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If the show really wanted Tamera to win then she would have imo, I mean I've seen the show push less talented acts than Tamera to go further than 5th before.
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Actually I firmly believe that every sing off is just "going through the motions" and that each judge has been instructed on who to send home before a single sing off note has been sung on EVERY occasion!
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I can't say I completely agree but quite a lot of the time I think you may be right but there are times when someone performs so well that sending them home would be ridiculous. It's not often but sometimes there's no possible way to eliminate someone without a negative backlash. Other than that I agree that they've most likely already decided who is going.
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Less talented acts never forgot their words as much though . Actually scrub that , NO other act has forgotten their words on three separate occasions. What's the saying , once is an accident ..........
And I honestly do feel that if they really didn't want Sam Bailey to win then they'd have given out alot more modern themes as she wouldn't have pulled them off. |
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That is true, I just think that if the show wanted Tamera to do well then they would've let her sing songs that she wanted to sing (like Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody that she was campaigning for) and she wouldn't have been branded as a bully and a thief in the media before we even got to the first live show.
And I honestly do feel that if they really didn't want Sam Bailey to win then they'd have given out alot more modern themes as she wouldn't have pulled them off. I don't think anyone's denying that Sam got one hell of a pimping for a large part of the lives. But that was once they'd decided against Tamera either because her vote wasn't responding how they'd have liked to supposedly 'strong' performances or maybe they just got fed up of her forgetting her lyrics. Maybe she had a poor attitude backstage Look at the voting stats for that year. It was a two horse race from the off. To get Tamera over the finish line they'd have had to have brutally sabotaged both Sam and Nicholas and the margin of difference in base votes is that there would have been no guarantee of success given Tamera's vote was flatlining. So instead they settled for plan b, went all in on Sam and started to undermine Nicholas. |
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You're missing what many of us are saying though - that at some point they changed their mind.
I don't think anyone's denying that Sam got one hell of a pimping for a large part of the lives. But that was once they'd decided against Tamera either because her vote wasn't responding how they'd have liked to supposedly 'strong' performances or maybe they just got fed up of her forgetting her lyrics. Maybe she had a poor attitude backstage Look at the voting stats for that year. It was a two horse race from the off. To get Tamera over the finish line they'd have had to have brutally sabotaged both Sam and Nicholas and the margin of difference in base votes is that there would have been no guarantee of success given Tamera's vote was flatlining. So instead they settled for plan b, went all in on Sam and started to undermine Nicholas. Sam was always the chosen one, and if she'd have failed then they'd have gone to Rough Copy. |
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There are acts like Janet and even Maloney [that the show was happy for until a point] that would have won until manipulation kicked in for VT editing/song choices/costumes/etc. So I suppose I'd say them.
But acts that were ignored/had very little chance of doing well; XF6; Rachel Adedji [Was her audition even shown, whereas all the other finalists had airtime.. hardly fair] XF7; John Adeleye/TreyC/Paije [had almost no airtime until the live shows.. and were largely ignored everywhere] XF8; Sophie Habibis [Had almost no airtime again - not really fair] Can't really remember other seasons well enough to comment |
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There are acts like Janet and even Maloney [that the show was happy for until a point] that would have won until manipulation kicked in for VT editing/song choices/costumes/etc. So I suppose I'd say them.
But acts that were ignored/had very little chance of doing well; XF6; Rachel Adedji [Was her audition even shown, whereas all the other finalists had airtime.. hardly fair] XF7; John Adeleye/TreyC/Paije [had almost no airtime until the live shows.. and were largely ignored everywhere] XF8; Sophie Habibis [Had almost no airtime again - not really fair] Can't really remember other seasons well enough to comment Rachel Adedeji didn't get much airtime, you're right, but nor did Miss Frank. I wouldn't blame her lack of success on the show on her lack of air time - it was pretty apparent to me that she was struggling to connect with the audience. I'll give you John Adeleye, he didn't get much airtime but he wasn't given great song choices in the live shows. I think we'd seen a fair bit of Treyc as she had auditioned the previous year - even Simon admitted she had been overlooked. I don't agree with Paije - he had a lengthy audition where he didn't get through and was invited back by Louis personally to audition again. Probably one of the more memorable auditions of that year because of that. Sophie was relatively high in the vote in weeks 2 & 3 so it was the fault of her presentation in week 4 that was the result of her going out, plus going up against the more commercially viable Misha B. |
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Series 1- Tabby
Series 2-Shayne Ward Series 3- Leona Lewis Series 4- Hope Series 5-Eoghan Quigg Series 6-Olly Murs Series 7- One Direction/Cher Lloyd Series 8-Misha B Series 9-Jahmene Douglas Series 10-Tamera Foster Series 11-Fleur East Series 12-Louisa Johnson/Reggie n Bollie Series 13-Honey G |
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Series 1- Tabby
Series 2-Shayne Ward Series 3- Leona Lewis Series 4- Hope Series 5-Eoghan Quigg Series 6-Olly Murs Series 7- One Direction/Cher Lloyd Series 8-Misha B Series 9-Jahmene Douglas Series 10-Tamera Foster Series 11-Fleur East Series 12-Louisa Johnson/Reggie n Bollie Series 13-Honey G |
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You're missing what I'm saying though, if they really wanted Tamera to win at any point they wouldn't have let the scandal of her being a "thief" hit the Media before the first live show had even begun.
Sam was always the chosen one, and if she'd have failed then they'd have gone to Rough Copy. |
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You think Syco have complete control over what does or doesn't hit the media? Thankfully we're not living in a society so tightly controlled by corporate interests just yet. Seems to me you're choosing to believe the world works in whatever way that suits your own chosen XF narrative rather than looking at actual evidence.
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You think Syco have complete control over what does or doesn't hit the media? Thankfully we're not living in a society so tightly controlled by corporate interests just yet. Seems to me you're choosing to believe the world works in whatever way that suits your own chosen XF narrative rather than looking at actual evidence.
And what do you have to say that the themes (which get picked before the live shows even begin) was all nearly suited towards Sam Bailey over every other act in the competition? People don't like Tamera and just want to believe that she was the favoured one instead of actually looking at the actual evidence which shows that Sam Bailey was getting very strong song choices for herself, late time slots, themes perfectly allocated towards her style nearly every week, and massive stars saying in her VT's that they wanted her to win, you compare that to Tamera who's only real favourtism was being on in the last two of the running order every week and good judges comments it doesn't really compare, especially as Sam also had those things. |
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Re; the Tamera farce she just failed to connect with the public. She came across as incredibly frosty, was unable to remember lyrics and even ballsed up her part in the group performance of Burn by Ellie Goulding (watch towards the end, Tamera comes in one line too soon).
It's been three years since her series and she's still not released a single. In three years from now, that will still be the case. Tamera was absolutely useless as a "pop star". We already have Beyonce and Rita Ora. What exactly would Tamera contribute to the music industry that Beyonce and Rita Ora haven't already? Regardless, I always thought the whole point of 2013 was so that Sharon Osbourne could finally be a winning mentor after years of being the bridesmaid. Sam Bailey fitted the mould perfectly. Sure Sam was never going to be a global superstar but I don't think that was the aim that series. It was about Mrs O!!! |
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Series 1- Tabby
Series 2-Shayne Ward Series 3- Leona Lewis Series 4- Hope Series 5-Eoghan Quigg Series 6-Olly Murs Series 7- One Direction/Cher Lloyd Series 8-Misha B Series 9-Jahmene Douglas Series 10-Tamera Foster Series 11-Fleur East Series 12-Louisa Johnson/Reggie n Bollie Series 13-Honey G ![]()
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For me the ones the ones that are treated the worse are the ones who get bad song choices and staging/ styling which cause then means they leave before their time in the competition. So for each year I would say:
Series 1 - Cassie Compton Series 2 - Maria Lawson Series 3 - Nikitta Angus Series 4 - Alisha Bennett Series 5 - Laura White Series 6 - Lucie Jones Series 7 - Treyc Cohen Series 8 - Sophie Habibis Series 9 - Jade Ellis Series 10 - Tamera Foster Series 11 - Lauren Platt Series 12 - Monica Michael Series 13 - Relley C |
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G4 were pushed to beat Brookstein but failed
Think that is right, when I saw the live show, there was leaflets for their albums sitting on the seats.Quote:
Rhydian was never really hated by the show. He was their pantomime villain for ratings.
Agree, Saw him live in 2009, he was incredible and extremely complementary about Simon, when he didnt have to be, have also seen him visit the show since.
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Think that is right, when I saw the live show, there was leaflets for their albums sitting on the seats.
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Simon has friends in the Media that can censor what gets printed in the papers.
His bigger power is in being in a position where he can leak certain stories that Syco's PR have knowledge of to help derail certain contestants if they fear they're too popular and they pose a threat to his preferred contestants. If the press already have knowledge of those stories they don't need to gain permission from Simon, their decision to print them will be entirely down to whether they think they'll get their readership clucking their tongues in gossipy fury. That the stories about Tamera appeared before the live shows began suggests those were nothing to do with him or Syco, as they hadn't yet had an opportunity to measure her base vote-winning popularity in comparison to others in the show. Quote:
And what do you have to say that the themes (which get picked before the live shows even begin) was all nearly suited towards Sam Bailey over every other act in the competition? People don't like Tamera and just want to believe that she was the favoured one instead of actually looking at the actual evidence which shows that Sam Bailey was getting very strong song choices for herself, late time slots, themes perfectly allocated towards her style nearly every week, and massive stars saying in her VT's that they wanted her to win, you compare that to Tamera who's only real favourtism was being on in the last two of the running order every week and good judges comments it doesn't really compare, especially as Sam also had those things.
The voting stats from those first couple of weeks demonstrated to them they were never going to get Tamera to challenge let alone get her over the line in first place, there was simply too much of a mountain to climb (actually two mountains). So they switched to Plan B. I'm not arguing that the themes were picked for the benefit of Sam 'nearly every week'. I'm just arguing about at which point that became the case and that it was in actual fact from about week 3 onwards when it became clear Tamera was never going to challenge. From that point onwards, for them, it became about Sam beating Nicholas. All other considerations were de-priorotised, unless they were useful to that particular goal. And btw - the themes don't get picked before the live shows have even began. That much is clear from the number of times themes have changed even after they've been initially announced or hinted at on Xtra Factor over the years. |
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It didn't feel like to me that she was the chosen one. I think they wanted a Sam Bailey win that year.
The way the act before her in the audition room sang out of tune without any backing, then Sam comes on with a massive backing track and a lot of vocal support shows how favoured she was. They may have pretended to like Tamera, but they threw her all over the place, had the "me nan" VTs, and had the Max Clifford PR press leaks to undermine her. |
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You're missing what many of us are saying though - that at some point they changed their mind.
I don't think anyone's denying that Sam got one hell of a pimping for a large part of the lives. But that was once they'd decided against Tamera either because her vote wasn't responding how they'd have liked to supposedly 'strong' performances or maybe they just got fed up of her forgetting her lyrics. Maybe she had a poor attitude backstage Look at the voting stats for that year. It was a two horse race from the off. To get Tamera over the finish line they'd have had to have brutally sabotaged both Sam and Nicholas and the margin of difference in base votes is that there would have been no guarantee of success given Tamera's vote was flatlining. So instead they settled for plan b, went all in on Sam and started to undermine Nicholas. |
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You think Syco have complete control over what does or doesn't hit the media? Thankfully we're not living in a society so tightly controlled by corporate interests just yet. Seems to me you're choosing to believe the world works in whatever way that suits your own chosen XF narrative rather than looking at actual evidence.
"Drop that story about some XF contestant and you can have a Harry Styles exclusive." If you're a journalist with a story about Honey G and you get approached to drop it for an exclusive interview with Beyonce, what do you do? |
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I agree.
The way the act before her in the audition room sang out of tune without any backing, then Sam comes on with a massive backing track and a lot of vocal support shows how favoured she was. They may have pretended to like Tamera, but they threw her all over the place, had the "me nan" VTs, and had the Max Clifford PR press leaks to undermine her. |
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There was no real vocal support on Sam's backing track. From where I'm standing, Sam was the best singer of that series and many others thought the same, hence she won. It was always going to be difficult for her to have mainstream success though.
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Series 1- Tabby
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