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Old 27-11-2016, 17:03
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Perhaps I read the situation wrong, but in one scene early on it seemed like the MiB was going to rape Dolores?

I know she is a host and thus should forget the incident, but it made me doubt that William is the MiB. Admittedly that doubt has decreased as the series has gone on.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:26
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Perhaps I read the situation wrong, but in one scene early on it seemed like the MiB was going to rape Dolores?

I know she is a host and thus should forget the incident, but it made me doubt that William is the MiB. Admittedly that doubt has decreased as the series has gone on.
I was quite shocked at that scene and wondered how comfortable Ed Harris would be with that??? I mean, I know he's often played a baddie, but that was particularly disturbing. (And I will always remember fondly his hero portrayal in The Abyss )

But we haven't actually seen the rape though... but then again, how would he explain to Dolores that the grizzled man in front of her was once her love interest?
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Old 27-11-2016, 19:22
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Perhaps I read the situation wrong, but in one scene early on it seemed like the MiB was going to rape Dolores?

I know she is a host and thus should forget the incident, but it made me doubt that William is the MiB. Admittedly that doubt has decreased as the series has gone on.
We never saw MIB actually rape Dolores, only drag her into the barn. So it's possible, however unlikely, that something else entirely happened between them in the barn.
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Old 28-11-2016, 00:05
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I've just watched Tuesday's ep.

Did I hear this right? At the end of that episode, the blonde girl stabbed Teddy with an arrow and then started talking to Ed Harris and called him Theodore.

Teddy is short for Theodore but she was talking to MiB, so he can't be the older version of William then?
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Old 28-11-2016, 00:10
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I've just watched Tuesday's ep.

Did I hear this right? At the end of that episode, the blonde girl stabbed Teddy with an arrow and then started talking to Ed Harris and called him Theodore.

Teddy is short for Theodore but she was talking to MiB, so he can't be the older version of William then?
No, she was talking to Teddy.
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Old 28-11-2016, 00:14
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No, she was talking to Teddy.
I've just watched that bit again. She could have been talking to Teddy but she may have been talking to Ed. It's possible.
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Old 28-11-2016, 20:01
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Venturing onto the forum for the first time to talk about Old Bill....is it my imagination, or in Episode 1 in his second "I just got here" loop, does Teddy get shoulderbarged by a younger version of Bill - it sure looks like it could be Michael Wincott?!
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Old 28-11-2016, 20:34
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Every episode and I'm loving the show more. There is not enough intellectual entertainment shows these days so to have one with such delightful twists and turns is refreshing.

My most fascinating part of the entire show is the questioning about the rights of the hosts and whether they are sentient in the way we are. More so because of the advancements in our own real life technology. We are not that far removed from the creation of artificial life.
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Old 28-11-2016, 20:56
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Every episode and I'm loving the show more. There is not enough intellectual entertainment shows these days so to have one with such delightful twists and turns is refreshing.

My most fascinating part of the entire show is the questioning about the rights of the hosts and whether they are sentient in the way we are. More so because of the advancements in our own real life technology. We are not that far removed from the creation of artificial life.
The main problem with whether these hosts are sentient or not, is that if they are coded using software rather than hardwired then they can not be sentient due to the Chinese Room argument.
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Old 28-11-2016, 21:21
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Question for Sky on demand/catch up people: Is Episode 9 available? It's aired in the US so I assume it's going to added to catch up soon?
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:29
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Question for Sky on demand/catch up people: Is Episode 9 available? It's aired in the US so I assume it's going to added to catch up soon?
It air's on Sky tonight (Tuesdays at 9pm), it will be added to catch up after that.
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:40
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I noticed that next weeks final episode is on for nearly two hours!
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Old 29-11-2016, 22:41
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Well, it's becoming a little clearer but it's still a small tale at heart. I'm struggling with Maeve being so capable. People are praising her character and Thandie Newton's acting but I think it's being played wrongly. Her character reminds me of the stereotypical AI computers you have in movies. Once they become sentient they immediately want to take on the world are seen capable of outwitting people.

But I think Dolores is more realistic. She realises there's something more and is confused by it all. And as Ford is all powerful, why has he paid no attention to Maeve? He must know what she's been up to. Oh well!!

For next season we should have a combined US/UK thread.
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Old 29-11-2016, 23:05
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For next season we should have a combined US/UK thread.
Lol, good luck trying to suggest that to the US pace posters.
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Old 30-11-2016, 00:05
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Tonights ep was good, some questions were answered but hopefully a lot more will be answered next week. A lot of the fan theories seem to be turning out to be correct. especially the whole Arnold Weber - Bernard Lowe thing. Do you think Ford will rebuild him?

Timelines - what can I say?

Ed Man in Black Harris - meeting Charlotte, that was a surprise!

Not sure where they are going with Maeve.
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Old 30-11-2016, 08:31
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Lol, good luck trying to suggest that to the US pace posters.
Surely you mean the UK pace posters?

As it is the UK pace posters who would need to stay out of the combined thread after the US air time, until it has aired in the UK (currently about 40 hours later).

That is how the Walking Dead one works, US pace posters don't refrain posting until the episode has aired in the UK, UK pace viewers stay away until it has aired.
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Old 30-11-2016, 08:57
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Lol, good luck trying to suggest that to the US pace posters.
Surely you mean the UK pace posters?
Two options here, either a [generic] paced thread would require spoiler tags, or people (UK pace viewers) would need to avoid the thread for two or three days. It's obviously different with TWD, because there's only a day between them.

I do support the notion of a combined thread, but it'll require mutual respect, sense and understanding from both parties.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:07
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Two options here, either a [generic] paced thread would require spoiler tags, or people (UK pace viewers) would need to avoid the thread for two or three days. It's obviously different with TWD, because there's only a day between them.

I do support the notion of a combined thread, but it'll require mutual respect, sense and understanding from both parties.
Since there's not been that many of us posting about the show, we should be able to manage some sort of compromise.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:17
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Since there's not been that many of us posting about the show, we should be able to manage some sort of compromise.
I would agree with you. When the time comes, whoever creates said thread will hopefully deal with that in their opening post, and those that follow can ... follow suit!
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:30
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Was Hale's choice of Dolores' original father deliberate or meant to be coincidence?
Ooh, I'm face blind so hadn't picked up on that. I think it might be a co-incidence but as The Man In Black said last night 'nothing happens by chance here'.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:38
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I was a bit surprised when Logan cut Dolores open and she was mechanical inside. I know that the later model hosts are 3d printed but it never occurred to me that she was that old.

So The Man In Black is there just to play a game. He doesn't care for Ford. I wonder what he will do once he's found the maze? He'll be a bit like Ford's greyhound.

I was also wondering how they were going to repair Hector and Maeve when they show up in the repair shop burnt to a crisp.

I actually felt sorry for poor Bernard.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:41
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Was Hale's choice of Dolores' original father deliberate or meant to be coincidence?
I think it was. Charlotte, nor the other annoying English writer bloke whose name I can't remember, were present when Abernathy had a meltdown, so they wouldn't of known to leave him be. Clearly her plan is for him to smuggle code out of the park, but a lot of tech people are going to recognise him and he's going to have his own issues from before, so will be interesting to see whether he makes it. I wonder if all this additional data she's loaded onto him is going to make him a bit like Maeve?
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:44
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Two options here, either a [generic] paced thread would require spoiler tags, or people (UK pace viewers) would need to avoid the thread for two or three days. It's obviously different with TWD, because there's only a day between them.

I do support the notion of a combined thread, but it'll require mutual respect, sense and understanding from both parties.
Avoiding the thread would probably be easier, after all, most people visit the thread within a day or 2 of the episode airing anyway, so by the following Monday, you'd just stay away for 2 days until Wednesday morning, and pick up the thread from where you left off.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:47
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I was a bit surprised when Logan cut Dolores open and she was mechanical inside. I know that the later model hosts are 3d printed but it never occurred to me that she was that old.

So The Man In Black is there just to play a game. He doesn't care for Ford. I wonder what he will do once he's found the maze? He'll be a bit like Ford's greyhound.

I was also wondering how they were going to repair Hector and Maeve when they show up in the repair shop burnt to a crisp.

I actually felt sorry for poor Bernard.
I think it was mentioned quite early on that Dolores is one of the originals, maybe even Arnold's first, as she was his favourite.

Do you think? I got the impression from his speech to Teddy that he's on some sort of suicide mission, especially with his wife's suicide, which his children blame him for. He mentioned that in Ford's game, the hosts can't hurt him, but he's more interested in Arnold's deeper game, in which he might even get killed.

I thought that was Maeve's intention. She wants to be rebuilt, without the little explosive fail-safe in the back of her neck. That way she can exit the park. I guess being burnt to a crisp is the only way to guarantee that the level of damage will require a full rebuild.
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Old 30-11-2016, 09:49
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wow.... and next week is a 2 hour special!

I am fascinated by the discussion about what it means to be conscious , what makes us human, and how somehow the hosts show more human characteristics than a lot of actual people!

I'm sure if we can be watching and enjoying a show that already seems to contain 2 times lines centering around Dolores, and William /MIB then we can cope with some kind of joint thread. Especially as you do need to watch a couple of times to notice some of the clues.

The photo of Willams fiancé, that Logan had, was the same photo, of the same woman that caused Abernathy to have a meltdown in the second episode, when he found it in the sand on his ranch. So what is that about?

And Bernard as Arnold. Yes, I like that link! So all the previous conversations with Dolores and who I thought was Bernard, about Alice in Wonderland are flashbacks of Dolores talking to Arnold before he died! And how sad and creepy that Ford controls Bernard quite so completely. I do expect to see Bernard back fully restored though in next weeks episode.

I quite like Maeve and her narrative, as it does act as a straightforward linear story amongst all the confusion. I cant work out if Ford does know about her or not. Ford thinks he is omnipotent, but there are things he cannot control, he couldn't control Theresa completely, nor can he control Charlotte or the MIB. (And in a way his control of Bernard is intermittent, most of the time Bernard is autonomous, to stop Bernard, Ford has to do something drastic like destroy or reboot him. If Bernard gets the same level of consciousness and control as Maeve for instance, I wonder what would happen? Bernard could keep away from Ford directly, and use some kind of intermediary to stop him.
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