Originally Posted by Tanequil:
“Yes Lad off to boot camp.”
“Yes Lad off to boot camp.”
All they need is a hug from Dermot.
EE 19/0916 A welcome return for Christine?
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You know, I've never been a Sonia fan. But good on her tonight. Shirley was bang, BANG, out of order.
How dare Shirley accuse Sonia of running away and leaving others to pick up her mess? That's Shirley summed up in a nutshell, and it's why she's been left a bitter, old woman. Sylvie is not Sonia's responsibility, and she should never have been. But that's Carters in a nutshell - everyone has to dance to their tune. They're a selfish bunch of people, and don't like being told so.
So yeah, I enjoyed that. But everything else...
Les and Pam. Now, this storyline has been beyond farcical ever since those imbeciles managed to kidnap Ben and Jay and get scared off by a 50 odd year old Grunt Mitchell and his Next Model son, and tonight it continues it's farce. Oh, I get it. The ring leader is a little coward who's used to getting his own way and cannot face the consequences of his actions. No doubt his mother has spoiled him rotten since birth.
However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. I dunno... these characters are leaving, and I can't say I'll miss them.
Anything else? Ah, of course, there's TWO baby plots going on at the moment. Good thing too. We've not had enough of them recently. By recently, I mean since DTC came back and immediately started impregnating every woman/teenage girl on the square. Denise's plot is beyond ridiculously annoyingly rubbish, and I stopped caring about Whitney circa 2008.
Not a good time for a new Producer to be coming in. The cracks underneath the leadership of DTC are now very visible. But I will say this: I don't disagree with a single axing thus far. And still have my fingers crossed for more.
How dare Shirley accuse Sonia of running away and leaving others to pick up her mess? That's Shirley summed up in a nutshell, and it's why she's been left a bitter, old woman. Sylvie is not Sonia's responsibility, and she should never have been. But that's Carters in a nutshell - everyone has to dance to their tune. They're a selfish bunch of people, and don't like being told so.
So yeah, I enjoyed that. But everything else...
Les and Pam. Now, this storyline has been beyond farcical ever since those imbeciles managed to kidnap Ben and Jay and get scared off by a 50 odd year old Grunt Mitchell and his Next Model son, and tonight it continues it's farce. Oh, I get it. The ring leader is a little coward who's used to getting his own way and cannot face the consequences of his actions. No doubt his mother has spoiled him rotten since birth.
However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. I dunno... these characters are leaving, and I can't say I'll miss them.
Anything else? Ah, of course, there's TWO baby plots going on at the moment. Good thing too. We've not had enough of them recently. By recently, I mean since DTC came back and immediately started impregnating every woman/teenage girl on the square. Denise's plot is beyond ridiculously annoyingly rubbish, and I stopped caring about Whitney circa 2008.
Not a good time for a new Producer to be coming in. The cracks underneath the leadership of DTC are now very visible. But I will say this: I don't disagree with a single axing thus far. And still have my fingers crossed for more.
Originally Posted by Lion_60:
“She is the mother of the guy who killed Paul.”
“She is the mother of the guy who killed Paul.”
Does Pam know her? She looks a bit perplexed at the sight of her.
Originally Posted by big dan:
“Sonia's crowning moment of awesome. Wish the whole self-entitled lot were there for that.”
“Sonia's crowning moment of awesome. Wish the whole self-entitled lot were there for that.”
She was great tonight.
Pam is insufferably selfish, no wonder Les sought comfort in a lacy camisole.
I enjoyed that.
Loved the Sonia and Shirley row, as did Dee.😁
Les and Pam scenes were great despite the unfortunate wording at the end.
The actor playing Bex has improved no end.
Loved the Sonia and Shirley row, as did Dee.😁
Les and Pam scenes were great despite the unfortunate wording at the end.
The actor playing Bex has improved no end.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“God, how does Steven live with Lauren's moaning and perpetual mardy face?”
“God, how does Steven live with Lauren's moaning and perpetual mardy face?”
Ask J-B.
Originally Posted by Krustylicious:
“oh god Lee's brain is working atm”
“oh god Lee's brain is working atm
”
There’s a first for everything.
Originally Posted by tennysonpenny:
“Why is there a lot of bin talk in today's episode?”
“Why is there a lot of bin talk in today's episode?”
SOC is keen to get rid of the rubbish.
Originally Posted by Tanequil:
“The Sylvie stuff is pointless while on a character cull she is one who should go.”
“The Sylvie stuff is pointless while on a character cull she is one who should go.”
She's recurring.
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Wasnt bingate 1 the start of DTC reign”
“Wasnt bingate 1 the start of DTC reign”
Newman, just before Kim disappeared on maternity.
Originally Posted by Goosebee:
“Not sure if I'm imagining this but the show feels different to me today. Don't get me wrong. It's not stand out quality at all but it feels a lot more natural. The camera angles have been different. The dialogue feels how people would naturally talk and it's been quite witty. Just a nice everyday episode with some very stark subtleties such as how Pam and Les were both conveying emotion differently when wiping the table. I'm really enjoying it for some reason.”
“Not sure if I'm imagining this but the show feels different to me today. Don't get me wrong. It's not stand out quality at all but it feels a lot more natural. The camera angles have been different. The dialogue feels how people would naturally talk and it's been quite witty. Just a nice everyday episode with some very stark subtleties such as how Pam and Les were both conveying emotion differently when wiping the table. I'm really enjoying it for some reason.”
Yes, it feels more character driven. I'm glad the plea hearing was shown. It's also good to see Jennie Darnell back directing.
Originally Posted by Ownnnn:
“Go Sonia!”
“Go Sonia!”
I hope she bites you.
Great scene!
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“She was great tonight.
Pam is insufferably selfish, no wonder Les sought comfort in a lacy camisole.”
“She was great tonight.
Pam is insufferably selfish, no wonder Les sought comfort in a lacy camisole.”
That scene JUST MIGHT have made her whole tiresome comeback worthwhile. Son may well be a self-righteous bore, but Shirl is a bitter old rat who needs slappin dahn!
Originally Posted by big dan:
“That scene JUST MIGHT have made her whole tiresome comeback worthwhile. Son may well be a self-righteous bore, but Shirl is a bitter old rat who needs slappin dahn!”
“That scene JUST MIGHT have made her whole tiresome comeback worthwhile. Son may well be a self-righteous bore, but Shirl is a bitter old rat who needs slappin dahn!”
Shame there was no schoolyard hair pulling.
Originally Posted by StevieR:
“Why all the fuss about fortnightly collections and recycling? All of us in the real world have had this arrangement for years!!”
“Why all the fuss about fortnightly collections and recycling? All of us in the real world have had this arrangement for years!!”
Today in North Wales its once every 4 weeks
Anyone else notice a difference in tonight's ep? the scene with Lauren and Whitney especially where they were just talking about everyday stuff and doing everyday stuff.
It was weird that Whitney ignored Lauren and kept talking when she was asked when Ryan was getting out.
Sonia vs Shirley with Denise enforcing the argument was one of the rare scenes which actually made me laugh
Finally Sonia had a great scene and was telling Shirley what we were all thinking about the Carters, regarding Sylvie.
I wonder when we will next see Christine - I don't think she will go outside like to the court.
Sonia vs Shirley with Denise enforcing the argument was one of the rare scenes which actually made me laugh
Finally Sonia had a great scene and was telling Shirley what we were all thinking about the Carters, regarding Sylvie.I wonder when we will next see Christine - I don't think she will go outside like to the court.
I really enjoyed tonight's episode and I was surprised to hear it was Carey Andrews' episode because she has written some abysmal episodes in the past but tonight she did a fantastic job. Where do I begin?
The Cokers' storyline is still heartbreaking and I really feel for Pam and Les because they want justice for Paul and it wasn't particularly nice for them to see Paul's killers in court. I thought Pam and Simon's mum scene in the toilets were understated and I liked the way Pam was comforting Simon's mum but when Pam found out her true identity, the way Lin acted Pam's disgust/horror was wonderfully acted. It was a powerful scene and it must have been awkward for her to see a defendant's mother in court. Pam and Les are still facing some tough times but I agree with Pam's assertion they need Christine especially Les because he's still struggling with Paul's tragic death and Christine can make him feel better/help him with his grieving process.
Sonia was the standout character in this episode and the writers have done a sterling job making her really likeable and she's a good mother and friend. It's a pity that Tina and Sonia have split up but Sonia made the right decision because she doesn't love Tina anymore and needs to spread her wings elsewhere in Kettering but I am supporting Sonia's decisions. I loved the confrontation scene between Shirley and Sonia and I thought Natalie and Linda knocked it out of the park and the dialogues were brilliantly written. Shirley's home truths were harsh but it's typical Shirley and today was one of those days for her and she was in a grumpy mood. Sylvie is very erratic and difficult and it's a full time job looking after her. She needs professional help and she should be living in a care home or the Carters should hire a carer. Sonia's outburst to Shirley was wonderful to watch onscreen because the Carters (shame it was only Shirley outside) needed to hear Sonia's home truths about the way they treated her and Sylvie, also it was a wakeup call for them, and I hope Shirley takes on board with Sonia's comments. Her line, 'I hope she bites you' made me howl. I'm sorry to see Sonia leave for a while but I'm pleased for Natalie and I wish her well.
8/10
The Cokers' storyline is still heartbreaking and I really feel for Pam and Les because they want justice for Paul and it wasn't particularly nice for them to see Paul's killers in court. I thought Pam and Simon's mum scene in the toilets were understated and I liked the way Pam was comforting Simon's mum but when Pam found out her true identity, the way Lin acted Pam's disgust/horror was wonderfully acted. It was a powerful scene and it must have been awkward for her to see a defendant's mother in court. Pam and Les are still facing some tough times but I agree with Pam's assertion they need Christine especially Les because he's still struggling with Paul's tragic death and Christine can make him feel better/help him with his grieving process.
Sonia was the standout character in this episode and the writers have done a sterling job making her really likeable and she's a good mother and friend. It's a pity that Tina and Sonia have split up but Sonia made the right decision because she doesn't love Tina anymore and needs to spread her wings elsewhere in Kettering but I am supporting Sonia's decisions. I loved the confrontation scene between Shirley and Sonia and I thought Natalie and Linda knocked it out of the park and the dialogues were brilliantly written. Shirley's home truths were harsh but it's typical Shirley and today was one of those days for her and she was in a grumpy mood. Sylvie is very erratic and difficult and it's a full time job looking after her. She needs professional help and she should be living in a care home or the Carters should hire a carer. Sonia's outburst to Shirley was wonderful to watch onscreen because the Carters (shame it was only Shirley outside) needed to hear Sonia's home truths about the way they treated her and Sylvie, also it was a wakeup call for them, and I hope Shirley takes on board with Sonia's comments. Her line, 'I hope she bites you' made me howl. I'm sorry to see Sonia leave for a while but I'm pleased for Natalie and I wish her well.
8/10
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“Bingate is the most riveting story we've had this year TBH.”
“Bingate is the most riveting story we've had this year TBH.”
It's been written for the soap awards
Originally Posted by Tanequil:
“I'm not sure how a job is Kettering is worth it.
It is outside of London so probably less money than the job she has now.”
“I'm not sure how a job is Kettering is worth it.
It is outside of London so probably less money than the job she has now.”
But Sonia should be told that the BBC pay better
Originally Posted by lola_skye:
“Why doesn't Lauren gets a job?”
“Why doesn't Lauren gets a job?”
She thinks she does have one
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“Is Bingate SOC's cheeky little reminder of what he's trying to improve this show from?”
“Is Bingate SOC's cheeky little reminder of what he's trying to improve this show from?”
It's topical and relevant
Originally Posted by Pop Princess:
“How dare Lee want to move out of his mother's house above a pub, while engaged and in his 20s!”
“How dare Lee want to move out of his mother's house above a pub, while engaged and in his 20s!
”
Perhaps they should just do it
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Why are Mick and Linda so opposed to their 25 year old son and his pregnant girlfriend moving into their own place?”
“Why are Mick and Linda so opposed to their 25 year old son and his pregnant girlfriend moving into their own place?”
Because they would have to pay for it
Originally Posted by owen10:
“The bloke who killed Paul looks like he regrets what he did”
“The bloke who killed Paul looks like he regrets what he did”
Regrets being caught
Originally Posted by wizardt:
“FFS Shirley!!
She's a vile, rotten, atrocious, obnoxious human being!! Leave Sonia alone, you nasty bully. She's a loathsome pathetic spiteful woman who needs karma! Poor Sonia, she doesn't deserve it!!! WOOHOO SONIA! You got owned, Shirley!! Hahaha can't wait for her reaction when she knows Buster is cheating on her!!!”
“FFS Shirley!!
She's a vile, rotten, atrocious, obnoxious human being!! Leave Sonia alone, you nasty bully. She's a loathsome pathetic spiteful woman who needs karma! Poor Sonia, she doesn't deserve it!!! WOOHOO SONIA! You got owned, Shirley!! Hahaha can't wait for her reaction when she knows Buster is cheating on her!!!”
This is not new
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“She was great tonight.
Pam is insufferably selfish, no wonder Les sought comfort in a lacy camisole.”
“She was great tonight.
Pam is insufferably selfish, no wonder Les sought comfort in a lacy camisole.”
Can't abide Pam. How dare she accuse Les of shutting her out when she was the one who shut herself in the bedroom and refused to talk to him. The poor man's been walking on eggshells for weeks.
Forgot to mention this but I was chortling at Martin's facial expressions during Sonia and Shirley's row. James Bye is a terrific actor.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Can't abide Pam. How dare she accuse Les of shutting her out when she was the one who shut herself in the bedroom and refused to talk to him. The poor man's been walking on eggshells for weeks.”
“Can't abide Pam. How dare she accuse Les of shutting her out when she was the one who shut herself in the bedroom and refused to talk to him. The poor man's been walking on eggshells for weeks.”
Poor bloke. Can't do right for doing wrong. She's quite spiteful under the nice exterior.
Thanks for the thread Lola, sorry I'm late to the party
He's suffering depression, it happens to be one of the symptoms
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Lee is always sulking and feeling sorry for himself.”
“Lee is always sulking and feeling sorry for himself.”
He's suffering depression, it happens to be one of the symptoms
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Today in North Wales its once every 4 weeks”
“Today in North Wales its once every 4 weeks”
I know, my bin gets full within 2 weeks, stupid Denbighshire council. At least EE's being current.
Oh god, I knew as soon as I saw her that that woman Pam met was a mother to one of Paul's killers. How horrible. 
Put. Silvie. In. A. Home.
Sonia laying down the law to Shirley was a Legendary scene!
Felt this literally could've been Sonia's last scene [other than a last-minute reconciliation between her and Bex] too actually.
What, what, what was that Pam? You're ok with Christine now.
Could've saved you both a lot of grief this year if you'd just said that before...
Put. Silvie. In. A. Home.
Sonia laying down the law to Shirley was a Legendary scene!
Felt this literally could've been Sonia's last scene [other than a last-minute reconciliation between her and Bex] too actually.
What, what, what was that Pam? You're ok with Christine now.
Could've saved you both a lot of grief this year if you'd just said that before...
Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“
He's suffering depression, it happens to be one of the symptoms”
“
He's suffering depression, it happens to be one of the symptoms”
I have googled it and it says nothing about looking gormless
I think people need to realise grief affects peoples emotions in different ways. Pam and Les are obviously and upset and angry with the death of their grandson, and they probably don't know how to feel. The gang do look an X-Factor boyband with the tesco Value Olly Murs Very powerful performances from Lin and Roger. It's natural he would be angry in the court house, and I think he needs to bring Christine back. The fall-out is affecting their relationship.
Good on Sonia having a go at Shirley in the Square. Martin's face a picture. It's about time someone told her straight. She should be looking after her own Mum, it's not Sonia's responsiblity. I got to admit Sonia is a good person even if she does annoy people. I prefer her stand alone. However, I do feel for Bex. Her life is upside down due to her Mum leaving and she just wants to be with her. I do hope some sort of compromise can be worked out.
Bingate - at least they're highlighting reality - blame, the stupid government cuts for it. I can see where Lee and Whitney are at wanting their own place. They're grown adults about to be parents ffs! Cut the apron strings. Sadly the ridiculous price of renting is true - I'm looking at moving to Bristol and the rents they are astronomical. How are people expected to start out in life?
Good episode, can't wait for tonight. 8/10
Very powerful performances from Lin and Roger. It's natural he would be angry in the court house, and I think he needs to bring Christine back. The fall-out is affecting their relationship.Good on Sonia having a go at Shirley in the Square. Martin's face a picture. It's about time someone told her straight. She should be looking after her own Mum, it's not Sonia's responsiblity. I got to admit Sonia is a good person even if she does annoy people. I prefer her stand alone. However, I do feel for Bex. Her life is upside down due to her Mum leaving and she just wants to be with her. I do hope some sort of compromise can be worked out.
Bingate - at least they're highlighting reality - blame, the stupid government cuts for it. I can see where Lee and Whitney are at wanting their own place. They're grown adults about to be parents ffs! Cut the apron strings. Sadly the ridiculous price of renting is true - I'm looking at moving to Bristol and the rents they are astronomical. How are people expected to start out in life?
Good episode, can't wait for tonight. 8/10
Originally Posted by lordo350:
“However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. ”
“However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. ”
I completely agree. That was a shambles.
Originally Posted by lordo350:
“Les and Pam. Now, this storyline has been beyond farcical ever since those imbeciles managed to kidnap Ben and Jay and get scared off by a 50 odd year old Grunt Mitchell and his Next Model son, and tonight it continues it's farce. Oh, I get it. The ring leader is a little coward who's used to getting his own way and cannot face the consequences of his actions. No doubt his mother has spoiled him rotten since birth.
However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. I dunno... these characters are leaving, and I can't say I'll miss them.”
“Les and Pam. Now, this storyline has been beyond farcical ever since those imbeciles managed to kidnap Ben and Jay and get scared off by a 50 odd year old Grunt Mitchell and his Next Model son, and tonight it continues it's farce. Oh, I get it. The ring leader is a little coward who's used to getting his own way and cannot face the consequences of his actions. No doubt his mother has spoiled him rotten since birth.
However, I thought Pam had a bloody cheek tonight. Throughout this whole thing, it's been all about her grief. Hell, when they lost their son, it was all about her. Les was never allowed to grieve, because he had to constantly tip toe around her. It's what created Christine in the first place. And now that Les is finally showing emotion to the killers of his beloved grandson, she berates him for it, instead of giving him the love and support he needs (and has given her). All to facilitate the return of said Christine. I dunno... these characters are leaving, and I can't say I'll miss them.”
Great post. I just feel lost with Les and Pam. Pam has been a total cow for weeks, shutting Les out which is what forced him to bottle things up in the first place. And then, suddenly on Monday night, it's Les kicking off and Pam chiding him for shutting HER out 'because it's rude'?
It's absolutely nonsensical. The whole Christine narrative may be plausible and original, but it's just too weird and obscure. Personally I think Les is a very strange man, and Pam's character is written all over the place, even though Lin Blakley is a good actress. At first I was a bit saddened when it was announced they'd been axed. Now I feel less so. I can see they've been written into a corner, and that crappy Christine narrative will always overshadow any development they could have.
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