Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?
Oh dear!
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What on earth has Jo Clifton ever done to deserve criticism like this? 
OP you haven't even seen them dance together, yet you have already made up your mind to denigrate Jo.
Oh dear! indeed.
OP you haven't even seen them dance together, yet you have already made up your mind to denigrate Jo.
Oh dear! indeed.
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“What on earth has Jo Clifton ever done to deserve criticism like this?
OP you haven't even seen them dance together, yet you have already made up your mind to denigrate Jo.
Oh dear! indeed.”
“What on earth has Jo Clifton ever done to deserve criticism like this?
OP you haven't even seen them dance together, yet you have already made up your mind to denigrate Jo.
Oh dear! indeed.”
Will's partnered with Karen.
Originally Posted by dewyrose:
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!”
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!
”
Heck! Wisdom before midday.
There's a real freedom in getting rid of prejudices -- hard as it is and even if you have to do it daily! It's like climbing a tree when you're little and learning to let go of the branch so you can actually, y'know, climb. The perspective changes. We have the power to change our minds
Maybe because both Karen and Jo (when she's even had a partner) have had a string of duffers over the last few years (Dave Myers, Jeremy Vine, Scott Mills) and it was time they got someone with potenial.
Originally Posted by dewyrose:
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
Oh dear indeed.
Yet another Clifton bashing thread, aren't there enough already?
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Oh dear indeed.
Yet another Clifton bashing thread, aren't there enough already?”
“Oh dear indeed.
Yet another Clifton bashing thread, aren't there enough already?”
^^this^^
Originally Posted by dewyrose:
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
“Really wanted Will to do well but just cannot bring myself to vote for another Clifton. Why are the BBC so desperate for a Clifton to win?”
You have obviously no understanding of the situation.
Think "ratings."
There's no "desperation" over the dancers. However the BBC do get a bit uncomfortable if some of the dancers have a higher public profile than some of the main contestants. They also don't like any of them "speaking out of turn."
The BBC are far more concerned that their own people do well.
They really don't mind who wins as long as their people get a good run in the show.
This situation leads to endless opportunities to promote the programme when these people are "doing their day job." It also helps to raise their profile, so any programme in which they appear, can get a ratings boost.
I enjoy the programme, record and watch every one, but have never voted. I really don't mind who wins out of those who make the final.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Who are these "own people"?”
“Who are these "own people"?”
I can't treat that as a serious question, look up the list of this year's contestants. There's always BBC people in the programme every year.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“I can't treat that as a serious question, look up the list of this year's contestants. There's always BBC people in the programme every year.”
“I can't treat that as a serious question, look up the list of this year's contestants. There's always BBC people in the programme every year.”
It was a question as serious as your assertion that all they care about is BBC employees doing well.
That must be why they dressed Scott Mills up as a lobster
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“I can't treat that as a serious question, look up the list of this year's contestants. There's always BBC people in the programme every year.”
“I can't treat that as a serious question, look up the list of this year's contestants. There's always BBC people in the programme every year.”
Could it be the other way around? There are BBC employees on SCD because it's easier to persuade them (or apply duress) to give up hours and hours of time to training whilst still working on their day job. It's possible.
I'm not defending the BBC btw. It's been trading on its old reputation of impartiality too long whilst marching to the right.
And cheaper to have a BBC employee under contract participate rather than forking out celeb fees for all concerned. It's public money after all.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“It was a question as serious as your assertion that all they care about is BBC employees doing well.
That must be why they dressed Scott Mills up as a lobster”
“It was a question as serious as your assertion that all they care about is BBC employees doing well.
That must be why they dressed Scott Mills up as a lobster”
For cryin' out loud it's a "Show!" There's always a comedy element.
Funny then that they didn't, "dress up as lobsters," Carole Kirkwood, Jeremy Vine, Kelly Bright, Katie Derham and Helen George, last year, innit? They were all, "BBC's own people."
Put the spade down!
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Could it be the other way around? There are BBC employees on SCD because it's easier to persuade them (or apply duress) to give up hours and hours of time to training whilst still working on their day job. It's possible.
I'm not defending the BBC btw. It's been trading on its old reputation of impartiality too long whilst marching to the right.”
“Could it be the other way around? There are BBC employees on SCD because it's easier to persuade them (or apply duress) to give up hours and hours of time to training whilst still working on their day job. It's possible.
I'm not defending the BBC btw. It's been trading on its old reputation of impartiality too long whilst marching to the right.”
We always get the spin that they "rehearse after doing their day job," but I think accommodations are made. It's in the BBC's interests.
I think you might have forgotten Jeremy Vine being wheeled on astride a plastic My Little Pony or any of the numerous horrors that Kellie was put in.
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Could it be the other way around? There are BBC employees on SCD because it's easier to persuade them (or apply duress) to give up hours and hours of time to training whilst still working on their day job. It's possible.
I'm not defending the BBC btw. It's been trading on its old reputation of impartiality too long whilst marching to the right.”
“Could it be the other way around? There are BBC employees on SCD because it's easier to persuade them (or apply duress) to give up hours and hours of time to training whilst still working on their day job. It's possible.
I'm not defending the BBC btw. It's been trading on its old reputation of impartiality too long whilst marching to the right.”
Natasha Kaplinsky admittedly didn't want to do it. Allegedly, she was practically "coerced" to do it by the BBC
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I think you might have forgotten Jeremy Vine being wheeled on astride a plastic My Little Pony or any of the numerous horrors that Kellie was put in.”
“I think you might have forgotten Jeremy Vine being wheeled on astride a plastic My Little Pony or any of the numerous horrors that Kellie was put in.”
I'm trying to.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“For cryin' out loud it's a "Show!" There's always a comedy element.
Funny then that they didn't, "dress up as lobsters," Carole Kirkwood, Jeremy Vine, Kelly Bright, Katie Derham and Helen George, last year, innit? They were all, "BBC's own people."
Put the spade down!
We always get the spin that they "rehearse after doing their day job," but I think accommodations are made. It's in the BBC's interests.”
“For cryin' out loud it's a "Show!" There's always a comedy element.
Funny then that they didn't, "dress up as lobsters," Carole Kirkwood, Jeremy Vine, Kelly Bright, Katie Derham and Helen George, last year, innit? They were all, "BBC's own people."
Put the spade down!
We always get the spin that they "rehearse after doing their day job," but I think accommodations are made. It's in the BBC's interests.”
Settle down Dear.
The "Show" hasn't started yet, don't get yer knickers in knot
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!”
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!
”
Absolutely brilliant statement
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Settle down Dear.
The "Show" hasn't started yet, don't get yer knickers in knot”
“Settle down Dear.
The "Show" hasn't started yet, don't get yer knickers in knot”
Hmm..
I take it that getting personal is your way of acknowledging you now understand who are the BBC's "own people?"
Question, asked and answered.
Move on.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hmm..
I take it that getting personal is your way of acknowledging you now understand who are the BBC's "own people?"
Question, asked and answered.
Move on.”
“Hmm..
I take it that getting personal is your way of acknowledging you now understand who are the BBC's "own people?"
Question, asked and answered.
Move on.”
Right-o. Moved.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!”
“Well that's one of the problems with prejudice isn't it? It might be that the person towards whom the prejudice is directed is hurt or they may not. But the person who is prejudiced is always harmed either by the burden of carrying negative feelings in their psyche or because the prejudice provides a barrier which stops the prejudiced person being free to do as they wish.
If you could overcome your negative feelings towards Joanne (or is it Karen) you could invest in "really wanting Will to do well"
Simples!
”
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Heck! Wisdom before midday.
There's a real freedom in getting rid of prejudices -- hard as it is and even if you have to do it daily! It's like climbing a tree when you're little and learning to let go of the branch so you can actually, y'know, climb. The perspective changes. We have the power to change our minds”
“Heck! Wisdom before midday.
There's a real freedom in getting rid of prejudices -- hard as it is and even if you have to do it daily! It's like climbing a tree when you're little and learning to let go of the branch so you can actually, y'know, climb. The perspective changes. We have the power to change our minds
”
I'm not that keen on the negativity towards the Cliftons either, because I happen to like all 3 of them, but do we really have to have the preachy, let's all smile, think positively and change the world, psychological, happyland talk? This is a forum for people to discuss Strictly, not a self help book.
I don't think prejudice is the right word anyway. The people who dislike the Cliftons, are not making a sweeping statement about a whole nation, race, etc. They are simply not keen on the personalities of 3 people, based on what they have seen on TV. We all have people we find annoying both on TV and in real life. We can't all like everyone, we would be living in a kids storybook if we did!
Originally Posted by Midnight Moggy:
“I'm not that keen on the negativity towards the Cliftons either, because I happen to be a fan of all 3 of them, but do we really have to have the preachy let's all smile, think positively and change the world psychological happyland talk? This is a forum for people to discuss Strictly, not a self help book.
I don't think prejudice is the right word anyway. The people who dislike the Cliftons, are not making a sweeping statement about a whole nation, race, etc. They are simply not keen on the personalities of 3 people, based on what they have seen on TV. We all have people we find annoying both on TV and in real life. We can't all like everyone, we would be living in a kids storybook if we did!”
“I'm not that keen on the negativity towards the Cliftons either, because I happen to be a fan of all 3 of them, but do we really have to have the preachy let's all smile, think positively and change the world psychological happyland talk? This is a forum for people to discuss Strictly, not a self help book.
I don't think prejudice is the right word anyway. The people who dislike the Cliftons, are not making a sweeping statement about a whole nation, race, etc. They are simply not keen on the personalities of 3 people, based on what they have seen on TV. We all have people we find annoying both on TV and in real life. We can't all like everyone, we would be living in a kids storybook if we did!”
Everyone has their likes and dislikes, it's only natural. But personal preferences can't really be problem for others can it?
What I do think is "out of order," is not having a dislike for particular professionals, but making the effort to start a naffin' thread highlighting their dislike.
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