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Mrs Fuzzy used to work as a theatre nurse.
It is rare that she says TV comes close to what surgery is like (procedures, dialogue, scenes etc.) but it was almost spot on by all accounts from her corner of the sofa. |
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Colin Morgan looked pale and interesting. I am still convinced he has had his ears pinned back!
He seems quite huffed that Stella seemed more concerned about Spector when they'd both been shot. |
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.
The duty nurse is played by actress/comedian Aisling Bea, so she will no doubt play a significant part in the story. And it's good to see Richard Coyle, though sadly for only one episode. |
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I prefer a drama that's realistic, has good acting in it and doesn't involve padding to get an extra series out of it.
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Audacious first episode! Intriguing to imagine where this series is going to go in terms of storyline?
Katie really looks to have grown up a lot overnight! |
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.
My sentiments exactly. If the car chase / door kicking in folks just commented once to the effect that they found it dull and it isn't for them, and then went off to other threads, that would be fair enough. But quite a few of them don't, they keep coming back to tell the rest of us repeatedly how sh*te it is! Never seen hospital scenes like that before, very well done I thought. MInd you it did occur to me that in real life all those staff wouldn't be available, most of them would be dealing with drunks and druggies! |
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Worst episode ever and those medical scenes bored me to tears.
Also what's with all the hate in this thread? On Facebook and other sites people act like The Fall is the best thing ever. Typical Digital Spy hating on everything possible. |
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.
The duty nurse is played by actress/comedian Aisling Bea, so she will no doubt play a significant part in the story. And it's good to see Richard Coyle, though sadly for only one episode. |
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I don't think it's anything to do with people wanting car chases and shoot-outs. It's just the implausibility of the whole thing. It should have ended at the end of series two, and even that was dragging it out. To carry it on to a third series is just pushing the bounds of plausibility beyond reasonable limits for many people when they sit down and really think about it.
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Let's just agree to differ. Most drama requires a certain suspension of disbelief. I'm happy to do that for the originality and quality of this production.
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oh so good!
setting up numerous scenes and paths to possibly go down atmospheric, slightly creepy and oh my god Im glad The Fall is back! |
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Well in spite of what other people on here have been saying I rather enjoyed that, as I always have.
I think the show had a choice to make early on which was to either return to Stella with a different case, or explore the same case in more depth. Likely not wanting to let go of Jamie '50 Shades' Dornan they opted to stick with the same case. It did lead to a difficult second series where you didn't know where it was going exactly, though it was still largely quite good. I personally think it works better in hindsight with this being the confirmed final series of the show. Series 1 explored the crime, Series 2 explored the capture, Series 3 presumably explores either the courts of the conviction. I think it works nicely as a three-part act - the second series could have become gratuitously bloodthirsty had it just kept up the killing spree but aside from the odd leap of logic it's done quite well to explore just the one case. Others think the show drags but I enjoy the fact it takes its time, I think it has just enough character nuances to pull it off. At this point I love seeing how Stella interacts with everyone - her obsession with Spector shows how fixated and even troubled she is herself (I saw the whole thing with the old woman at the end as being her excuse to stay at the hospital as she couldn't let go of the job), her scene with Tom Stagg was perhaps the strongest bit of dialogue in the episode as she explained the difference between submitting and consenting, whilst her relationship with Merlin is really interesting too. I'm glad to see it back! ![]() Quote:
If I was to try and think about it from a drama/metaphorical point of view I'd probably think it was there to be a bit unsettling. They emphasised how gruesome the surgery was, and didn't hold back from letting it run relentlessly with all the technobabble you'd expect to hear and not understand. It's a character we're supposed to really, really hate - they want to portray the saving of his life as something relentlessly disgusting that we also can't quite make sense of.
That is, if you care for reading into these kinds of things ![]() All that medical drama was justaposed with the story of the army medic. The army medic struggled with treating badly injured Tablian militants with his own army buddies based on clinical needs. And there is Stella's talk of the need to keep him alive and bring to justice. As I was watching the medical scenes (which went on for the best part of 30mins from the time Spector was brought in to end of the surgery), I was deeply critical and scathing of it. Yes, Casualty and Holby came to my mind as I was watching. But with hindsight, it was an immature view to take, because taken as a whole the episode makes sense. The amount of effort, time and yes, even money (not to mention all those drugs they pumped into his system, they had used twice the amt of blood Spector's body needed to save his life, with the surgeon making a sarcastic comment: "Only the best") that went into saving a murdering rapist, and that a young officer's career might be over because of Spector, was meant to disgust the viewer, even cause it to be the final nail in the coffin for many. But then Stella and Tom's scene and Richard Coyle's character's anedotal story come into play, and you realise that these are the very difficult decisions real life people have to make, balance and live with. The TV viewer munching on pop-corn is spared that ordeal. This is the moral, ethic and financial cost it takes to bring an injured murdering rapist to justice. It's not for the faint-hearted. |
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oh so good!
setting up numerous scenes and paths to possibly go down atmospheric, slightly creepy and oh my god Im glad The Fall is back! |
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Oh yes, I agree. The production values are top notch. I just wish they had given Stella another case, maybe moving her back to London with some fresh characters.
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Worst episode ever and those medical scenes bored me to tears.
Also what's with all the hate in this thread? On Facebook and other sites people act like The Fall is the best thing ever. Typical Digital Spy hating on everything possible. Don't those two paragraphs contradict each other as you're also hating on it?
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Something relentlessly disgusting that ibrings up questions of the ethics and morality of it.
All that medical drama was justaposed with the story of the army medic. The army medic struggled with treating badly injured Tablian militants with his own army buddies based on clinical needs. And there is Stella's talk of the need to keep him alive and bring to justice. As I was watching the medical scenes (which went on for the best part of 30mins from the time Spector was brought in to end of the surgery), I was deeply critical and scathing of it. Yes, Casualty and Holby came to my mind as I was watching. But with hindsight, it was an immature view to take, because taken as a whole the episode makes sense. The amount of effort, time and yes, even money (not to mention all those drugs they pumped into his system, they had used twice the amt of blood Spector's body to save his live, with the surgeon making a sarcastic comment: "Only the best") that went into saving a murdering rapists, and that anyoung officer's career might be over because of Spector was meant to disgust the viewer, even cause it to be the final nail in the coffin for many. But then Stella and Tom's scene and Richard Coyle's character's anedotal story come into play, and you realise that these are the very difficult decisions real life people have to make, balance and live with. The TV viewer munching on pop-corn is spared that ordeal. This is the moral, ethic and financial cost it takes to bring an injured murdering rapist to justice. It's not for the faint-hearted. There has always been a certain amount of moral ambiguity about the treatment of the Spector character throughout the three series. The dichotomy between the genuinely caring family man and cold-blooded serial rapist and killer is disturbing. And it wasn't helped by the casting of a very attractive actor, unlike the slightly freaky or thuggish types who generally play the villain. I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her. |
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Don't those two paragraphs contradict each other as you're also hating on it?
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Oh yes, I agree. The production values are top notch. I just wish they had given Stella another case, maybe moving her back to London with some fresh characters.
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I don't think so. Very difficult scene to shoot I would imagine.
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I agree.
There has always been a certain amount of moral ambiguity about the treatment of the Spector character throughout the three series. The dichotomy between the genuinely caring family man and cold-blooded serial rapist and killer is disturbing. And it wasn't helped by the casting of a very attractive actor, unlike the slightly freaky or thuggish types who generally play the villain. I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her. |
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...and that Doctor in charge was so annoying.
The 4th series of Coupling without him is so bad I've never got past half way through the first episode. I may have to give the whole series a try again as I've had the DVD's for about a decade. As for The Fall, I have to watch at 1.5 times speed as Gillian Anderson still appears to be on a go slow dialog wise. |
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If I was to try and think about it from a drama/metaphorical point of view I'd probably think it was there to be a bit unsettling. They emphasised how gruesome the surgery was, and didn't hold back from letting it run relentlessly with all the technobabble you'd expect to hear and not understand. It's a character we're supposed to really, really hate - they want to portray the saving of his life as something relentlessly disgusting that we also can't quite make sense of.
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I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her.
On a surface level she probably really believes her story she told Anderson about why she was more concerned with helping Spector in the woods rather than him. |
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Good post and BIB definitely agree with! More than a bat sqeak though.
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I love this series, but its hard to defend this episode, it does very little to further the plot, the problem is that they had to have this episode, they need to earn this get out of jail free plot they are giving Spector, to allow the show to have this series.
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