Is Linda's unbearable nagging/moaning of Lee & Whitney heading somewhere, she seems OK with Johnny and Nancy moving abroad but the possibility of Lee & Whit moving across the square sends her into a melt down, she finds it inconceivable that her 24 year old son and his pregnant girlfriend would want their own space and start their own life together as a family instead of living with his parents in one room and being treated like a child.
Eastenders - Nagging Linda
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Hi H,
To be fair she moaned the face off all three of her kids. First not accepting Johnny's sexuality then not happy with him p***ing off to Italy. Then not happy with Nancy's choice in men or her decision to travel the world so Lee was just next on her list. She is a typical modern day mother that wants to wrap her kids in cotton wool.
To be fair she moaned the face off all three of her kids. First not accepting Johnny's sexuality then not happy with him p***ing off to Italy. Then not happy with Nancy's choice in men or her decision to travel the world so Lee was just next on her list. She is a typical modern day mother that wants to wrap her kids in cotton wool.
I can understand she apprehensive and protective, he her son, but she seems intent on making Lee and Whitney feel bad to get her own way, she also not against slagging Whitney off to Sharon either.
The problem with Linda, is she act immature and selfish and attention seeks one minute then she shows some kindness before she back to the same mode again.
The problem with Linda, is she act immature and selfish and attention seeks one minute then she shows some kindness before she back to the same mode again.
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“Is Linda's unbearable nagging/moaning of Lee & Whitney heading somewhere, she seems OK with Johnny and Nancy moving abroad but the possibility of Lee & Whit moving across the square sends her into a melt down, she finds it inconceivable that her 24 year old son and his pregnant girlfriend would want their own space and start their own life together as a family instead of living with his parents in one room and being treated like a child.”
“Is Linda's unbearable nagging/moaning of Lee & Whitney heading somewhere, she seems OK with Johnny and Nancy moving abroad but the possibility of Lee & Whit moving across the square sends her into a melt down, she finds it inconceivable that her 24 year old son and his pregnant girlfriend would want their own space and start their own life together as a family instead of living with his parents in one room and being treated like a child.”
I think the difference was Johnny and Nancy didn't take her as of yet unborn Grandson with them when they went abroad. Also Linda did have trouble letting them go if you recall, so it is true to her character that she is being this way, the baby involved has likely amplified her feelings.
She also has a point, Lee works on a fish stall and Whitney does the odd shift in a pub (which would stop when the baby was born) Whitney is woefully naive about how hard life is when bringing up a child.
Having said that, they do obviously have the right to want to get their own place and Linda should support that.
I get where she's coming from, to be honest. This is Linda: she's immature and selfish but she loves her children and wants to protect them. And the fact is that moving halfway across the country with a new baby due, barely any support network (apart from the guy that tried to rob them the last time he was around) and Lee's depression still very much a threat ISN'T the best idea in the world. No, the current living situation isn't ideal either but Linda has convinced herself it's better than the alternative and I'm sure a lot of parents would agree with her.
With Johnny and Nancy it was different. The reason she let Johnny go in the first place was to protect him from finding out about Dean. As for Nancy, she always said Nancy was tougher and knew how to take care of herself more than Johnny and Lee, and that was backed up by what we as viewers saw of Nancy.
With Johnny and Nancy it was different. The reason she let Johnny go in the first place was to protect him from finding out about Dean. As for Nancy, she always said Nancy was tougher and knew how to take care of herself more than Johnny and Lee, and that was backed up by what we as viewers saw of Nancy.
I think maybe part of the reasoning behind her reaction was actually because Johnny and Nancy moved abroad and left her, she's a family woman and has a habit to smother her children which is in her character and she doesn't want to lose her eldest and unborn grandchild so soon after as well. She was the same at first with Nancy but she came round and as well with Lee in the army. She should allow Lee to make his own decisions and respect them but her attitude is realistic of some mothers.
Linda: Whinge whinge nag yell whinge nag whinge nag nag yell whinge.
Mick: Naah listen up you 'orrible lot, your muvva's getting aggro so we gotta 'ave a fancy dress theme night karaoke Dicky Ticker family meal trifle party sharpish.
Mick: Naah listen up you 'orrible lot, your muvva's getting aggro so we gotta 'ave a fancy dress theme night karaoke Dicky Ticker family meal trifle party sharpish.
Linda hasn't wanted any of them to go but i think she came round to it with Jonny and Nancy for the reasons stated above.
I think the fact that they were travelling, rather than moving made a difference. Travelling implies a temporary thing, they'll be back within months or a couple of years probably so broke they'll have to move home again. Moving to another town with a baby specifically to get a flat has a permanence to it. She probably thinks that if they go, they will never come back.
Also, Jonny and Nancy both had people with them to take care of them. I doubt she sees Whitney as capable of that role.
I think the fact that they were travelling, rather than moving made a difference. Travelling implies a temporary thing, they'll be back within months or a couple of years probably so broke they'll have to move home again. Moving to another town with a baby specifically to get a flat has a permanence to it. She probably thinks that if they go, they will never come back.
Also, Jonny and Nancy both had people with them to take care of them. I doubt she sees Whitney as capable of that role.
The nagging is reaching unbearable levels now. Ffs would she just get a life for herself and let her adult children make their own life choices!
Originally Posted by Ancalagon:
“I think the difference was Johnny and Nancy didn't take her as of yet unborn Grandson with them when they went abroad. Also Linda did have trouble letting them go if you recall, so it is true to her character that she is being this way, the baby involved has likely amplified her feelings.
She also has a point, Lee works on a fish stall and Whitney does the odd shift in a pub (which would stop when the baby was born) Whitney is woefully naive about how hard life is when bringing up a child.
Having said that, they do obviously have the right to want to get their own place and Linda should support that.”
“I think the difference was Johnny and Nancy didn't take her as of yet unborn Grandson with them when they went abroad. Also Linda did have trouble letting them go if you recall, so it is true to her character that she is being this way, the baby involved has likely amplified her feelings.
She also has a point, Lee works on a fish stall and Whitney does the odd shift in a pub (which would stop when the baby was born) Whitney is woefully naive about how hard life is when bringing up a child.
Having said that, they do obviously have the right to want to get their own place and Linda should support that.”
BIB
How do you come to that conclusion?
I don't think Whitney is naive at all about how hard life is bringing up a child, she grew up with Bianca and 3 other siblings in a mostly single household, having to help raise her step siblings as the eldest, she probably has a more broader view of life then Linda who has always been supported and pampered by her mother and Mick.
Lets not forget Linda never left the comfort of her family home until she was way into her 30s and her kids were already past their teens.
Whitney never had it easy, but she far from naive in the retrospect of raising a family, she always been desperate to be apart of a family thats the difference.
Lets not forget Linda never left the comfort of her family home until she was way into her 30s and her kids were already past their teens.
Whitney never had it easy, but she far from naive in the retrospect of raising a family, she always been desperate to be apart of a family thats the difference.
I don't think Whitney is naive about the practicalities of raising a baby. As mentioned, she's had Liam, Tiffany and Morgan around from when she was a child, plus she has worked at bnurseries.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.
She is probably counting on it being better for her and her kids than it was for Bianca.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.
She is probably counting on it being better for her and her kids than it was for Bianca.
Linda has always been a moaner and an unbearable whinged to her family but they put up wth it because that's just the way she is and it's her character. Why they are making such a big deal of it I don't know and can only guess that her more intense moodiness maybe leading up to her departure for maternity leave somehow. Anyway I can understand her being excited about having her first grandchild around but blimey she does moan a lot.
She does love a good whinge, I'm wondering if Kellie's maternity exit sl is her moving away with Lee/Whitney to help with the baby (if Whitney is leaving). Then she'll return after helping them out.
Originally Posted by Hankshaw:
“BIB
How do you come to that conclusion?”
“BIB
How do you come to that conclusion?”
Quote:
“I don't think Whitney is naive about the practicalities of raising a baby. As mentioned, she's had Liam, Tiffany and Morgan around from when she was a child, plus she has worked at bnurseries.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.”
“I don't think Whitney is naive about the practicalities of raising a baby. As mentioned, she's had Liam, Tiffany and Morgan around from when she was a child, plus she has worked at bnurseries.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.”
The 2nd quote is more what I meant, I just didn't word it very well.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“She does love a good whinge, I'm wondering if Kellie's maternity exit sl is her moving away with Lee/Whitney to help with the baby (if Whitney is leaving). Then she'll return after helping them out.”
“She does love a good whinge, I'm wondering if Kellie's maternity exit sl is her moving away with Lee/Whitney to help with the baby (if Whitney is leaving). Then she'll return after helping them out.”
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Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“I can understand she apprehensive and protective, he her son, but she seems intent on making Lee and Whitney feel bad to get her own way, she also not against slagging Whitney off to Sharon either.
The problem with Linda, is she act immature and selfish and attention seeks one minute then she shows some kindness before she back to the same mode again.”
“I can understand she apprehensive and protective, he her son, but she seems intent on making Lee and Whitney feel bad to get her own way, she also not against slagging Whitney off to Sharon either.
The problem with Linda, is she act immature and selfish and attention seeks one minute then she shows some kindness before she back to the same mode again.”
She's a flawed but fundamentally a decent character imo
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I don't think Whitney is naive about the practicalities of raising a baby. As mentioned, she's had Liam, Tiffany and Morgan around from when she was a child, plus she has worked at bnurseries.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.
She is probably counting on it being better for her and her kids than it was for Bianca.”
“I don't think Whitney is naive about the practicalities of raising a baby. As mentioned, she's had Liam, Tiffany and Morgan around from when she was a child, plus she has worked at bnurseries.
I do however think she is being unrealistic regarding money and what they can possibly get. They won't get much, even in Wakefield on a barmaid and market stall workers salary. And she'll have to give up work when the baby comes, firstly she seems to want to be a full time Mother and secondly she won't be able to afford to pay for child care. So they'd be down to one, low salary.
She is also naive about Lee's depression problems in my opinion. He is already incredibly scared about not being good enough and not coping with the practicalities of the baby. He has the burden of paying rent and utilities as well as food by his own, he is very likely to break and relapse badly.
I do think Whitney has this fairy tale vision in her head and is ignoring a lot of the reality.
She is probably counting on it being better for her and her kids than it was for Bianca.”
I don't think the money issue is naivety. Sometimes you make that big step even if it means struggling for a while. Whitney was raised in a large family with lots of kids and low income. I doubt she is naive when it comes to money problems and having to make do.
Maybe she does expect a lot from Lee, to be fair to her though she was ready to live opposite his family before Ryan showed up. Suddenly the chance to have her brother around and get away from the likes of Linda had got her all giddy with excitement. As we saw though she soon gave up on that thanks to Linda's guilt trip.
As for jobs. Lee was in the army and would have skills. He briefly tried his hand at plumbing. He also has been taught fish mongering. He also has years of experience of bar work. Whitney would have to stop work of course but she has experience of working with children and bar work. She could find part time work or run a toddler club from home. To suggest they have no options is just Linda using scare tactics. Nice way to keep your son from overcoming his issues.
The way Linda went on at them about work you'd think they were two 14 year olds with no qualifications. Who does that remind you of Linda?.
It's true to Linda's character though - the main reason she allowed Johnny to go abroad was to protect him from the revelation that Dean raped Linda. She also protested heavily against letting Nancy go away. Lee does have depression and I think there is a part of Linda that is scared of letting Lee go away because of it (similar to how she was scared for Nancy because of her epilepsy)
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