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kitkat1971
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by ChipDouglas82:
“As usual with the haters, they are letting their dislike of the girl cloud their judgement. She could save the whole street from a fire in the rovers, and they'd still hate her!!!

I think with a lot regarding Sophie on here, its jealousy disguised as hate.”

Oh yet again, anybody that doesn't like a fictional character must feel that way because they are jealous of the actresses good looks I presume.

It is so insulting. As insulting as saying that anybody that likes the character must do so because they fancy the actress because of her good looks.

It has nothing to do with looks - it is the characters behaviour that I dislike and that hasn't always been the case.

Sophie was one of my favourite characters for many years. She was by far the nicest of the kids growing up on the show and that continued into early adulthood. It is only the past 3 years or so that i have come to dislike her. As she has been played by the same actress with the same good looks through all that time, how can jealousy have anything to do with my opinion when it has been both positive and negative. Can you explain that please?
callumfreeman
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by ChipDouglas82:
“As usual with the haters, they are letting their dislike of the girl cloud their judgement. She could save the whole street from a fire in the rovers, and they'd still hate her!!!

I think with a lot regarding Sophie on here, its jealousy disguised as hate.”

Only because it would be to fit her own agenda. She would only save someone from a fire if they happened to be a pretty young girl, then she will use the emotional trauma to manipulate and lure them to her bed, whilst at the same time using the cover that she is a "Christian" and trying to do good.
Belligerence
13-09-2016
She's a sanctimonious bint, always sticking her nose in and ruining things for other people.

Caz is no saint and she'll get her comeuppance eventually. But we have to put up with token lesbian Sophie.
Sweet_Chocolate
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Oh yet again, anybody that doesn't like a fictional character must feel that way because they are jealous of the actresses good looks I presume.

It is so insulting. As insulting as saying that anybody that likes the character must do so because they fancy the actress because of her good looks.

It has nothing to do with looks - it is the characters behaviour that I dislike and that hasn't always been the case.

Sophie was one of my favourite characters for many years. She was by far the nicest of the kids growing up on the show and that continued into early adulthood. It is only the past 3 years or so that i have come to dislike her. As she has been played by the same actress with the same good looks through all that time, how can jealousy have anything to do with my opinion when it has been both positive and negative. Can you explain that please?”

Look at ChipDouglas82's profile. According to him he is the "defender" of women on DS, and is sometimes seen sniffing about on here calling others haters of women for disliking female characters and puts it down to jealousy. He even considers himself a White Knight, because defending fictional characters makes you heroic.
jsmith99
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by SecretLifeoBees:
“I used to like Sophie, but in recent years she has become plain horrible. She is judgemental, a stirrer, unforgiving, shows no unconditional positive regard for others, little in the way of empathy...... I could go on.”

A fairly typical CofE christian, then?
kitkat1971
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Sweet_Chocolate:
“Look at ChipDouglas82's profile. According to him he is the "defender" of women on DS, and is sometimes seen sniffing about on here calling others haters of women for disliking female characters and puts it down to jealousy. He even considers himself a White Knight, because defending fictional characters makes you heroic.”

The irony being, that this 'defence' of women takes the form of attacking other women - assuming that anything they say must be down to negative emotions.

It is very insulting and offensive to women to make out that they can't control emotions such as jealousy to come to an informed opinion as to liking another woman (and that includes pretty young girls) based purely on their character (real or fictional) and actions.

I'm not just talking about this particular poster by the way, but anybody that makes this allegation (and it does come up a lot) about posters who they have never met.

Of course some women get jealous of people prettier, younger, more successful etc. So do some men. But there are a lot of other reasons for dislike to form.

But i digress.

It was really the Jenna storyline that started my dislike for Sophie. How she kept chasing her despite being told time and time again that it was inappropriate and could cost Jenna her career - which it ultimately did.

It's just got worse and worse since then.
doormouse
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Indeed. Is she still a Christian She doesn't seem to have any Christian values mind when she was a Christian she stole from her Dad so I suppose she was never much good at it.”

Just about to say something similar. Not much evidence of any christian forgiveness or compassion. She's turned into a spiteful, sneery girl.
ewoodie
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Oh yet again, anybody that doesn't like a fictional character must feel that way because they are jealous of the actresses good looks I presume.

It is so insulting. As insulting as saying that anybody that likes the character must do so because they fancy the actress because of her good looks.

It has nothing to do with looks - it is the characters behaviour that I dislike and that hasn't always been the case.

Sophie was one of my favourite characters for many years. She was by far the nicest of the kids growing up on the show and that continued into early adulthood. It is only the past 3 years or so that i have come to dislike her. As she has been played by the same actress with the same good looks through all that time, how can jealousy have anything to do with my opinion when it has been both positive and negative. Can you explain that please?”

I said that but only because I've seen the poster on other threads. He isn't a defender of all women but a defender of women he's interested in. He said so on another thread. So for him to come on this thread and call posters names and make silly accusations under the guise of defender of women is not entirely truthful.
ewoodie
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“The irony being, that this 'defence' of women takes the form of attacking other women - assuming that anything they say must be down to negative emotions.

It is very insulting and offensive to women to make out that they can't control emotions such as jealousy to come to an informed opinion as to liking another woman (and that includes pretty young girls) based purely on their character (real or fictional) and actions.

I'm not just talking about this particular poster by the way, but anybody that makes this allegation (and it does come up a lot) about posters who they have never met.

Of course some women get jealous of people prettier, younger, more successful etc. So do some men. But there are a lot of other reasons for dislike to form.

But i digress.

It was really the Jenna storyline that started my dislike for Sophie. How she kept chasing her despite being told time and time again that it was inappropriate and could cost Jenna her career - which it ultimately did.

It's just got worse and worse since then.”


Definitely. A very nasty assumption often made about women. Women are quite capable of appreciating the looks etc of other women and maybe being jealous but they don't necessarily hate them. A good example for me is Strictly Come Dancing. Lots of the dancers look great. I love to see them all dressed up and looking fabulous but I don't hate them. Someone might have a car or a piece of jewellery I like. I will say it's fab and that I'm jealous but I don't hate them for it! People can be jealous without necessarily disliking the person etc.

Sophie Webster is ok looking but she certainly doesn't invoke hatred because of her looks.

Anyway this thread is more about the personality of the character and in general the responses to her character and behaviour are fairly accurate.
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by ChipDouglas82:
“As usual with the haters, they are letting their dislike of the girl cloud their judgement. She could save the whole street from a fire in the rovers, and they'd still hate her!!!

I think with a lot regarding Sophie on here, its jealousy disguised as hate.”

Maybe she should save the whole street by getting rid of the hot pot recipe in the pub and there may be more love shown on here. Until that happens I'll continue to be jealous of her, but I'll disguise it as hate her. Just for your info, it's insulting to call her a girl, she's a full grown woman.
russ75
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Only because Maria guilted her into it and we saw Sophie trying to call a halt to the search and looking quite disappointed when they found her.

She was also happy to announce that she had only done it for Maria, in front of Caz, so making it very clear that she didn't actually care on jot for her welfare and she wasn't welcome back.

Sophie has turned into an absolutely horrid character over the past few years. Ever since Sian left i'd say, possibly a little earlier with the flirtation with Amber.”

When Sophie and Maria found Caz she was really rude to Sophie in two full scenes but yet again people on here just ignore that
Hankshaw
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by russ75:
“When Sophie and Maria found Caz she was really rude to Sophie in two full scenes but yet again people on here just ignore that”

And you're ignoring the scene before that when Caz walked in on Sophie making fun of her.
kitkat1971
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by russ75:
“When Sophie and Maria found Caz she was really rude to Sophie in two full scenes but yet again people on here just ignore that”

I'll have to rewatch it.
I'm not doubting you, Caz has never hidden her dislike for Sophie - it's pretty mutual. But let's not pretend that Sophie looked for her out of concern for Caz or tried to be friendly when she was found.
kitkat1971
14-09-2016
Right, just rewatched that scene at the Shelter.

Maria gets in the car and Sophie states that it is a needle in a haystack and they should give up as Caz might not even be in Manchester. Maria says she doesn't think she'll have gone far and Sophie replies that it is her wishful thinking. On Maria's reprachful look, she replies that it was a joke. She then repeats they should call it a day and Maria replies "just one more place".

Caz then walks round the corner, towards the shelter and Maria gets out to greet her. Sophie follows after a few seconds.

Cas does indeed say "what is she doing here" in quite a horrible way, but given their history, including walking in on Sophie taking the piss out her snogging Maria only hours earlier, perhaps unsurprising. Sophie responds "charming" rather than expressing any actual concern.

She then stands in the background rolling her eyes.

Next scene, as they arrive back on the street - Sophie asks Maria is she will "be all right now" - implying is it safe too leave her alone with Caz. Caz picks up on this and asks "what does that mean". She then sarcastically says "thanks" to Sophie for looking for her and Maria reproaches her for it. Kate and Aidan turn up, have a go at Caz and Sophie makes it clear that she only looked for her for Maria's sake.

I'd say Caz and Sophie were fairly evenly matched re being nasty and sarcastic to each other in those exchanges.

Difference is, Caz is presented as a psycho, Sophie is presented as a kind hearted girl of faith.

So, Sophie's faults are always going to seem more jaRring. Because she is meant to be the 'goodie' in this.
notdebbiedingle
14-09-2016
Brooke Vincent is actually gorgeous & has the most beautiful smile, as does Sophie!!
Only problem is, if we've seen it more than about half a dozen times in the years since the Sian character left the Street then I don't remember it!!
Even the year she was with Maddie, the supposed love of her life, any 'fun' they had seemed to involve sneering at other characters, rather than being a happy couple of young lovers!!
Like Kitkat I always loved the young Sophie & she & Sian were two of the sweetest characters the show has ever produced, even though I hated the idea of turning them lesbian at the time they won me round as a couple too for the same reason!!

However since those times there really is no getting away from the fact Sophie has turned into a perpetually scowling misery guts, passing judgement in a most unChristian way on all & sundry, pretty much like her mother only without the 'humour' factor & without any other sides to her character!!
I honestly don't thnk in Sophie's case the dislike stems from jealousy as I feel exactly the same way & I'm a 52 year old bloke!!
Mark_Stewart1
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Yes Sophie can be seriously annoying at times but that's down to the writers who it seems have no clue where to go with the character.”

It's also partly to do with Brooke Vincent, her voice really grates sometimes and she often gets this mardy look on her face. Perhaps with a different actress the writers could be inspired to take Sophie in new directions.
russ75
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by Hankshaw:
“And you're ignoring the scene before that when Caz walked in on Sophie making fun of her.”

After the way Caz threatened her in the Rovers toliets and called her a sad cow a couple of months ago, I'm not surprised Sophie doesn't like her
ewoodie
14-09-2016
The main problem with the character of Sophie is that she spends most of her time on lesbian SLs/issues and with being a lesbian. That's because she is a lesbian and can only be seen chatting with lesbians, interacting with lesbians, pursuing lesbians, kissing lesbians, dissing lesbians and generally being a lesbian. When anything remotely lesbian happens on Corrie, Sophie the lesbian is always there.

Sophie Webster is a lesbian and therefore must always be involved lesbian stuff and lesbian issues.
pete137
14-09-2016
The only thing they can do now to save Sophie is bring back Sian. Its the only time she was ever bearable. I cant take another year of her walking round the street with a face like a slapped arse in her baggy jumpers. Let her be a happy lesbian again with Sexy Sian.
callumfreeman
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I'd say Caz and Sophie were fairly evenly matched re being nasty and sarcastic to each other in those exchanges.

Difference is, Caz is presented as a psycho, Sophie is presented as a kind hearted girl of faith.

So, Sophie's faults are always going to seem more jaRring. Because she is meant to be the 'goodie' in this.”

Unfortunately this is what it is like with Corrie. Some characters are "in the right" and some are in "the wrong", no matter what either of these characters are like. It is like the factory situation, Jenny is treated as an outright villain, whereas the bone idle factory workers are meant to be the 'lovable" ones that I am guessing we are supposed to root for.
callumfreeman
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by russ75:
“After the way Caz threatened her in the Rovers toliets and called her a sad cow a couple of months ago, I'm not surprised Sophie doesn't like her”

Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“The main problem with the character of Sophie is that she spends most of her time on lesbian SLs/issues and with being a lesbian. That's because she is a lesbian and can only be seen chatting with lesbians, interacting with lesbians, pursuing lesbians, kissing lesbians, dissing lesbians and generally being a lesbian. When anything remotely lesbian happens on Corrie, Sophie the lesbian is always there.

Sophie Webster is a lesbian and therefore must always be involved lesbian stuff and lesbian issues.”

The thing is though the show is just purely about character's love lives, like who is sleeping with who, when will a character (being gay or straight) get a new man/woman. Hardly anyone seems to have any other hobbies or interests rather than purely looking for their next conquest. Even when they go through a separation they have to automatically get a new partner, a prime example being Nick Tilsley who despite having his marriage falling through is now latching onto Leanne again and forgetting Carla's existence.

Originally Posted by pete137:
“The only thing they can do now to save Sophie is bring back Sian. Its the only time she was ever bearable. I cant take another year of her walking round the street with a face like a slapped arse in her baggy jumpers. Let her be a happy lesbian again with Sexy Sian.”

To be honest I found her time in 2011 (Sian's final year on the show) unbearable, with an example being Sophie getting drunk on the church roof and falling and later their failed marriage. Sian does well to stay away from Sophie.
BlueEyedMrsP
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“The main problem with the character of Sophie is that she spends most of her time on lesbian SLs/issues and with being a lesbian. That's because she is a lesbian and can only be seen chatting with lesbians, interacting with lesbians, pursuing lesbians, kissing lesbians, dissing lesbians and generally being a lesbian. When anything remotely lesbian happens on Corrie, Sophie the lesbian is always there.

Sophie Webster is a lesbian and therefore must always be involved lesbian stuff and lesbian issues.”

Maybe she's upset cuz she's not the only gay in the village.
ewoodie
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by BlueEyedMrsP:
“Maybe she's upset cuz she's not the only gay in the village.”

Sean is the only gay in the village. He should nick that shiney, gold hot pants suit from Gemma. He'd look fab in that doing his usual mincing about. Of course, there'd have to be a tea towel thrown casually over his shoulder à la mode to complete the look. It's the only thing to be seen in when serving pints of bitter, pork scratchings and Betty's hotpot in a backstreet pub.


Sophie is a lesbian who does lesbian stuff.

The only thing thing she's ever upset about is that there's no enough fresh meat - sorry new lesbians for her to grab and snog inappropriately. Other than dressing like Basil Brush and waving her clipboard around - life is nothing for her without being a lesbian and doing lesbian stuff.
Soapfan678
15-09-2016
She is a poor Christian.
immusic
15-09-2016
Originally Posted by callumfreeman:
“The thing is though the show is just purely about character's love lives, like who is sleeping with who, when will a character (being gay or straight) get a new man/woman. Hardly anyone seems to have any other hobbies or interests rather than purely looking for their next conquest. Even when they go through a separation they have to automatically get a new partner, a prime example being Nick Tilsley who despite having his marriage falling through is now latching onto Leanne again and forgetting Carla's existence.”

This is all so true and really obvious, even though I've never noticed until you pointed it out!!! Having thought about it, any other interests are usually treated as a joke by the other characters - and the writers! - e.g. Ken's love of reading, Steve studying history (whatever happened to that storyline?), Dev's golf, Sharif's chickens, etc. The only interest/hobby that I can think of that isn't made fun of is Craig's graffiti...
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