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Am I the only one who feels sorry for Caz?
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SecretLifeoBees
13-09-2016
I don't yet feel I know enough about her back story to feel sorry for her as such. Why does she have such a self destructive and possessive streak in the first place? Why does she appear to have no family or other friends in her life?

I feel for Caz struggling to make the transition from army life to civvy life, something you hear of many ex-forces people struggling with. I also feel for her being the target of Sophie's stirring, sneering and bitching. I actually find Caz a much more tolerable character than Sophie.
kitkat1971
13-09-2016
I do feel a little sorry for her, yes.

Clearly she has emotional issues and they come out as being controlling, jealous and possessive. Also rather manipulative.

They are all unattractive, potentially dangerous qualities and I don't blame Kate for having rethought their relationship when she found out about them.

But...Kate clearly rushed into the engagement. didn't they say they'd onluy spent about 14 days together since they'd met when Kate came in because of Caz's Army commitments. And, it seems clear to me, that Katehad second thoughts decided she didn't really want to be with her (hence kissing Sophie) and cooled down which triggered Caz feeling insecure and her worst behaviour traits coming to the fore.

Kate fell out of love with Cas which is fine - it happens and it is best not to go ahead with a marriage. But the other person doesn't always snap out of it as quickly and that is clearly what Kate wants / expects. More than that in fact, she just wants her to disappear in a puff of smoke so Kate isn't bothered by her and that isn't reasonable at all.

Don't get me started on Sophie. She's an interfering little cow who only got involved because she fancies Kate.

The way they behave over the flowers is appalling. Even with Luke having said that it was meant kindly and it was him that actually placed the order so he might have got it wrong, they still treat her like she is the devil incarnate over it.

I don't like Caz much. I just think it is that I think Kate and Sophie are even nastier.
Chiltons Cane
13-09-2016
I don't like her but i don't think she is horrible ether. I have no idea why Kate is so nasty to her, when they were engaged before. I still have no clue what Caz has supposed to have done wrong!?!
kitkat1971
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“I don't like her but i don't think she is horrible ether. I have no idea why Kate is so nasty to her, when they were engaged before. I still have no clue what Caz has supposed to have done wrong!?!”

I think Caz's crimes in Sophie's eyes is keeping going on about Sophie and Kate liking each other (which proved to be true, Sophie has got a thing about Kate and Kate kissed her whilst engaged to Caz) and making out her leg was injured longer than it was so she could live longer in Kate's flat.
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by SecretLifeoBees:
“I don't yet feel I know enough about her back story to feel sorry for her as such. Why does she have such a self destructive and possessive streak in the first place? Why does she appear to have no family or other friends in her life?

I feel for Caz struggling to make the transition from army life to civvy life, something you hear of many ex-forces people struggling with. I also feel for her being the target of Sophie's stirring, sneering and bitching. I actually find Caz a much more tolerable character than Sophie. ”

Ah no, it wasn't Sophie who had that moron break into Maria's apartment and nearly killed her. She is frightened to death after her vicious assault. It was the demure misunderstood Caz. She's a habitual liar, most likely got kicked out of the army with a dishonorable discharge. A mark of Cain to be carried for the rest of her life. Quite a disgrace and rightfully so. She is a danger to society and should be locked up for a long time. Upon release she should be under house arrest for the rest of her life so Maria will feel a little safer. Quite the slice is Caz. More inclined to bring destruction on others than herself. The answer to your question is yes, you are the only one.
SULLA
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Janet Plank:
“Maria or little Liam , or even Ozzie dog, could have been seriously hurt. I hope that Maria finds out about the fake burglary before she becomes even closer to Caz.”

It was not a fake burglary.
AntoniaA
13-09-2016
I'm not without sympathy for Caz, she is very troubled, I wonder if she is damaged. She obviously needs tlc but quite honestly Maria is not the one to do that, Caz is dangerously manipulative with her as she was with Kate. Professional help would be better. Some people need to be cared for at arm's length.
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“I'm not without sympathy for Caz, she is very troubled, I wonder if she is damaged. She obviously needs tlc but quite honestly Maria is not the one to do that, Caz is dangerously manipulative with her as she was with Kate. Professional help would be better. Some people need to be cared for at arm's length.”

Professional help is no further away than a 911 call to the cops. Their handcuffs and tazers, if necessary, will provide all the care she needs and deserves for what she did to Maria. If she behaves the same way in prison she will know what damage is. She will learn what it's like to be frightened as Maria is now. Send her down the river and give her the max the big brute.
kitkat1971
13-09-2016
The Police would require evidence (of which there is none) and throwing her in Prison would just make the problem worse.

She needs to go to her GP, or the Army should be offering her some Counselling. Court Martial or not, they still have a Duty of Care to assimilate her back into Society.

It is even possible that some of her problems stem from her time in the Military.

But, as always, there is always a lack of money for these things.

I'm not defending her arranging the robbery, but Maria wasn't supposed to be there. It was intended to scare her (which is unforgiveable) so she'd want somebody else around but she was not supposed to be scared to that extent, or physically hurt.
BlondeGremlin
13-09-2016
I dislike Caz, mainly because the actor is so wooden. But I think we're meant to loathe her because we are all supposed to be rooting for Kate and Sophie. Caz is the villain and they are the heroes, except I find Kate boring and Sophie hasn't been enjoyable to watch for the last 5 years!
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“The Police would require evidence (of which there is none) and throwing her in Prison would just make the problem worse.

She needs to go to her GP, or the Army should be offering her some Counselling. Court Martial or not, they still have a Duty of Care to assimilate her back into Society.

It is even possible that some of her problems stem from her time in the Military.

But, as always, there is always a lack of money for these things.

I'm not defending her arranging the robbery, but Maria wasn't supposed to be there. It was intended to scare her (which is unforgiveable) so she'd want somebody else around but she was not supposed to be scared to that extent, or physically hurt.”

I guess the same could be said at any crime scene. Two social workers looking at the knife sticking out Kylie's chest and one turns to the other and says " the person who did this needs help". Some people are just plain mean and will do anything to get their own way. Caz is one of many.
Janet Plank
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“It was not a fake burglary.”

I must have misread the episode. I thought that Caz asked a villain to break into Maria's home so that she could come to the rescue and get back to live there.
kitkat1971
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“I guess the same could be said at any crime scene. Two social workers looking at the knife sticking out Kylie's chest and one turns to the other and says " the person who did this needs help". Some people are just plain mean and will do anything to get their own way. Caz is one of many.”

Not a social worker so wouldn'( like to say, but from a friend who was a Probation Officer, most criminals probably do have a history of abuse or some kind of mental illness. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for crimes committed and i wasn't suggesting they shouldn't.

Caz however, is not in that league. At least from what we have seen on screen. I'm not excusing setting up the burglary but once again, Maria was not supposed to be there, she was supposed to turn up to stop it before anything was even taken.

It is hardly equivalent to murdering somebody.

And perhaps, if she received counselling at this stage for whatever issues she has got, it might sort them out before she continues down the slippery slope to serious crime.

Prevention is better than punishment after offence. For everybody concerned. The victims, the criminal and even the tax payer who has to pay for Prisons.
SecretLifeoBees
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“Ah no, it wasn't Sophie who had that moron break into Maria's apartment and nearly killed her. She is frightened to death after her vicious assault. It was the demure misunderstood Caz. She's a habitual liar, most likely got kicked out of the army with a dishonorable discharge. A mark of Cain to be carried for the rest of her life. Quite a disgrace and rightfully so. She is a danger to society and should be locked up for a long time. Upon release she should be under house arrest for the rest of her life so Maria will feel a little safer. Quite the slice is Caz. More inclined to bring destruction on others than herself. The answer to your question is yes, you are the only one.”

Um... I didn't ask a question.
ewoodie
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“I liked Sophie many moons ago up to that ridiculous storyline of her suddenly falling for the previously totally un-gay Amber, who suddenly decided she fancied a bit of either, purely to facilitate an exit s/l for Sian but since then the character has been butchered into a nasty, judgemental little sourpuss without a smile or a good word for anybody, and any memories of her being a Christian & showing Christian values evaporated years ago!! I would love to get the old Sophie back but I'm beginning to think she's been too long gone now!!
As for Kate I took an instant dislike to the character when she first arrived & every scene she's been in since this Caz s/l heated up makes me dislike her more & more!! Awful character!!”

Corrie should have left her character as it was. Now she's on a rinse and repeat cycle SL - Sophie fancies woman - Sophie kisses woman.

She would have made a lovely character to have got married off and had some kids to plague Sally with. I know this could happen in a lesbian relationship but it would have been good to see an ordinary, young, hetero mum with a hubby and some kids.

A moody, predatory, immature, aggressive, know-all lesbian just doesn't make her a likeable or interesting character. Kate was made a lesbian character just to give Sophie something to do because unless it involves lesbians, there's nothing in Corrie to interest Sophie.
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by SecretLifeoBees:
“Um... I didn't ask a question.”

I beg your forgiveness, I misread your post. I will treat bee's with great respect from this day forth. My garden will be their garden. It was good of you to take it so well.
James_Langan
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Not a social worker so wouldn'( like to say, but from a friend who was a Probation Officer, most criminals probably do have a history of abuse or some kind of mental illness. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for crimes committed and i wasn't suggesting they shouldn't.

Caz however, is not in that league. At least from what we have seen on screen. I'm not excusing setting up the burglary but once again, Maria was not supposed to be there, she was supposed to turn up to stop it before anything was even taken.

It is hardly equivalent to murdering somebody.

And perhaps, if she received counselling at this stage for whatever issues she has got, it might sort them out before she continues down the slippery slope to serious crime.

Prevention is better than punishment after offence. For everybody concerned. The victims, the criminal and even the tax payer who has to pay for Prisons.”

I don't disagree with anything you say. It's just the impression that those who need help the most appear to get the least.
Multimedia81
13-09-2016
From the beginning, we saw Caz walk in on a brief kiss between Kate & Sophie. Caz was silly but nothing worse when she faked her accident. Kate & Sophie have since then treated her like she has damaged their lives.

Maria had a mean moment chucking Caz out first time around. Liam had asked whether Luke was coming round and she innocently said he wouldn't. Maria effectively advocated that Caz, even when out on the spot, denied all knowledge.

Caz has started turning evil with the fake burglary and potentially more to come ....
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