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I think the old-time 'bar' they wandered into directly from the visitor centre was actually a Train carriage - it only became apparent when it jolted into motion, moved outdoors and light entered the windows?
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One idea I like which I've seen posted elsewhere and was mentioned in part here, is the idea that the critical malfunction from 30 years ago were the events that took place in the Westworld movie. Ignore the fact that the movie came out 43 years ago, it was set in an unknown future time and that could have been 30 years behind this current time.
If so, the Man in Black could be Richard Benjamin's character Peter Martin, who was given an all access pass as compensation for the troubles he suffered at that time. If he isn't Benjamin or anyone else who's got a freebie pass then he'd have to be super rich. Interesting ideas! |
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I keep thinking when they refer to "hosts" that they are not androids but humans who have been programmed. Or am I thinking of another program?
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I think the old-time 'bar' they wandered into directly from the visitor centre was actually a Train carriage - it only became apparent when it jolted into motion, moved outdoors and light entered the windows?
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It looked to me like she took the villain's gun from his holster, without him noticing, as she was being manhandled into the barn.
So maybe this is how she got the gun and hid it afterwards, if and when she came back. |
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This article "Understanding Westworld: An idiot’s guide" made me laugh out loud. I won't tell you which mental image caused the laugh.....but I bet you can guess!
![]() http://cinewipe.com/index.php/2016/1...-idiots-guide/ |
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This article "Understanding Westworld: An idiot’s guide" made me laugh out loud. I won't tell you which mental image caused the laugh.....but I bet you can guess!
![]() http://cinewipe.com/index.php/2016/1...-idiots-guide/ |
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One idea I like which I've seen posted elsewhere and was mentioned in part here, is the idea that the critical malfunction from 30 years ago were the events that took place in the Westworld movie. Ignore the fact that the movie came out 43 years ago, it was set in an unknown future time and that could have been 30 years behind this current time.
If so, the Man in Black could be Richard Benjamin's character Peter Martin, who was given an all access pass as compensation for the troubles he suffered at that time. If he isn't Benjamin or anyone else who's got a freebie pass then he'd have to be super rich. Interesting ideas! |
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A little underwhelmed with this so far, only watched the first two episodes but after all the hype and great reviews, was expecting better, here's hoping it gets better.
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I thought the carving on the wood was the Great Bear not Orion (looked like a saucepan).
Anyway - fabulous slow burning stuff with lots to think about. Who cares if the answers are not drip fed to you, I like it like this. |
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I',m really enjoying this , I love these explorations of what is AI and human consciousness , my only problem is the basic scenario of the place , I just don't see how the tourists would get involved when they can't be injured , obviously they wouldn't want to be really injured but there should be some consequence like in paintball or a video game , otherwise they'll just wander round shooting at the robots and being invincible which if you've ever played in cheat mode on a video game is quite boring really .
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I',m really enjoying this , I love these explorations of what is AI and human consciousness , my only problem is the basic scenario of the place , I just don't see how the tourists would get involved when they can't be injured , obviously they wouldn't want to be really injured but there should be some consequence like in paintball or a video game , otherwise they'll just wander round shooting at the robots and being invincible which if you've ever played in cheat mode on a video game is quite boring really .
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That's the way i interpreted it, as she picked up the gun, the villain put his hands by his side as if getting or looking for his gun, which now wasn't there (as she had it).
So maybe this is how she got the gun and hid it afterwards, if and when she came back. There are some fascinating ideas in this show, and I am enjoying watching it. I am fascinated by the storylines, with the story of Teddy and Wyatt, echoing the story of the creator and his friend...And the ideas of what makes people human. Even if it is total nonsense! the story loop is so complicated and involves so many hosts, for just one or 2 visitors? Its very existential isnt it, how do we know that the table( or story line) actually exists, if no one can actually see it? And its a very violent storyline full of guns and baddies and sex, for some of the family groups that appear to be visiting! |
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Ew. Arrogant know-it-alls. I should have known not to bother posting a different opinion in a Cult TV show thread.
Then again, maybe it's just because you can't come up with an answer to any of my points, so instead you just take the "Insult the poster because she's not a fan-boy like us" road. Good one(!) ![]() I asked the same questions you did. The things you mentioned annoyed me too, but I will stick to it for now, just because I like the whole concept of people being able to do whatever the hell they want to another "human being". |
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You do have to pay attention
Very much enjoying this show.
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I gave up on this around 20 minutes into the third episode.
Gunfight after gunfight, mostly surplus to requirements and just thrown in for effect and yet you never see a gunfight between humans. I guess they would look too awkward, ending up like a paintball shoot out, so the scriptwriters avoid them altogether but that just makes them more conspicuous by their absence, reminding me I'm just watching a tv show with a major flaw. Flaws aside, I don't find any of the characters engaging enough to want to follow their journey. Who are the central characters we're supposed to be rooting for? Without such characters as the backbone to a well defined main plot I can't get emotionally involved in this fantasy. |
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Hmm...so we've learned that the Man in Black is not only rich in the outside world but he's famous too. Runs a foundation that is presumably in the medical industry judging from what that guy said to him about saving his sister. Interesting!
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So the woman who works in the bar knows that she is not real as she asked the bloke to get the bullet that was inside of her
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I don't see how the park can continue as it is. They're all becoming sentient, even the bad outlaw bot!
Edit: In our world the park would be shut down if the authorities knew the robots were questioning their existence. |
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I don't see how the park can continue as it is. They're all becoming sentient, even the bad outlaw bot!
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Can someone please tell me is Ed Harris a Human or a Robot because if he is not a Robot then how come no one can kill him
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Edit: In our world the park would be shut down if the authorities knew the robots were questioning their existence. Great series! |
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I gave up on this around 20 minutes into the third episode.
Gunfight after gunfight, mostly surplus to requirements and just thrown in for effect Quote:
and yet you never see a gunfight between humans. I guess they would look too awkward, ending up like a paintball shoot out
WHy would humans want to have a shootout with each other? Do you know anything about this show? Quote:
reminding me I'm just watching a tv show with a major flaw.
I edited the sentence but its not a flaw major or otherwise.Quote:
Flaws aside, I don't find any of the characters engaging enough to want to follow their journey. Who are the central characters we're supposed to be rooting for?
Dolores (for one),the clue is in the opening scene every week where she is interviewed. Quote:
Without such characters as the backbone to a well defined main plot I can't get emotionally involved in this fantasy.
You watched 2 full episodes and write that? Maybe watch the programme instead of moaning about it.
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So the woman who works in the bar knows that she is not real as she asked the bloke to get the bullet that was inside of her
It's all about consciousness and self awareness, I think therefore I am. Plus a traditional mad God complex scientist who has either deliberately or mistakenly possibly created beings who did not originally have independent unique thought and genuine self awareness but are beginning to develop it in an evolutionary way. It's a very interesting intellectual premise but you can see why Michael Crichton simplified it by changing Westworld to Jurassic Park and having real (but essentially dim) dinosaurs rampaging around rather than very complex automatons with backstories and psychological plot lines interacting with humans with emotions. I do really like it but I wonder how long it can be sustained. It seems to me to require a big reveal and a final resolution to work and that can't be dragged out for years. |
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Can someone please tell me is Ed Harris a Human or a Robot because if he is not a Robot then how come no one can kill him
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