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Westworld UK Pace - No Spoilers
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daisyduck1976
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Dog_Bot:
“Re Ed Harris - I just posted this on the US thread

"some people are speculating that the show is now operating on 2 different timelines:

Timeline 1 - the present day with Hopkins & The Man in Black

Timeline 2 - set 30 years ago with William & his friend.

We were told in the pilot that there was a "critical" failure 30 years ago - perhaps William was the sole survivor & asked for lifetime access as payment?"”

Seems plausible to me.

Really enjoying this. I quite like the slower pace and I am finding Ed Harris really disturbing!
Asmo
16-10-2016
(Episode 2) Close to the episode opening, there's a scene with Dolores 'sleepwalking' out in front of her house, stopping near an animal pen. The voice of 'Bernard' is heard saying 'Do you remember?'
There's an identical scene later on when we instead hear Dolores say to herself "Here?", and she uncovers the gun.

I had wondered who the voice in Dolores' head was ("Here"?). Not 'WiFi' from HQ (!) as they've given us no indication they can remotely address the hosts like this.
My guess, I'll spoiler in case speculation is unwelcome:

Spoiler
'Dolores' was hearing an emerging 'real' self that is forming subconsciously and acting independently. Off-script so to speak. 'Sleep' time being the perfect opportunity to override 'Dolores'.
Maybe she hid the gun in a moment of lucidity previously. The next 'host' assault might not follow the usual pattern...!
Mandark
18-10-2016
Rockstar must be so pleased that their new open world Red Dead Redemption western game is out soon.
Mandark
18-10-2016
We're getting more clues now to what's going on but the story is being told in an unnecessarily complicated way methinks.
Fraxis
18-10-2016
That was one hell of an exposition dump from Mr Hopkins!
Fraxis
18-10-2016
Is this turning into Firefly? Gina Torres and baddies not unlike Reavers...
Mandark
18-10-2016
May be but what exactly are we watching? Adventures of human guests or adventures of hosts interacting with other hosts?
owen10
18-10-2016
I have just seen tonights Westworld and i have to say Wow what an episode. Definitely the best so far with some fine acting by Evan Rachel Wood and Anthony Hopkins or are easily the stars of this show
Mandark
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“I have just seen tonights Westworld and i have to say Wow what an episode. Definitely the best so far with some fine acting by Evan Rachel Wood and Anthony Hopkins or are easily the stars of this show”

Noone's even rushing to make after show comments on this thread any more. A bad sign after only three episodes. Aftermath is attracting more interest!
Andrew_Ballard
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Noone's even rushing to make after show comments on this thread any more. A bad sign after only three episodes. Aftermath is attracting more interest!”

The themes are being formed; scripted vs unscripted (in a scripted show...), reason vs instinct, willpower, artificial creatures rejecting the artificial and so emerging as real, the very purpose of consciousness, the stagnation of human evolution (perhaps the machines are the natural extension of this), suffering and the soul, replacing of people with machines in jobs, what is the purpose of living?, a 2 weekly repeating cycle for the hosts which is not so different to the routine people fall into in real life, religion, etc....also hot robot b00bs because HBO


It's very dense, am watching each episode twice because i'm missing stuff. Aftermath doesn't interest in the slightest :/
TommyNooka
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Noone's even rushing to make after show comments on this thread any more. A bad sign after only three episodes. Aftermath is attracting more interest!”

You should check out the US pace thread, I've got Sky but still can't wait the 2 days after the US airing so have been acquiring it through other means.
Without a doubt the best show on TV at the moment, I think it's better than GoT at the same stage, but then I'm a bit of a sci-fi geek (and I'd read all the ASOIAF books before the show was made.)
Anthony Hopkins character showing a bit of a dark side but in truth is he the only person that truly understands how dangerous sentient robots could be?
A shameful lack of Ed Harris in last nights episode though!
TommyNooka
19-10-2016
I've never even heard of Aftermath so had a Google, it has a rating of 4.9 on IMDB with 1,300 votes Westworld has a rating of 9.2 with 25,236 votes, Aftermath definitely creating more buzz!
MysteriousOz
19-10-2016
Great Episode, though got myself slightly confused a bit

Really Enjoying it
Mandark
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by TommyNooka:
“I've never even heard of Aftermath so had a Google, it has a rating of 4.9 on IMDB with 1,300 votes Westworld has a rating of 9.2 with 25,236 votes, Aftermath definitely creating more buzz! ”

I'm not saying Aftermath is any good. You can see my criticisms in the thread. But it does give you plenty to talk about!
owenmahamilton
19-10-2016
Count me in for another one's who's really enjoying it too, it's a bit hard to follow sometimes but that doesn't reduce the enjoyment of it for me, I hope it goes on for a fair few years yet.
pianoforte
19-10-2016
the darkovision that plagued GOT seems to be turning up in Westworld
Mandark
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by Andrew_Ballard:
“The themes are being formed; scripted vs unscripted (in a scripted show...), reason vs instinct, willpower, artificial creatures rejecting the artificial and so emerging as real, the very purpose of consciousness, the stagnation of human evolution (perhaps the machines are the natural extension of this), suffering and the soul, replacing of people with machines in jobs, what is the purpose of living?, a 2 weekly repeating cycle for the hosts which is not so different to the routine people fall into in real life, religion, etc....also hot robot b00bs because HBO


It's very dense, am watching each episode twice because i'm missing stuff. Aftermath doesn't interest in the slightest :/”

I think the problem with this episode is that with the first two we'd clearly been watching humans having adventures. In this episode we seemed to be watching the robots having their own adventures. Ok they're supposed to be following a script and it appears that they're going off script but I don't like the cryptic way it's being done. If you came to the show new, you really wouldn't have had a clue what was going on unlike say the equivalent episode in Lost where you know it's a bunch of people trapped on an island or GoT, where you'd sense there's trouble across the lands. Yes I know I'm moaning but that's what I do!
LuvJamTarts
19-10-2016
Im usually pretty good with Sci Fi stuff but this is making no sense to me. I'll give it until episode 5 but if its not at least hinting at what the hell is going on ill give up. Half way through episode 3 and i was checking to see how much longer there was left as i was bored.
Woodbine
19-10-2016
I'm really enjoying it this, it's interesting enough to make me want to watch it and see what happens. Think it is one of those that is slow to get going but will pick up.
CBFreak
19-10-2016
I like the complications of the show. Hopkin's character did say it was. I think the show though because of the details and nuances will lose viewers. It's high brow and thought provoking and sometimes people don't want that. Which is fine. Personally I like that. I find it hard to re-watch shows even ones I really like, like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. This series feels like a must re-watch to pick up the little details you missed and that have been hinted at afterwards.

I kind of like the theory of it being based in two time lines. In what we consider the current time line The Man in Black doesn't flinch at being shot whereas our white hat guy felt the bullet.

Also what I find interesting in that theory, and in the complexities of the show is the emphasis on the white hat choice of William when he first entered Westworld and the Man in Black saying right in the first episode that he started as a good guy but chose to be bad. (I think it was him like I said worth re-watching just pick things up. ) Anyone familiar with old westerns knows the White hat and Black Hat meaning.
TommyNooka
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by CBFreak:
“I like the complications of the show. Hopkin's character did say it was. I think the show though because of the details and nuances will lose viewers. It's high brow and thought provoking and sometimes people don't want that. Which is fine. Personally I like that. I find it hard to re-watch shows even ones I really like, like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. This series feels like a must re-watch to pick up the little details you missed and that have been hinted at afterwards.

I kind of like the theory of it being based in two time lines. In what we consider the current time line The Man in Black doesn't flinch at being shot whereas our white hat guy felt the bullet.

Also what I find interesting in that theory, and in the complexities of the show is the emphasis on the white hat choice of William when he first entered Westworld and the Man in Black saying right in the first episode that he started as a good guy but chose to be bad. (I think it was him like I said worth re-watching just pick things up. ) Anyone familiar with old westerns knows the White hat and Black Hat meaning.”

I thought with Dolores turning up at Williams camp that this theory had pretty much been debunked? That is unless the park staff are also androids and don't age.
CBFreak
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by TommyNooka:
“I thought with Dolores turning up at Williams camp that this theory had pretty much been debunked? That is unless the park staff are also androids and don't age.”

I considered that. It could be a red herring on the writer's part. Dolores might have arrived at William's camp from some other event that happened. Perhaps this meeting will explain where Dolores got that gun from as well?
Dan Fortesque
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by CBFreak:
“I considered that. It could be a red herring on the writer's part. Dolores might have arrived at William's camp from some other event that happened. Perhaps this meeting will explain where Dolores got that gun from as well?”

I thought that as well, as there seems to be quite a bit of activity with regards to night-time raids on her ranch. It might be a regular occurrence storyline. Maybe she ran away and stumbled across them in the past. Also, it seemed more primitive when one of the guys was earlier shot. Like it was a rubber bullet or something.
Mandark
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by CBFreak:
“I like the complications of the show. Hopkin's character did say it was. I think the show though because of the details and nuances will lose viewers. It's high brow and thought provoking and sometimes people don't want that. Which is fine. Personally I like that. I find it hard to re-watch shows even ones I really like, like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. This series feels like a must re-watch to pick up the little details you missed and that have been hinted at afterwards.”

I agree but if this show was meant to be the populist long term replacement for GoT, I think they've gone about things the wrong way. It's looking more like a niche show.
Asmo
19-10-2016
Here's something, probably nothing:
When Teddy is under attack from the (presumed) rogue hosts on the mission Ford (Hopkins) seems to have crafted for him, you catch flashes of the attackers during gunfire. A fast freeze frame finger reveals some are wearing animal skins, and skulls or jawbones on their heads.
Some appear to be 'hooded' with sacks or skins.
Flashback to late in episode 1, Dolores gets that 'distant' look as she sees several robed/hooded figures ride into town.
I know, the episode 1 guys are more 'smartly' attired (!) but there was definitely something about them that Dolores found.. unusual.. or familiar?

Has anyone seen any mention of when this is supposed to be, or where? I wondered, how far in the future such an expanse of privately owned land would still be possible. Assuming this is still Earth..!
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