If the BBC did a ten week series, with twelve contestants using three rounds based in a tent, Love may have a case. Otherwise they won't. How formats and ideas develop and change are not down to one person. It is a collective process.

Neither BBC nor C5 has or had any input into what goes on in Neighbours. If it changed for the worse (and I'm far from sure that I agree with that) it had absolutely nothing to do with the change of channels on which it was shown.

Oh, I'm just expressing what most people will say. You and Paul are essentially saying nothing changes with the move to 4. We all know that that is not true. I've explained why on numerous occasions yet you still come back to argue. I assume you either work for 4 or Love Productions? Your defence of the indefensible draws me to these conclusions.

The filmic effect arrived with the move to Five.
I don't need to mention the ads, competitions and sponsorship break bumpers...
Editorially, it has had a negative impact too. I saw an ep recently which featured umpteen union jacks in various places. I couldn't understand why. It turns out that it was part of a competition. Not good. Furthermore, I don't like Ch5. It is a cheapy channel.

Essentially, Neighbours feels like an entirely different show on Five.

So the format has been changed on shows like SCD, The Voice, BGT, all have had different presenters and judges.

I'd beg to differ, a change of presenter and/or judge does not necessarily change the format of the show, it may look or feel different, but that's it.

We're not saying nothing changes. We're (or rather he is) saying the format won't change. Which is entirely possible.

Oh dear. The classic "you must work for X" line. Always a sign that someone isn't worth engaging with any more.

Channel 5 are the largest funders of Neighbours. They most certainty do have input into Neighbours. More people watch it here than in Australia.

Many others cottoned that a long time ago.

I'm glad people do engage with him, he's as entertaining as usual tonight...always good for a laugh.

They do not make production decisions. They buy it in the same way as any other independently produced programme, along with stations from all over the world including New Zealand, Kenya, Canada, and USA. There have been promotional tie-ups like the recent competition but that's a very different thing from decisions on cast, script, and film tech.

You are wasting your time, all you get back is the Love/CH4 PR.

It's funny, when I turn the TV on it is not to watch the "format" or "concept" or any other PR BS. I watch programmes and it blindingly obvious that the programme is going to change significantly.

It really is classic Digital Spy Broadcasting in here today.

"I don't agree with you, therefore you work for the company I'm attacking".

It's the forum equivalent of "yea, but your mother".

In which the programme itself will still finish within the 60 mins, with the rest taken up by ads.

The BBC is very careful with Strictly.

This is Len's last year so I can see there being very few other changes in the next series - so the current Pro's will be kept on as much as possible IMHO.

Everything is tiny steps - you don't notice the changes.

Losing 1 x judge and both presenters is not "tiny changes".
This is X-Factor type wholesale changes - and look how that is doing ratings-wise.

Either that went way above your head or you didn't follow the discussion at all.

is the world still turning? i thought it had fallen off its axis when it was announced that this twee little baking show was leaving the BEEB.

SCD lost its main presenter and one judge not so long ago, a big change but the format of the show didn't change. It won't change with Len gone.

The Voice had two new presenters and two new judges, again, a big change, but the format stayed the same.

GBBO will have one new judge and two new presenters, providing they keep the 12 bakers in a tent doing three challenges with two judges and two presenters the format will be kept intact.

OK who resurrected this thread and inflicted ASH on us again?!

Fine.then don't respond. Suits me.


Unless you have inside knowledge, you cannot know this for sure. It's just an assumption on your part.

Even though I don't accept that he is likely to be consulted I accept that he might be informed (by Love or C4) as to developments. It's 50/50 as to whether this information will be purely of a PR nature designed to calm nerves (not literally of course), and PH is simply a convenient conduit whom the public are more likely to believe.

Hollywood will be told by the producers what he will be doing that's how television works

Yes, that was my earlier point. It's the production team who know what they are doing (they've been doing it long enough so should not need any additional advice as long as they are sticking to the same format).

Ding, ding, ding...told you.

It is quite funny. This is a programme moving from the BBC to Channel 4. One can't help but wonder about the reaction on here had it been the other way and people were criticising the BBC.

I think we should take a well earned break from this thread and revisit in 2018 when there really is something to debate, how long, how many breaks, how many product placements, who are the presenters, has the chemistry changed, are the contestants as good as previous episodes. So many points to discuss but of course we can't discuss what has changed until we know what Love Productions and CH4 bring us somewhere around 2018 maybe even 2019 by that time I'm not sure I'll be around.

You've missed the point, the programme was developed with licence payer money and now a commercial company has profited by selling it at what appears to be a hugely inflated price with many elements missing (a bit like selling the Morecambe and Wise Show without M&W). That would not apply if the programme had moved from C4 to the BBC.And ITV said the reason they did not bid was that the producers could not guarantee any of the original judges or presenters.

Precisely.

I resurrected the thread yesterday because it gave a hint as to what the plans were from one of the main participants who, regardless of what anyone tries to say, will be "in the loop". But unfortunately the usual straw man arguments about adverts, running time and product placement were wheeled-out.

It's actually quite sad that people are simply writing the show off before even giving it a chance. They've made up their mind up that no matter Love and Channel 4 do, it will be ruined.