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Westworld UK Pace - No Spoilers
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Soomacdoo
02-12-2016
I think William is the man in black 30 odd years ago. I don't think it's Logan but William possibly may take on his (ex) brothers-in-laws black dress code. There has been reference to an incident in the park 34 years ago, and I am hoping that incident will involve a gunslinger (that looks similar to Yul Brynner from the original film), will go on the rampage, start killing guests randomly and one of them will be Logan.

Remember one of the times when Bernard went down to sub level 82 where the dead hosts are kept, we saw one in the background in shadow and it looked Yul the original killer bot, they even played the weird music from the original film.
sodafountain
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“I think William is the man in black 30 odd years ago. I don't think it's Logan but William possibly may take on his (ex) brothers-in-laws black dress code. There has been reference to an incident in the park 34 years ago, and I am hoping that incident will involve a gunslinger (that looks similar to Yul Brynner from the original film), will go on the rampage, start killing guests randomly and one of them will be Logan.

Remember one of the times when Bernard went down to sub level 82 where the dead hosts are kept, we saw one in the background in shadow and it looked Yul the original killer bot, they even played the weird music from the original film.”

Switch those numbers around, 43 years ago since the original film (1973) lol
Corwin
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“The weapons are given to guests just like the clothes. So no ”

All clothes and (I think) weapons are made by the Park to the exact measurements of each unique guest.

So the handle of the Knife William picked on his first visit would be made to fit his hand exactly.

If everything is made for each guest then after they leave you either destroy it all or keep it for a possible next visit by the same guest.
Mishcoll
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“90 minute season finale.”

To be first shown at 2:00am on monday morning - same time as in America so won't need to avoid spoilers.
anyonefortennis
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mishcoll:
“To be first shown at 2:00am on monday morning - same time as in America so won't need to avoid spoilers.”

It's also showing on Tuesday night at the usual time in case people like me weren't aware of the Monday morning showing. Hmmm my Sky Q box is saying this programme cannot be recorded at 2am. 🤔
Woodbine
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mishcoll:
“To be first shown at 2:00am on monday morning - same time as in America so won't need to avoid spoilers.”

I have work at 6am but think I will try and watch it before I go, too excited for the finale.
CBFreak
02-12-2016
Every episode gets better and better. Lots to get your noggin into and some questions answered. I can see why some people have been put off the show. There is a lot of depth and converging plot lines and a heck of a mystery that for the average viewer might be a little too hard thinking. It's why I'm enjoying the show myself so much. There are not that many convoluted fantasy type shows. There is Game of Thrones but in comparison that's relatively easy to follow.

Fantasy shows don't get the respect they deserve imo. They're expected to be fluffy. (plot wise not violence wise because really killer shadow babies and zombies chewing on people is not fluffy.)

Poor Bernard. Being manipulated at every turn by Ford. His "death" did get me wondering with him being a remake of Harold. Could the way that Ford dispatched him be a hint as to how Harold originally died? We know from Delores confession that she killed him but as Ford likes to use the Hosts to commit acts of murder could he have been the one to order her to do it?

The Phrase first used by Abernathy to Delores and then Delores to Maeve. It's never been used again. It has to have some more relevance? I'm assuming it's a fail safe code implemented by Harold. But it's been niggling at me since it was last used.
Soomacdoo
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by CBFreak:
“Every episode gets better and better. Lots to get your noggin into and some questions answered. I can see why some people have been put off the show. There is a lot of depth and converging plot lines and a heck of a mystery that for the average viewer might be a little too hard thinking. It's why I'm enjoying the show myself so much. There are not that many convoluted fantasy type shows. There is Game of Thrones but in comparison that's relatively easy to follow.

Fantasy shows don't get the respect they deserve imo. They're expected to be fluffy. (plot wise not violence wise because really killer shadow babies and zombies chewing on people is not fluffy.)

Poor Bernard. Being manipulated at every turn by Ford. His "death" did get me wondering with him being a remake of Harold. Could the way that Ford dispatched him be a hint as to how Harold originally died? We know from Delores confession that she killed him but as Ford likes to use the Hosts to commit acts of murder could he have been the one to order her to do it?

The Phrase first used by Abernathy to Delores and then Delores to Maeve. It's never been used again. It has to have some more relevance? I'm assuming it's a fail safe code implemented by Harold. But it's been niggling at me since it was last used.”

Who's Harold?
derek500
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“It's also showing on Tuesday night at the usual time in case people like me weren't aware of the Monday morning showing. Hmmm my Sky Q box is saying this programme cannot be recorded at 2am. 🤔”

Didn't try directly, but it set OK using the Sky Q app.
Andrew_Ballard
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“Who's Harold?”

Harold Finch.
dodrade
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mishcoll:
“To be first shown at 2:00am on monday morning - same time as in America so won't need to avoid spoilers.”

48 hours between US/UK pace is too big a gap for one thread but obviously wouldn't be a problem if S2 is simulcast.
CBFreak
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“Who's Harold?”

Gah I meant Arnold. Serves me right for posting as soon as I got home from work.
owenmahamilton
03-12-2016
If it's a 90 minute finale I wonder why the regular Tuesday slot is from 21:00 to 22:45 which is 105 minutes not 90.
Woodbine
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by owenmahamilton:
“If it's a 90 minute finale I wonder why the regular Tuesday slot is from 21:00 to 22:45 which is 105 minutes not 90.”

probably to fit in more ad breaks.
derek500
03-12-2016
In the US it's down as 91m and that's ad free.

With the 4% quicker running time it will be around 87m here.

With normal ad break allocaton that would get a two hour slot.

We've watched the whole series ad free On Demand so far. Looks like the 'live' showing is without ads.
Paradise_Lost
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Woodbine:
“probably to fit in more ad breaks.”

It's on HBO in the US. There are never ads. So if the time slot is bigger there that means it will be a longer finale.

I'm hoping for S2 there will be just a one day difference for every episode between airings here and there.
egghead1
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“In the US it's down as 91m and that's ad free.

With the 4% quicker running time it will be around 87m here.


With normal ad break allocaton that would get a two hour slot.

We've watched the whole series ad free On Demand so far. Looks like the 'live' showing is without ads.”

BIB-Huh? If its 91m ad free then its 91m how can it run faster over here?
derek500
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“BIB-Huh? If its 91m ad free then its 91m how can it run faster over here? ”

Frame rate. Films and US TV are 24 frames per second, UK TV runs at 25fps. So we get an extra frame per second.

In one minute the US will get 1440 frames (24x60). In the UK we'll get to 1440 frames in 57.6 seconds (1440/25) so 2.4 seconds faster!!!

I'm no expert but that's the gist of it.

If you've got Sky Cinema you check the running time of films on the EPG with IMDB and you'll see they're 4% shorter.
blueisthecolour
03-12-2016
I read an article the other day which argued that although Westworld was great tv that it wasn't great story telling. Basically it's main point was that fundamentally nothing makes sense in the show - Why would the world's most advanced AI technology be used to develop a adult theme park where people can kill and f**K? How does the park prevent the hundreds of accidents that would almost certainly happen to guests in such and environment? And why is a high value company seemingly run entirely by a crazy old man and a group of incompetent managers (one of whom is identical to one of the founders??).

Basically it was saying that we have another Lost on our hands - great entertaining tv but ultimately nothing is going to make sense without some ridiculous plot twists and ex-machina endings.

I suppose we will see . . . . .
TommyNooka
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“I read an article the other day which argued that although Westworld was great tv that it wasn't great story telling. Basically it's main point was that fundamentally nothing makes sense in the show - Why would the world's most advanced AI technology be used to develop a adult theme park where people can kill and f**K? How does the park prevent the hundreds of accidents that would almost certainly happen to guests in such and environment? And why is a high value company seemingly run entirely by a crazy old man and a group of incompetent managers (one of whom is identical to one of the founders??).

Basically it was saying that we have another Lost on our hands - great entertaining tv but ultimately nothing is going to make sense without some ridiculous plot twists and ex-machina endings.

I suppose we will see . . . . .”

Funny how every one of those questions could be applied to Jurassic Park but because it's Dinosaurs + Steven Spielberg we just let it slide.
Countless shows and movies require suspension of disbelief, I don't think it's going to be anything like Lost, Lost had too much 'magic' to explain and ultimately couldn't.
CBFreak
04-12-2016
With Lost I got the impression the writers were making it up as they went along whereas Westworld feels like the writers are building up to something more carefully planned
RebelScum
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“I read an article the other day which argued that although Westworld was great tv that it wasn't great story telling. Basically it's main point was that fundamentally nothing makes sense in the show - Why would the world's most advanced AI technology be used to develop a adult theme park where people can kill and f**K? How does the park prevent the hundreds of accidents that would almost certainly happen to guests in such and environment? And why is a high value company seemingly run entirely by a crazy old man and a group of incompetent managers (one of whom is identical to one of the founders??).”

I'm guessing whoever wrote the article doesn't have much of an imagination. Developing AI in a theme park could allow the technology to advance, potentially to a point where the technology could be used by more sinister organisations with their own agendas, say, to replace world leaders or something. As for the company being run by a crazy old man...one word; Trump.

Quote:
“Basically it was saying that we have another Lost on our hands - great entertaining tv but ultimately nothing is going to make sense without some ridiculous plot twists and ex-machina endings.”

Battlestar Galactica would be a for more appropriate example for this, given that's exactly what we got.
Eve Elle
04-12-2016
Great tv, but not great story telling?

Smells like a self important ego just trying to show how clever they are by going against the grain. I say... meh. The show wouldn't have captured viewers imaginations in the way it that it has if it wasn't great story telling. Just because the story telling is framed in non linear and other ways doesn't negate the fact that it's still great story telling. LOST was made up as it went along with only the vaguest of outlines guiding it. Westworld feels far more solid. The guy who wrote that article is just talking out his ass trying to get attention.
plankwalker
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by CBFreak:
“With Lost I got the impression the writers were making it up as they went along whereas Westworld feels like the writers are building up to something more carefully planned”

I really hope so. An acid test for any series is whether you would a few years on rewatch. No way with lost. I hope that where ever they are taking the audience with Westworld, which I am enjoying, they don't drag it out for several seasons.
egghead1
04-12-2016
The finale is being shown simultaneously on Sky Atlantic at 2am UK time.
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