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BBC Loses Great British Bakeoff
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Ash_M1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You also don't know what a format is. So it's pointless trying to discuss this with you.”

Oh I am very clear on what a format is. You can attempt to defend 4, Love Productions, Bake Off on 4 all you like. Our views won't be changed. We will vote with our remotes and teach Love and 4 a lesson. You don't take a BBC programme away from BBC viewers (on grounds of greed) and expect us to be happy about it. Not a chance.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Is it panto season already?

What you're talking about is how the programme is broadcast. The format of a programme is the general structure and characteristic elements.

The former is changing; the latter, we're told, isn't.”

Seems it is with you totally ignoring FACTS.

IMDb
Twelve amateur bakers are on a quest to be named the U.K.'s best baker. Over the course of 10 weeks, renowned British bakers Mary Berry ( format change) and Paul Hollywood judge the contestants on their skills at making cakes, breads, pastries and desserts of all kinds. The challenges for the bakers come in three categories: Signature Bake, Technical Bake and the Showstopper Bake. As each week goes on, the challenges become more and more difficult. Hosted by British comedy writing duo Sue Perkins and Mel Giedroyc, ( format change) the series comes to PBS after its successful run in Britain.
Nominations: British Academy Television - Radio Times Audience Award, More
Presented by: Mel Giedroyc, Sue Perkins- changed, part of the show since its start.
Judges: Mary Berry, Paul Hollywood Mary part of the show since its start.
Spin-off: The Great British Bake Off: An Extra Slice
Awards: National Television Award for Most Popular Challenge Show, British Academy Television Award for Best Features

No mention of Product placement.

Now whilst on paper a format might say, cooking in a tent, over ten weeks with three challenges, the format has developed with viewers loving Mary's skills and knowledge, and the format developed with Mel and Sues innuendos. All of this makes the current format of the show. The BBC actually changed the format from its first season as it didn't do well.
Mel Sue Mary have become integral to the format, you can't strip them out, it changes the show. No product placement before, no zooming in on a product to get extra income, it will ruin the format.
Ash_M1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I'm glad you now accept it's not the format that's changing.”

I've agreed to no such thing. I have just reinforced and reiterated everything I've said in this thread.

Ads, product placement, re-caps, sponsorship break bumpers, no Mel, Sue or Mary means the Bake Off loved by millions no longer exists despite you attempting to argue otherwise.
Mark.
08-12-2016
There's little point in continuing this.

Neither of you know what a format is in the context of programme-making. Neither of you are prepared to find out.

I know I'm right. Many more know I'm right. That's all that matters.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You also don't know what a format is. So it's pointless trying to discuss this with you.”

Actually you do not hence you have given up,
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“How it is broadcast will definitely change for the worse. Given that it will be on an ad-channel, have product placement, re-caps and no Mel, Sue and Mary, the general structure and the characteristics of the Beeb's version will be lost too. The only thing that wont change is the name. Otherwise, it is an entirely different show.”

Agree.
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I'm glad you now accept it's not the format that's changing.”

He didn't, you think he has.
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Oh I am very clear on what a format is. You can attempt to defend 4, Love Productions, Bake Off on 4 all you like. Our views won't be changed. We will vote with our remotes and teach Love and 4 a lesson. You don't take a BBC programme away from BBC viewers (on grounds of greed) and expect us to be happy about it. Not a chance.”

Agree.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“I've agreed to no such thing. I have just reinforced and reiterated everything I've said in this thread.

Ads, product placement, re-caps, sponsorship break bumpers, no Mel, Sue or Mary means the Bake Off loved by millions no longer exists despite you attempting to argue otherwise.”

Agree you are being deliberately taken out of context.
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“There's little point in continuing this.

Neither of you know what a format is in the context of programme-making. Neither of you are prepared to find out.

I know I'm right. Many more know I'm right. That's all that matters.”

Yes you know your right, we 99% of us know your wrong!
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Now whilst on paper a format might say, cooking in a tent, over ten weeks with three challenges”

Finally you get it.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Agree you are being deliberately taken out of context.

Yes you know your right, we 99% of us know your wrong!”

99%. Oh dear.

Anyon who knows the English language knows what a format is.

I suspect the only reason you're changing that definition is because it suits your anti-Love, anti-C4 agenda.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Finally you get it.”

Mark not finally I get it, you do not, hence you edit my post, a " format" develops and becomes far more then an original paper idea, now everyone can see your argument was lost as you had to edit my post!
Ash_M1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“There's little point in continuing this.

Neither of you know what a format is in the context of programme-making. Neither of you are prepared to find out.

I know I'm right. Many more know I'm right. That's all that matters.”

With respect, you are far from right. If 'the BBC show' moved to 4 in it's current format minus ads, product placement, competitions...hosted by Paul and Mary, Mel and Sue...then you could say nothing changes. We know, however, that this isn't going to happen, not by a long shot. You therefore have, to all intents and purposes, a new show...whilst BBC viewers have lost a show they loved. The only winners here (in the short term) are Love Productions. Furthermore, it will lose all it's innocence. 4 will turn it into Big Brother.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Mark not finally I get it, you do not, hence you edit my post, a " format" develops and becomes far more then an original paper idea, now everyone can see your argument was lost as you had to edit my post!”

But none of what you said has developed the format. It's changed the way the programme is delivered, but the basic format of 12 bakers carrying out three challenges over 10 weeks is exactly the same. And is, we're told, staying the same.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“With respect, you are far from right. If 'the BBC show' moved to 4 in it's current format minus ads, product placement, competitions...hosted by Paul and Mary, Mel and Sue...then you could say nothing changes. We know, however, that this isn't going to happen, not by a long shot. You therefore have, to all intents and purposes, a new show...whilst BBC viewers have lost a show they loved. The only winners here (in the short term) are Love Productions.”

I didn't say nothing changes.

I said the format isn't necessarily changing (and it isn't, based on today's comments).
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“99%. Oh dear.

Anyon who knows the English language knows what a format is.

I suspect the only reason you're changing that definition is because it suits your anti-Love, anti-C4 agenda.”

A format developed not just an original paper idea, but a format with key people, three gone, and innuendo that's gone etc....anyone who does know English and TV and copywriter knows thst, you are splitting hairs.

It's interesting on these boards when someone is proven wrong they respond with labels and name calling and making up things. Then you know their argument has been totally lost.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I didn't say nothing changes.

I said the format isn't necessarily changing (and it isn't, based on today's comments).”

It's the basis of your argument actually as I read it otherwise why are we wasting this time?
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“A format developed not just an original paper idea, but a format with key people, three gone, and innuendo that's gone etc....anyone who does know English and TV and copywriter knows thst, you are splitting hairs.

It's interesting on these boards when someone is proven wrong they respond with labels and name calling and making up things. Then you know their argument has been totally lost.”

I'm not wrong.

You do not know what a format is, and are not prepared to accept being told that. You've got an idea in your head and won't let go of it. Despite the fact you're arguing against the actual definition.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“But none of what you said has developed the format. It's changed the way the programme is delivered, but the basic format of 12 bakers carrying out three challenges over 10 weeks is exactly the same. And is, we're told, staying the same.”

The format changed / developed,

If Love went to court on copyright on the format they would say. The BBC has copied our format with a Cookery competition hosted by Mary Sue and Mel with innuendos.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“It's the basis of your argument actually as I read it otherwise why are we wasting this time?”

What on earth are you on about now?
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“What on earth are you on about now?”

Sorry you do not understand
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“The format changed / developed,”

Only after the first series. Then loosely after the second when the number of contensants increased.

Since then, the format has stayed the same. Three challenges, one judged blind and 12 contestants, with one eliminated each week until three remain in the final.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Sorry you do not understand ”

I'd be genuinely concerned about my health if I could understand that post.
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Only after the first series. Then loosely after the second when the number of contensants increased.

Since then, the format has stayed the same. Three challenges, one judged blind and 12 contestants, with one eliminated each week until three remain in the final.”

Hurray you get it now! You agree a " format" develops! You get it.

We can go to bed now!
A.D.P
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I'd be genuinely concerned about my health if I could understand that post.”

I am for you.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Hurray you get it now! You agree a " format" develops! You get it.

We can go to bed now!”

I've never said otherwise.

What you've been "arguing" isn't the development of a format. It's been about the delivery of the format.

The format can remain the same on Channel 4 regardless of the personnel involved. That's an undeniable fact.
Ash_M1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“I'm not wrong.

You do not know what a format is, and are not prepared to accept being told that. You've got an idea in your head and won't let go of it. Despite the fact you're arguing against the actual definition.”

Viewers define 'format' as that that appears on screen. To the viewer, a format is more than how many weeks a show runs for, how many contestants there are and how many rounds there are. You define 'format' as simply the skeleton/the bare bones. It is so much more than that. Neighbours changed for the worse when it left the BBC. The Voice will change for the worse too. Pretending there will be no changes whatsoever is not being true-full to be honest. What Paul says is simply misleading. He should know better.
Mark.
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Viewers define 'format' as that that appears on screen. To the viewer, a format is more than how many weeks a show runs for, how many contestants there are and how many rounds there are. You define 'format' as simply the skeleton/the bare bones. It is so much more than that. Neighbours changed for the worse when it left the BBC. The Voice will change for the worse too. Pretending there will be no changes whatsoever is not being true-full to be honest. What Paul says is simply misleading. He should know better.”

I care about the actual definition of format, not the one made up by people with an agenda to push.
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