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Old 30-09-2016, 07:16
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Mrs Fuzzy used to work as a theatre nurse.

It is rare that she says TV comes close to what surgery is like (procedures, dialogue, scenes etc.) but it was almost spot on by all accounts from her corner of the sofa.
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Old 30-09-2016, 07:24
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Colin Morgan looked pale and interesting. I am still convinced he has had his ears pinned back!
I think so too. It's weird because I didn't find him attractive at all as Merlin, but in the 2nd series of this he was very attractive, but his ears were a distraction.

He seems quite huffed that Stella seemed more concerned about Spector when they'd both been shot.
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Old 30-09-2016, 07:31
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.

The duty nurse is played by actress/comedian Aisling Bea, so she will no doubt play a significant part in the story. And it's good to see Richard Coyle, though sadly for only one episode.
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Old 30-09-2016, 08:34
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I prefer a drama that's realistic, has good acting in it and doesn't involve padding to get an extra series out of it.
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Old 30-09-2016, 08:54
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Audacious first episode! Intriguing to imagine where this series is going to go in terms of storyline?

Katie really looks to have grown up a lot overnight!
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Old 30-09-2016, 09:05
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.

My sentiments exactly.

If the car chase / door kicking in folks just commented once to the effect that they found it dull and it isn't for them, and then went off to other threads, that would be fair enough. But quite a few of them don't, they keep coming back to tell the rest of us repeatedly how sh*te it is!

Never seen hospital scenes like that before, very well done I thought. MInd you it did occur to me that in real life all those staff wouldn't be available, most of them would be dealing with drunks and druggies!
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Old 30-09-2016, 09:10
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Worst episode ever and those medical scenes bored me to tears.

Also what's with all the hate in this thread? On Facebook and other sites people act like The Fall is the best thing ever. Typical Digital Spy hating on everything possible.
What a bizarre couple of paragraphs.
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Old 30-09-2016, 09:31
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I thought it was excellent: disturbing, subtle, atmospheric. If you want your police drama with car chases and doors being kicked in, this probably isn't for you.

The duty nurse is played by actress/comedian Aisling Bea, so she will no doubt play a significant part in the story. And it's good to see Richard Coyle, though sadly for only one episode.
I don't think it's anything to do with people wanting car chases and shoot-outs. It's just the implausibility of the whole thing. It should have ended at the end of series two, and even that was dragging it out. To carry it on to a third series is just pushing the bounds of plausibility beyond reasonable limits for many people when they sit down and really think about it.
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Old 30-09-2016, 09:39
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I don't think it's anything to do with people wanting car chases and shoot-outs. It's just the implausibility of the whole thing. It should have ended at the end of series two, and even that was dragging it out. To carry it on to a third series is just pushing the bounds of plausibility beyond reasonable limits for many people when they sit down and really think about it.
Let's just agree to differ. Most drama requires a certain suspension of disbelief. I'm happy to do that for the originality and quality of this production.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:01
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Let's just agree to differ. Most drama requires a certain suspension of disbelief. I'm happy to do that for the originality and quality of this production.
Oh yes, I agree. The production values are top notch. I just wish they had given Stella another case, maybe moving her back to London with some fresh characters.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:08
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oh so good!

setting up numerous scenes and paths to possibly go down

atmospheric, slightly creepy and oh my god Im glad The Fall is back!
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:21
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Well in spite of what other people on here have been saying I rather enjoyed that, as I always have.

I think the show had a choice to make early on which was to either return to Stella with a different case, or explore the same case in more depth. Likely not wanting to let go of Jamie '50 Shades' Dornan they opted to stick with the same case. It did lead to a difficult second series where you didn't know where it was going exactly, though it was still largely quite good. I personally think it works better in hindsight with this being the confirmed final series of the show. Series 1 explored the crime, Series 2 explored the capture, Series 3 presumably explores either the courts of the conviction. I think it works nicely as a three-part act - the second series could have become gratuitously bloodthirsty had it just kept up the killing spree but aside from the odd leap of logic it's done quite well to explore just the one case. Others think the show drags but I enjoy the fact it takes its time, I think it has just enough character nuances to pull it off. At this point I love seeing how Stella interacts with everyone - her obsession with Spector shows how fixated and even troubled she is herself (I saw the whole thing with the old woman at the end as being her excuse to stay at the hospital as she couldn't let go of the job), her scene with Tom Stagg was perhaps the strongest bit of dialogue in the episode as she explained the difference between submitting and consenting, whilst her relationship with Merlin is really interesting too.

I'm glad to see it back!
Couldn't agree more

If I was to try and think about it from a drama/metaphorical point of view I'd probably think it was there to be a bit unsettling. They emphasised how gruesome the surgery was, and didn't hold back from letting it run relentlessly with all the technobabble you'd expect to hear and not understand. It's a character we're supposed to really, really hate - they want to portray the saving of his life as something relentlessly disgusting that we also can't quite make sense of.

That is, if you care for reading into these kinds of things
Something relentlessly disgusting that ibrings up questions of the ethics and morality of it.

All that medical drama was justaposed with the story of the army medic. The army medic struggled with treating badly injured Tablian militants with his own army buddies based on clinical needs. And there is Stella's talk of the need to keep him alive and bring to justice.

As I was watching the medical scenes (which went on for the best part of 30mins from the time Spector was brought in to end of the surgery), I was deeply critical and scathing of it. Yes, Casualty and Holby came to my mind as I was watching. But with hindsight, it was an immature view to take, because taken as a whole the episode makes sense. The amount of effort, time and yes, even money (not to mention all those drugs they pumped into his system, they had used twice the amt of blood Spector's body needed to save his life, with the surgeon making a sarcastic comment: "Only the best") that went into saving a murdering rapist, and that a young officer's career might be over because of Spector, was meant to disgust the viewer, even cause it to be the final nail in the coffin for many. But then Stella and Tom's scene and Richard Coyle's character's anedotal story come into play, and you realise that these are the very difficult decisions real life people have to make, balance and live with. The TV viewer munching on pop-corn is spared that ordeal.

This is the moral, ethic and financial cost it takes to bring an injured murdering rapist to justice. It's not for the faint-hearted.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:27
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oh so good!

setting up numerous scenes and paths to possibly go down

atmospheric, slightly creepy and oh my god Im glad The Fall is back!
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:28
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Oh yes, I agree. The production values are top notch. I just wish they had given Stella another case, maybe moving her back to London with some fresh characters.
Why London? There are enough dramas set in London as it is. The Belfast setting brings a lot of atmosphere and tension to the drama. And it's nice to see other cities outside the capital.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:30
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Worst episode ever and those medical scenes bored me to tears.

Also what's with all the hate in this thread? On Facebook and other sites people act like The Fall is the best thing ever. Typical Digital Spy hating on everything possible.

Don't those two paragraphs contradict each other as you're also hating on it?
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:39
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Something relentlessly disgusting that ibrings up questions of the ethics and morality of it.

All that medical drama was justaposed with the story of the army medic. The army medic struggled with treating badly injured Tablian militants with his own army buddies based on clinical needs. And there is Stella's talk of the need to keep him alive and bring to justice.

As I was watching the medical scenes (which went on for the best part of 30mins from the time Spector was brought in to end of the surgery), I was deeply critical and scathing of it. Yes, Casualty and Holby came to my mind as I was watching. But with hindsight, it was an immature view to take, because taken as a whole the episode makes sense. The amount of effort, time and yes, even money (not to mention all those drugs they pumped into his system, they had used twice the amt of blood Spector's body to save his live, with the surgeon making a sarcastic comment: "Only the best") that went into saving a murdering rapists, and that anyoung officer's career might be over because of Spector was meant to disgust the viewer, even cause it to be the final nail in the coffin for many. But then Stella and Tom's scene and Richard Coyle's character's anedotal story come into play, and you realise that these are the very difficult decisions real life people have to make, balance and live with. The TV viewer munching on pop-corn is spared that ordeal.

This is the moral, ethic and financial cost it takes to bring an injured murdering rapist to justice. It's not for the faint-hearted.
I agree.

There has always been a certain amount of moral ambiguity about the treatment of the Spector character throughout the three series. The dichotomy between the genuinely caring family man and cold-blooded serial rapist and killer is disturbing. And it wasn't helped by the casting of a very attractive actor, unlike the slightly freaky or thuggish types who generally play the villain. I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:41
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Don't those two paragraphs contradict each other as you're also hating on it?
I only hated this episode. I've noticed on here that people are hating on the entire show, especially series 2 which everyone elsewhere loved.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:45
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Oh yes, I agree. The production values are top notch. I just wish they had given Stella another case, maybe moving her back to London with some fresh characters.
No way. Belfast makes the show unique and there are lots of good police characters aswell, especially Merlin.
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Old 30-09-2016, 10:49
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I don't think so. Very difficult scene to shoot I would imagine.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:05
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I agree.

There has always been a certain amount of moral ambiguity about the treatment of the Spector character throughout the three series. The dichotomy between the genuinely caring family man and cold-blooded serial rapist and killer is disturbing. And it wasn't helped by the casting of a very attractive actor, unlike the slightly freaky or thuggish types who generally play the villain. I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her.
Good post and BIB definitely agree with! More than a bat sqeak though.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:10
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...and that Doctor in charge was so annoying.
Maybe he was, but every single time he appeared on screen I couldn't help thinking he (Richard Coyle) was still Jeff in an episode of Coupling and a line would come out and have me rolling on the floor laughing so much my ribs would ache.

The 4th series of Coupling without him is so bad I've never got past half way through the first episode. I may have to give the whole series a try again as I've had the DVD's for about a decade.

As for The Fall, I have to watch at 1.5 times speed as Gillian Anderson still appears to be on a go slow dialog wise.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:36
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If I was to try and think about it from a drama/metaphorical point of view I'd probably think it was there to be a bit unsettling. They emphasised how gruesome the surgery was, and didn't hold back from letting it run relentlessly with all the technobabble you'd expect to hear and not understand. It's a character we're supposed to really, really hate - they want to portray the saving of his life as something relentlessly disgusting that we also can't quite make sense of.

That is, if you care for reading into these kinds of things
Yes good points as well. Oh and I do care to interpret - English graduate so used to looking 'between the lines'.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:49
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I've always wondered if Stella's obsession with him perhaps contained just the tiniest bat-squeak of lust, possibly unrealised even by her.
Indeed - they have a weird psychosexual fascination with each other probably not recognised consciously. They play cat and mouse: Stella putting on the particular shade of red nail varnish for the presser that she knew Spector would be watching in the previous series, Spector with the "Oh Stella, how well I know you now" line after he'd read her diary etc.

On a surface level she probably really believes her story she told Anderson about why she was more concerned with helping Spector in the woods rather than him.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:50
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Good post and BIB definitely agree with! More than a bat sqeak though.
Hmmm... Well, Agent Starling ended up as Hannibal Lector's mistress! Only in the book though - the film chickened out.
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Old 30-09-2016, 11:53
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I love this series, but its hard to defend this episode, it does very little to further the plot, the problem is that they had to have this episode, they need to earn this get out of jail free plot they are giving Spector, to allow the show to have this series.
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