I do still wonder whether she is still old though, or whether she's been remade with the new technology.


There's got to be more to it than that. I suspect he knows something. Maybe he's looking for a purpose? Maybe he's looking for Arnold?


This is why I think that hosts are/can be (re)uploaded into a new body. If a visitor accidentally blew the head off Dolores or Maeve, and they were central to the plot, what then? Would they be replaced with a different host, or would they be repaired/remade? I don't understand the concept of Maeve's scar though; you'd think they'd have covered that up.


Indeed, as do I, though I'm hopeful that Maeve will be able to assist him in breaking free of Ford (assuming Ford has a Bernard backup stored away somewhere). Seems odd that he'd have Berny kill himself though, when he could have just had him shut down?! It's not as though his body would be able to turn up like Teresa, cause then the whole management team would be notified that Bernard was in fact, an AI.

MIB dragged Dolores into the barn, and something happened in there that made her able to use a gun, when previously she hadn't been able to.

If MIB is an older version of William, which is a theory a lot of people are discussing, I don't think he did rape her, I think he did something to her code/ consciousness to change her and to set her off on her solo quest to find answers.

Well, I mentioned the idea in the US pace thread recently and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of enthusiasm for it, more like opposition.

Something I missed due to a ringing phone, Ford was talking to Bernard about people/the world and I'm almost sure I heard him say people destroyed the world or something? It's something I've wondered about, the current state of the world in the Westworld universe.

Why wasn't the tech able to control the Ghost Nation hosts last night?

You make a fair point.


Well he was wrong about that! Maybe it's just that the hosts can't kill him?


The thing is, would she be rebuilt? If a host is beyond repair, from a narrative perspective, wouldn't a replacement host just be implemented? Like they did with Dolores' father? What purpose is there to rebuilding an actual host when they can just use another in a similar role?

[quote=augusta92;84741990]I'm sure if we can be watching and enjoying a show that already seems to contain 2 times lines centering around Dolores, and William /MIB then we can cope with some kind of joint thread. Especially as you do need to watch a couple of times to notice some of the clues.

The photo of Willams fiancé, that Logan had, was the same photo, of the same woman that caused Abernathy to have a meltdown in the second episode, when he found it in the sand on his ranch. So what is that about?

And Bernard as Arnold. Yes, I like that link! So all the previous conversations with Dolores and who I thought was Bernard, about Alice in Wonderland are flashbacks of Dolores talking to Arnold before he died! And how sad and creepy that Ford controls Bernard quite so completely. I do expect to see Bernard back fully restored though in next weeks episode.


I doubt he has the ability to change code, though maybe he was able to get to her, to remind her of something? It's difficult to speculate until we know more I guess.


You did? I post in there, must have missed your idea, I'd have supported it.


Depends whether what was said was literal or not. Some people today may say we've destroyed the world, but we know it's still here.


I've read two theories on that; either this ghost nation aren't actually hosts, but visitors (which would seem odd; why attack the security guy?) or that (as per an earlier discussed concept) the further out from the park town you go, the more real and dangerous the experience. I doubt the ghost nation hosts are capable of killing a person, but they could probably inflict pain etc; same as what Logan experienced.

You did, but you suggested that people watching as US pace should not post about things until people watching at UK pace had seen the episode, just isn't going to happen, as I said above, in a dual US/UK thread, people post as soon as they have seen the episode (while fresh in their head), you can't expect them to wait 2 or 3 days until you have seen it, the simplest answer is for UK pace watchers to stay away for 2 days.


See my reply above.

Yes, sorry, I meant kill him.


You're right. Thinking about it, if they were damaged beyond repair, they would just replace them with ready-made hosts, like they did with Clem. Maybe just damaged enough that the 2 tech guys she's enlisted can remove the fail-safe without suspicion?

I was just throwing out ideas/suggestions, I wasn't trying to dictate. I'm interested in whatever works best for everyone. If a dual pace thread isn't gonna work, then hey, that's cool too.

It would work, it would just mean that anyone watching at UK pace would need to stay away from the thread from the moment the episode is aired in the US, until they had watched the episode.

Same as if you recorded the episode on Sky Atlantic to watch on say Friday nights, you would be a fool to go into the thread between Tuesday night and Friday, if you didn't want to know what happens.

That is how the Walking Dead thread works, once it has aired in the US, you stay away until you have watched it.

Maybe their commands are different to the normal hosts. I think they are part of Arnolds storyline?

Let's blame Verence! He started this UK specific thread before a US pace thread was created meaning that those viewers felt that they had to create their own thread! Perhaps we can request a thread merge now as there will be plenty of post series discussion. I think from memory only one of the thread creators can do that.

Funny how the 2 threads have gone - most of the US pace was along the lines of "I have no idea what is going on but I am intrigued and will stick with it". The UK thread most folks seemed to give up after the first couple of episodes ...

I've been wondering for a while whether Ford has uploaded himself into a host in his own image. If this is the case, might there be a logic over who can control whom with voice activation - ie hosts can control hosts vocally (and perhaps on some other "frequency" / level akin to the transmitter relays -oooh, hive consciousness perhaps?!), whereas humans need the folding tablets or some other link into the system to do so? Maeve is the joker in the pack because Felix and Sylvester have boosted her administrator privileges to godlike (ie Fordlike) levels. Security-chief-Hemsworth's comms link is down so he can't use his voice activation?

90 minute season finale.

Epic.

One thing I really like are Ford's little musings on the nature of human consciousness. There's such a coldness to them, and with Hopkins delivery it makes for some very scary ideas.

My questions/theories are:

1. If Bernard is created in the image of Arnold then how come no one who works for Delos recognises him as Arnold ? Ok, I guess that there isn't anyone at the park old enough to have been around when Arnold was alive but surely there must be someone within the Delos organisation who knew Arnold or has seen a photo of him that would look at Bernard and think WTF thats Arnold ?

2. I'm thinking Logan could actually be the MiB. I don't think William (as MiB) would treat Delores so appallingly. And Logan likes wearing black.

I've been thinking this for a while (although William does seem to have turned a bit nasty!)? But it doesn't seem to be a popular POV here...

It's more than likely that Logan and Williams company is Delos which means that Delos didn't take over the Park till at least five years after Arnold died.

So no one from the company would have actually known him and I'm guessing Ford probably destroyed most visual material that showed Arnold's image (maybe all apart from that one photo).

Pure speculation but I think Arnold was probably quite reclusive when he was alive and Ford was the one who dealt with the business side of things (though not that well since the park was in serious financial trouble).



I thought that for a while but only because Williams experiences on his first visit to the park initially didn't seem to sync up with the MiB's memories.

However we have now seen that they do sync up (Hosts are mechanical and William has taken them apart piece by piece as the MiB said he did).

I think the scene where we meet the Hostess from the beginning again removes any doubt that the MiB is William, we didn't see Logan meet her.

Although MIB claims to have been to the park going on for 30 years - so every chance she would have been his "host" at some point.

I still think we have a massive twist coming with the William/Logan & Dolores timeline and they are storyboarding William = MIB way too much for me. I still think William will ultimately sacrifice himself trying to save Dolores at the hands of Logan.

Logan just won't be MiB, there has been no real investment in his character, he's weak, shallow and amoral I - just can't see it.

His turns of phrase are closer to Logan's for sure. Plus, he was very aware of the more 'hidden' facets of the 'game' - speaking of finding an 'easter egg' for example.
Either way I'm sure something huge happens to one of the pair...

Agreed, he's not much more than just a side character, an extra. The idea of him being a pivotal character like the MIB just doesn't add up. Unless of course, there's some huge twist in the finale? But even then I'd still be like... really?

Anyone notice Will's knife is the exact same as the MIB's? A not so subtle clue. Will is the MIB... maybe.

The weapons are given to guests just like the clothes. So no

Actually, they choose them.