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Old 02-11-2016, 05:26
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Or there again perhaps some people simply could follow the plot lines and appreciated the complex and insightful writing?
There is a big difference between complex writing and simply leaving big plot holes and unresolved issues for which there are no answers no matter how much you find the writing insightful
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:17
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To quote Catherine Tate.."wadda load of old shit".

Cerebral ? There's more "exploration of the human psyche" in an eplsode of Peppa Pig than the entire third series of this twaddle. It would have been OK as a simple serial killer thriller, but let's not make it out to be something it wasn't. It's like saying "Silence of The Lambs" was some kind of study of the human condition.
Totally disagree although I draw the line at using the word cerebral.

I thought season 3 was wonderful and the finale in particular was superb.

Dornan and Anderson were outstanding
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Old 02-11-2016, 19:13
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Wow. I watched the last 2 episodes today and I thought it was outstanding. I had no idea how it could end and when it did I thought that was the only way it could have ended.

For the whole time I've been watching Spector I've felt - I dunno - sympathy maybe. I've always thought there's a good side to him, he's a good Dad, he's a counselor, he volunteered on a help line. Then this series we found out his back story. I couldn't help for feel sorry for the 8 year old boy who lost his Mum, for the 13 year old boy who'd been abused.

Then in the final episode Gibson was goading him and just as I was thinking "back off" I could see Spector turning. Something about their relationship was just electric. He became terrifying just by looking at her. (Awards needed just for his acting without words) Then he flipped and it was unbelievable shocking. I'm glad he killed himself in the end. He'd have owned whatever prison he went to.

I really hope we see Gibson again. I disagree with an earlier comment that it would have to be in Belfast. ACC Burns has resigned so no need for her to go to Belfast again. But I'd really like to find out more about her.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:03
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Just caught up with this. Jamie Dornan was outstanding, his eyes alone, left no need for words, when he was raging. I do agree with others, I did have sympathy for him, and his dreadful childhood and teenage years.

What I was wondering was when he was hanging himself on the back of the door, he seemed to be pulling at the bag, was that just a natural reaction to that type of death, or did he not intend to kill himself?

Any thoughts?
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:06
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Just caught up with this. Jamie Dornan was outstanding, his eyes alone, left no need for words, when he was raging. I do agree with others, I did have sympathy for him, and his dreadful childhood and teenage years.

What I was wondering was when he was hanging himself on the back of the door, he seemed to be pulling at the bag, was that just a natural reaction to that type of death, or did he not intend to kill himself?

Any thoughts?
I would think it a natural reaction .Of course he intended to kill himself , he employed two methods?
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:16
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I would think it a natural reaction .Of course he intended to kill himself , he employed two methods?
It could have been something sexual, as he was obviously not just a vanilla sex kind of guy.

Thanks for the sarcasm though
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:07
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It could have been something sexual, as he was obviously not just a vanilla sex kind of guy.

Thanks for the sarcasm though
No sarcasm intended
I agree with you that there would have been a sexual element iincluded in his choice .
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:17
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No sarcasm intended
I agree with you that there would have been a sexual element iincluded in his choice .
Sorry.

Would you have preferred a different ending?
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:44
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Spector killed himself the same way his mother did, and reaching or tugging at the bag was a natural reaction. If he got some autoerotic thrill too...who knows. But it was definitely a suicide.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:08
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Spector killed himself the same way his mother did, and reaching or tugging at the bag was a natural reaction. If he got some autoerotic thrill too...who knows. But it was definitely a suicide.
Thank you for your reply.

Were you happy with that ending, or did you feel it was a cop-out?
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Old 03-11-2016, 13:00
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Sorry.

Would you have preferred a different ending?
No .Would you ?
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Old 03-11-2016, 13:31
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Latecomer to the debate after just catching up with it all last night - I have to say that I was SO disappointed with this series after the first 2.
Too slow, the first episode in particular was like an episode of Casualty in slow motion.
Gibson's breathy stilted voice really started to pee me off in this series and Dornan's limited abilty shone through in the almost complete lack of any words to say for 6 episodes. He did do the facial expressions pretty well and the sudden attack on Gibson was probably the highlight for me - just a shame that he didn't kill her and we then would not be able to see her character return at any point.....
At least we are spared Dornan coming back to life, I hope!

The dialogue between Gibson and Katie went on far too long to what end? Yes, we got to hear about Gibson's own demons but I seriously did not care by then I was so irritated by her.
This could easily have been a 4 episode series and that would have been too long for me.
If there is ever a new Fall - with Gibson,. perhaps in another city, count me out

Finally, as a general and psychiatric nurse - the holes were startlingly obvious. He stayed in ICU when off the ventilator? No chance. His nurse there having a psychology degree with all her questions, in all, a complete lack of attention to what it would have been like in reality.
In the secure hospital, there would be no loose or cornered furniture in any room, no ligature points and certainly he would not have been allowed a pen/pencil at any time - it's a lethal weapon in places like that. I am all for dramatic licence but this was so far removed from reality I just laughed at it.
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Old 03-11-2016, 13:32
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I'm not sure. He didn't really pay for his crimes, and took the easy way out.
By the same token he suffered alot in his earlier years, so you couldn't help but sympathise with him. It didn't help that he was so charming and good looking also.

Nevertheless he was sadistic and extremely violent so he should really have been jailed, then he could have been in S4 if there is one, and they could tie up the loose ends with the other characters. Perhaps then he could have hanged himself when he had served some time maybe?
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Old 03-11-2016, 14:04
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Thank you for your reply.

Were you happy with that ending, or did you feel it was a cop-out?
I always thought it would end with Spector's suicide...a final act of control by him, very in-character. It could have been better overall, but could have been worse. I found his strangulation of the young lad hard to watch, and the suicide scene, but I like challenging telly!
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Old 03-11-2016, 14:04
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Oh, and by the way, as counsellors go, Paul Spector was crap.
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Old 03-11-2016, 15:35
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Oh, and by the way, as counsellors go, Paul Spector was crap.
LOL in what way?
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Old 03-11-2016, 21:41
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LOL in what way?
His body language was all wrong whilst talking to Liz Tyler. And his questions were crap too - no eye contact, you name it.
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Old 03-11-2016, 21:49
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Did you know there's a French remake in the works? A ten-episode version called "Dans l'ombre du tueur," or "In The Shadow of the Killer."

Literally cannot wait...!!!
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Old 03-11-2016, 22:42
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To quote Catherine Tate.."wadda load of old shit".

Cerebral ? There's more "exploration of the human psyche" in an eplsode of Peppa Pig than the entire third series of this twaddle. It would have been OK as a simple serial killer thriller, but let's not make it out to be something it wasn't. It's like saying "Silence of The Lambs" was some kind of study of the human condition.
I've never used the abbreviation Roflmao (Did I even get it right?!) But I'm very much "mu ha ha ing" 😂😂😂
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Old 03-11-2016, 22:52
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So just googled "The fall fanfiction."

All porn.
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Old 03-11-2016, 22:54
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Oh, and if a real-life serial killer starts strangling women in Belfast he'll need a new, original nickname because "the Belfast Strangler" is now taken. How about "the murdering twat?"
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Old 03-11-2016, 23:34
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One sees the same attitude in much other drama when the writer has failed to tie up key plotlines either out of carelessness/laziness or because they think it is clever to fail to do so. There is always a section of the audience who claim it was brilliantly artistic and that those who don't understand lack intelligence when in reality the emperor has no clothes.
It was very moody and artistic and slow, which doesn't appeal to everyone. That doesn't mean it has no merit. I really enjoyed the slowness of it (not so much episode 1 which really was like 24Hrs in A&E) but the acting of all the main players was great and the amnesia angle was interesting. I got really into it again during episode 3. I'm not sure what plot line you thought needed tying up?
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Old 03-11-2016, 23:46
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His body language was all wrong whilst talking to Liz Tyler. And his questions were crap too - no eye contact, you name it.
Wasn't that supposed to be a part of his sociopathic make up?. his eye contact with his own family was no better. But I agree that he's the last person you'd want as your counsellor.
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:00
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Oh, and by the way, as counsellors go, Paul Spector was crap.
He did get Liz Tyler away from her abusive husband.
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:14
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He did get Liz Tyler away from her abusive husband.
I remember the scene in the first series when that abusive thug tried to intimidate Spector and was totally unsettled by the fact that Paul just looked at him as if he was a small child having a temper tantrum!
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