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Old 06-10-2016, 22:35
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Isn't the point becoming a little clearer; Stella is resisting self-destructive compulsions and it's far from certain she will be able to resist - whatever drives her 'fatal attraction' to extreme masculine behaviour will be slowly revealed, as will her essential femininity and compassion.

Whether Allan Cubbitt is referencing Greek or Shakespearian tragedy (and if this reading is correct) the ending does not bode well for Stella - hers is likely a tragic ending. Though we will finally get some sense of why she is this way. The Spector character is just a device.

I just wish she'd sort out the 'pull' part of her front crawl stroke because otherwise it's quite a decent action.
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Old 06-10-2016, 22:37
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What I want to know is, why was she being interviewed by double murderer Hazel Stewart?
That's what we said too!

And Jamie Dornan's dad was the Chief Constable!
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Old 06-10-2016, 22:45
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So, is Paul trying the "I don't remember anything about the last 10 years" ploy? and was he really in a car crash 10 years before?

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Old 06-10-2016, 22:47
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Tell you what, when that pathetic obsessed babysitter gets her comeuppance I'll be cheering!
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Old 06-10-2016, 23:03
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So, is Paul trying the "I don't remember anything about the last 10 years" ploy? and was he really in a car crash 10 years before?

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Gathering so he is very clever or could be genuine
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Old 06-10-2016, 23:14
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Tell you what, when that pathetic obsessed babysitter gets her comeuppance I'll be cheering!
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:36
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Does anyone know if they've used music from Les Revenants? The track at the end sounded very familiar to me and got a strong Mowgli vibe from it.
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:53
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Gillian Anderson's voice is irritating me so much! Did she not read all the complaints about it in the previous series?
It's her voice, what's she suppose to do about it?
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Old 07-10-2016, 02:27
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It's her voice, what's she suppose to do about it?
But is it? Or is that husky whispering just an affectation?

It happens. I know someone who deliberately puts a "croak" into her voice because she thinks it sounds sexy. She quite often forgets though and speaks normally.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:13
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I initially thought Spector was faking the memory loss, especially when his first grab of the nurse (Aisling Bea's character) when he woke up was really strong, yet later on when she was doing checks on his hand the squeezes by him were weak. I thought this was part of him pretending to be physically weak so he can lure people into a false sense of safety around him. However when his tears came (when daughter was with him) I thought that was implying the memory loss was in fact genuine (because he had reverted to the normal human Paul that could cry pre-killing, as opposed to still being the physco killer that prob wouldn't be able to spontaneously shed the tears). Maybe it will be revealed he was faking it and really was that good.

I really hope we're not going to see this nurse fall for Spector, that would be so typical, especially if she really does think he's lost his memory and hence presumes he is no threat to her if is set back in time of his killer self. I think this notion that he's irresistible to any female just because he's not an ugly killer is so strange and unconvincing. Even the way he acts with people before he kills them or even if has no intention to kill them seems somewhat off-ish, and therefore to me wouldn't seem like the type of guy that woman would universally like (some obv yes, there always will be some, but not universally). Maybe I'm wrongly presuming the air of creepiness of him is meant to be just shared with the viewers and not being translated to others around him (victims or otherwise). I guess as viewers we're still meant to believe that he's fooled everyone with his quiet, softly spoken and physically nonthreatening act, but I personally do find this trust in us as viewers to still think he has this power of intrigue about him over others a bit thin now, unless the writer creator actually thinks we're as unaware as his female victims.

The crazed baby sitter fan is just adding to this show's really flimsy portrayal of females. Lots of the female focuses, with the exception of Farrington who is gay, is under some spell (whether romantically, family wise or otherly) of Paul. Even the flipping nurse is not immune to him. There is this focus on Stella's issues with men which no doubt Spector will reveal, but what about the focus to reveal why Spector (pre-memory loss) hates women, or certain types of women enough to kill them. Stella has random sex with guys (which is fine in general) but with her character we're being led to believe it's more related to the Daddy issues she has, rather than just seeing it as a natural sex drive/de-stresser in her as would naturally assume of a man that had regular no strings attached sex. The audience are meant to find her questionable as a professional because of her underlying issues with men and misuse of then sexually, but on the other hand Paul kills women & yet the audience are meant to fancy him, feel sorry for him when he's vulnerable in hospital nearly dead and question whether we should hate him because he loves his daughter (and that small amount of humanity in him lets us dismiss the side of himself that hurts people literally to death).

Stella I suppose is the flawed lead, which is fine (plenty of shows have them), but I do find it strange the contrast between Stella and Spector and this aligning of sympathy with him as a troubled soul more than anyone else. I'm prob reading too much into the tone of the messages we're being told, but I do feel this sense that too many of these women around Paul are being made as unlikable to the audience as him and therefore in a sense deserving of the pain he eventually has on the them (in whatever form) because he's damaged and physically attractive. I bet some viewers would rather see the babysitter die or live a life of misery and resentment more than Paul Spector (even though she's prob as damaged as him, but with no sympathy for it because she's not brooding in her evilness).

I do love this show, and have no problem with them basically saying there is sometimes a grey/fine lines between the sides of good and bad people (like most crime dramas do now with police/law vs killer/dodgy person), but I just find this romantic aurora around spector's character strange more than anything.
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Old 07-10-2016, 05:41
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Katie's mum: "If you leave this house I'm phoning the police. You are not to leave!"

Very next morning. "Come on, Katie, off to school!"

Really, mum? No worry that she'll bunk off and go to the hospital or do something equally as stupid, no? I mean she has just this second stuck a piece of metal through her nose but that's of no concern to you?

How did Olivia know Katie's mobile number? If Olivia had it stored on her phone, if she has one, why not use that?

Why does nobody ever mention Spector's son? Why is he always forgotten?
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Old 07-10-2016, 06:05
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So, is Paul trying the "I don't remember anything about the last 10 years" ploy? and was he really in a car crash 10 years before?

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I think it's all an act myself but we'll see. I also think that nurse will fall under his spell like Katie and help him escape.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:58
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That said I think the actress does a fine job.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:00
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Also am I the only one who thinks Katy will either kill or disfigure her friend?

Last series Paul called her beautiful and tried to goad Katy into throwing acid over her face so since she refused to help her and basically laughed with her other friends I can see Katy doing something like that.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:05
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What was the scene with a woman hearing a noise ? Sorry if im missing who she was ? I wondered if Katie was going to continue his killing spree.
Yes it seemed on odd scene. When she was first shown answering the phone, I was wondering if she had made a fleeting appearance in an earlier series but it seems not?

Is Spector faking? Impossible to tell at the moment - in terms of his age / DOB that means the series is actually set in around 2011 yes??
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:14
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What was the scene with a woman hearing a noise ? Sorry if im missing who she was ? I wondered if Katie was going to continue his killing spree.
Yes it seemed on odd scene. When she was first shown answering the phone, I was wondering if she had made a fleeting appearance in an earlier series but it seems not?

Is Spector faking? Impossible to tell at the moment - in terms of his age / DOB that means the series is actually set in around 2011 yes??
They may be introducing the idea of a copycat killer but given the Woman was (I believe) in the Law firm that has been hired to defend Spector it would be a big coincidence if she was the first victim.

Not sure what dates were given but it's obviously no later than 2013 (as only a few months have passed within the show).
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:17
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The woman hearing a noise was Healey's secretary/PA. I think she was spooked because of what she was reading about Paul Spector.
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:25
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Was the law firm the same as the one in which one of Paul's victims from S1 worked at?

Did the PA know her?
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:43
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Still enjoying the show but it could have been so much better if the writer / producers didn't soapify it: both Rose and Spector in the same ICU where screens are seldom used, the nurse developing an unprofessional interest in her patient. Sally Ann Spector's reaction to the news that hubby is a serial killer and she provided a false alibi, not to mention her solicitor being instrumental in getting her husband the best brief in town and all that will entail for future episodes. Katie could be an interesting character if a more subtle exploration of her relationship with Paul and what drives it were on offer. Jiffing someone's face isn't quite doing it for me.

Overall, largely because we are kept guessing about what is really going on with Stella this series is working much better than the last which was at times a bit lol in its implausibility. Having said that I can't decide if the writer has a soft spot for Paul Spector and positions women as ice maidens or objects to be used / manipulated at will or is exploring the clapped out trope about the seductiveness of murderers or a bit of both. I don't find any of the female characters particularly well rounded.

I'm also struggling a bit with Sally Ann's response to what is occurring. Maybe a bit more about her back story that will no doubt include being traumatised by an abusive adult who was not unlike Paul might explain it but otherwise it's hard to fathom why she is allowing her children to have contact with their serial killer father given her awareness of his manipulative nature and, given her profession, I would assume an awareness of the long-term effects of this on her children. Even Justice for Fathers might balk at the prospect of encouraging contact between a serial killer dad and his young children without any attempt to ground them in what is going on and thinking through what they are trying to achieve. Because he hasn't been charged yet and in such circumstances it might be hard to think straight I can almost let this pass - for now

I'm just hoping that what drives Stella's 'relationships' with Spector, Anderson, and Burns turns out to be a little bit more subtle than having had a father who was seductive and abusive.
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:52
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Not enough shown of Tom Anderson!
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:58
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Was the law firm the same as the one in which one of Paul's victims from S1 worked at?

Did the PA know her?
Sarah Kay was a solicitor wasn't she? No idea of the firm now - would be a good twist
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:51
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Thought it was hilarious when Stella was told Rose was discharging herself because 'Something spooked her'

The hilarious bit was the next thing she said "She must know Spector's here somehow"

Well as he was practically in the next bed to her, she couldn't really miss him!

And why was there no armed guard outside the Belfast Strangler's room?! Was that because Rose WAS practically in the next bed to him?
Ridiculous.
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Old 07-10-2016, 13:03
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Merlin seriously needs to get more screen time. I don't think he even had a speaking role last night.
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Old 07-10-2016, 13:09
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Merlin seriously needs to get more screen time. I don't think he even had a speaking role last night.
I think he's moved on from Merlin now! Cannot imagine Merlin sleeping with Stella!
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Old 07-10-2016, 15:47
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I think he's moved on from Merlin now! Cannot imagine Merlin sleeping with Stella!
more likely with a Stella!

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