmes the BBC has put out to tender (although that does not preclude BBC Studios from pitching) there is a strong statement that the intellectual rights to the programmes remain with the BBC (ie the independent producer cannot sell it to someone else).Shutting the stable door ?
David_Flett1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Three 3m50s internal breaks is Ofcom's maximum.”

Unfortunately this only applies to adverts and not promotional trailers that are shown within an hour slot. It is why you will find the run time of commercial episodes of shows generally lasting 43-45 minutes. So there could be a 3 minute saving there alone and obviously Channel 4 have been known to have shows that extend beyond the conventional hour slot.

There is a lot of speculation about how the GBBO will develop such as the format, who will replace three of the main presenters and even running time. The format won't change dramatically and even if the tent moves to a different location, that is secondary to it still being a tent where 99% of the show is features the inside of the tent not where it is pitched. The most important part of the GBBO was the chemistry of the presenters and the stars themselves "the bakers" and provided they can replicate that then I'm sure the GBBO will find fans of the GBBO still tuning in.

I also agree with sat-ire that many are just going over old debates that have already been posted many times before.
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“Hollywood is quoted as saying that it "will stay the same". The "stay the same" it will have to not change a bit".”

From the person who seems to know what length Channel 4 will run the programme to...

Can you post the relevant quote?

Because the quote I've read only said certain aspects were staying the same not that it "wasn't changing a bit".
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“I notice that the recent programmes the BBC has put out to tender (although that does not preclude BBC Studios from pitching) there is a strong statement that the intellectual rights to the programmes remain with the BBC (ie the independent producer cannot sell it to someone else).Shutting the stable door ?”

Well, no, because where a programme is put out to tender, the BBC always retain the intellectual rights.

GBBO was a programme that the BBC commissioned after having the idea pitched to them. Love Productions always retained the intellectual rights.
Baz_James
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“From the person who seems to know what length Channel 4 will run the programme to...

Can you post the relevant quote?

Because the quote I've read only said certain aspects were staying the same not that it "wasn't changing a bit".”

Might this be the relevant piece?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38237763
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Might this be the relevant piece?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38237763”

Which was the article quoted earlier.

I can see a little bit of mischief-making with the headline (which isn't his, of course) and the selective quoting in the first line which, when put in context later on, means something quite different.

So can you please quote where he says it won't be changing a bit?
Baz_James
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“Which was the article quoted earlier.

I can see a little bit of mischief-making with the headline (which isn't his, of course) and the selective quoting in the first line which, when put in context later on, means something quite different.

So can you please quote where he says it won't be changing a bit?”

Well to be fair to the earlier poster he does say "quoted as saying" not being any more privy to the actual interview than any of us until it's actually broadcast. We'll just have to wait and see.
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Well to be fair to the earlier poster he does say "quoted as saying" not being any more privy to the actual interview than any of us until it's actually broadcast. We'll just have to wait and see.”

Ok, then, where has he been quoted as saying the programme will not be changing a bit?

Or are you confusing "format" for programme as a whole.

For example: despite a different presenter and guests each week, not to mention the odd different round, the format of HIGNFY doesn't change.
And when it's interrupted by commercials on Dave or Dave Ja Vu, it is STILL the case that the format hasn't changed.

And that's what Paul Hollywood has been quoted as saying in relation to this programme, as well as mentioning some other aspects.

Nowhere have I seen him quoted as saying the programme won't be changing a bit. The two people here who claim he did haven't been able to provide the relevant quote.

Any of us can lift a few words from an overall quote to give it different context and meaning. That's what the BBC did in the first line of that article.
Baz_James
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“Any of us can lift a few words from an overall quote to give it different context and meaning. That's what the BBC did in the first line of that article.”

Indeed. Might one suggest that you could be doing that very thing with an overly rigid interpretation of 'not change a bit' and an insistence that he actually be shown to have used those very words?

I take it to mean that apart from the presenters and the advert breaks you won't be able to tell the difference between an episode on BBC and one on C4. That, on the face of it, appears to be what Hollywood is promising if he is being quoted accurately. It will only be possible to be absolutely sure though when we see the actual interview, so holding fire might be the best thing at this point.
mossy2103
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Well obviously the presenters are changing - I doubt Hollywood knows much about it.”

Unless he's now been made Executive Producer (or similar) of course. Or he has the "ear" of the producers.

Which I doubt.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Unless he's now been made Executive Producer (or similar) of course.”

So only the Executive Producer ("or similar") of a show knows what format a show will take?

The absurdity continues...
mossy2103
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“So only the Executive Producer ("or similar") of a show knows what format a show will take?

The absurdity continues...”

Yes, absurd when the post that I replied to (and quoted) was this short bit:

Quote:
“Well obviously the presenters are changing - I doubt Hollywood knows much about it.”

The producers/exec producers are likely to know much more about "it" and the plans for the show than Hollywood I would have thought. Hence my reply.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Yes, absurd when the post that I replied to (and quoted) was this short bit:

The producers/exec producers are likely to know much more about "it" and the plans for the show than Hollywood I would have thought. Hence my reply.”

Nobody said anything about knowing much more about "it".

Which is why your post implies that the only people who know "much" about a programme are the Executive Producers ("or similar"). If that's not what you meant, then your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Anyone who thinks that Paul Hollywood isn't regularly updated and/or consulted on the plans for GBBO on Channel 4 is deluded quite frankly.
sat-ire
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Indeed. Might one suggest that you could be doing that very thing with an overly rigid interpretation of 'not change a bit' and an insistence that he actually be shown to have used those very words?

I take it to mean that apart from the presenters and the advert breaks you won't be able to tell the difference between an episode on BBC and one on C4. That, on the face of it, appears to be what Hollywood is promising if he is being quoted accurately. It will only be possible to be absolutely sure though when we see the actual interview, so holding fire might be the best thing at this point.”

Somebody above said "not changing a bit", you suggested the somebody above was referring to Hollywood's interview where he did anything but say the show was "not changing a bit".

He said the format, and some other aspects, weren't changing. At no point has he suggested that the show is "not changing a bit". That's not having a "rigid interpretation", that is two quite different things...
mossy2103
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Nobody said anything about knowing much more about "it".

Which is why your post implies that the only people who know "much" about a programme are the Executive Producers ("or similar"). If that's not what you meant, then your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.”

If you wish to continue to pick apart every single word, every single nuance, every single phrase (and the read in your own interpretation, right or wrong), that's up to you.

Quote:
“Anyone who thinks that Paul Hollywood isn't regularly updated and/or consulted on the plans for GBBO on Channel 4 is deluded quite frankly.”

Why would he be regularly consulted? Or are you assuming that would be the case?
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