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Old 22-09-2016, 22:35
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Interesting premise, but I can't see the longevity in this.
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Old 23-09-2016, 01:07
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2180402

Also US Pace & UK Pace are the same here, as Netflix UK are putting the episodes up 5 hours after they air on US tv.
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Old 23-09-2016, 21:44
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Just watched the first episode on Netflix, really good start and be interesting to see where they'll go with this.
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Old 24-09-2016, 10:00
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I added it to my Netflix list yesterday, I'll probably get round to watching it sometime this weekend.
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Old 24-09-2016, 11:07
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Not sure about this, as it's not clear what it's about. I mean, I get that he is thrust into the role of president, etc... but is it then a "west wing" style political drama or a "homeland" style thriller? If it's some weird hybrid of both, then I'm out
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Old 24-09-2016, 14:15
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Not sure about this, as it's not clear what it's about. I mean, I get that he is thrust into the role of president, etc... but is it then a "west wing" style political drama or a "homeland" style thriller? If it's some weird hybrid of both, then I'm out
Having watched episode 1 now I think that's what it will be, with a bit of 24 thrown in as well. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing though. Anyway I enjoyed it and look forward to seeing how it develops.
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Old 24-09-2016, 16:59
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So is there such job as designated survivor or is it just something made up for the show?
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Old 24-09-2016, 17:18
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So is there such job as designated survivor or is it just something made up for the show?
It IS a real thing.

and I'm pretty sure they've got a mechanism in place for the situation where the designated survivor is ALSO killed, along with multiple other ones if the newly elected Presidents keep getting offed. IIUC I'm actually 28 millionth (ish) in line to be the US President.
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Old 24-09-2016, 19:39
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It IS a real thing.

and I'm pretty sure they've got a mechanism in place for the situation where the designated survivor is ALSO killed, along with multiple other ones if the newly elected Presidents keep getting offed. IIUC I'm actually 28 millionth (ish) in line to be the US President.
It is a real job with absolutely zero chances of promotion
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:19
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So is there such job as designated survivor or is it just something made up for the show?
It's not a job. It's just that someone from the line of successsion is picked to "not go" to the State of the Union address.

I think they are usually, and possibly have to be, a member of the cabinet.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_survivor
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:33
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So is there such job as designated survivor or is it just something made up for the show?
Thought it was a little odd that the character of Tom Kirkman didn't seem to know about it (he asked what it was when he got the phone call).

He's been a cabinet member for three years and there are only 15 or so people who can be named Designated Survivor including him so you'd have thought he would have been told about the possibility at some point during the last three years.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:59
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Thought it was a little odd that the character of Tom Kirkman didn't seem to know about it (he asked what it was when he got the phone call).

He's been a cabinet member for three years and there are only 15 or so people who can be named Designated Survivor including him so you'd have thought he would have been told about the possibility at some point during the last three years.
Wondered that myself. Surely they'd have told him at the time. Enjoyed first ep though, even more so when Maggie q appeared. Show seems to be cross between west wing and 24, 2 of my all time favourites. Really hope it's a big hit and gets renewed.
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Old 26-09-2016, 09:31
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I enjoyed this, I hope the quality and ratings keep up.
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Old 26-09-2016, 10:24
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Thought it was a little odd that the character of Tom Kirkman didn't seem to know about it (he asked what it was when he got the phone call).
Also a little odd that he was chosen despite being on the verge of being fired (surely the would pick someone the President had confidence in) and that after the attack everyone, including his family, goes to the White House which you'd expect to be evacuated and fully searched for other bombs.

Looks like this series is going to involve a lot of suspension of disbelief.
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Old 26-09-2016, 14:24
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I think they covered this in an episode of The West Wing, where they had a bit of fun with the man picked to miss the event and him acting surprised. So maybe they really do not always know up front.
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Old 26-09-2016, 17:06
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Looks like this series is going to involve a lot of suspension of disbelief.
Maybe you do but I don't think anyone here will know for sure how it works. My guess would be for security reasons and they don't know so they have plausible deniability and can't be targeted? and as for being on the verge of being fired, again we don't really know how they even pick a designated survivor.

But like I do with all TV shows, I try not to think about all the details, that way I can enjoy it more.
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Old 26-09-2016, 17:47
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Thought it was a little odd that the character of Tom Kirkman didn't seem to know about it (he asked what it was when he got the phone call).

He's been a cabinet member for three years and there are only 15 or so people who can be named Designated Survivor including him so you'd have thought he would have been told about the possibility at some point during the last three years.
He knew about being the designated survivor...he didn't know what was going on out there and that everyone was gone. I can imagine having to make a decision about taking another role elsewhere or being let go then suddenly becoming president would take someone a moment to digest.

In one scene where Italia is trying to get into the white house she says she is his aide and he is the designated survivor on duty tonight, or something similar so they may take turns?
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Old 26-09-2016, 17:53
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I think they covered this in an episode of The West Wing, where they had a bit of fun with the man picked to miss the event and him acting surprised. So maybe they really do not always know up front.
I remember that now

When Secretary of Agriculture Roger Tribbey is picked as the Cabinet member who won't attend the speech, often referred to as the designated survivor, he meets President Bartlet in the Oval Office. As he explains to Tribbey what to do in the event he becomes President, President Bartlet asks him if he has a best friend, if the best friend is smarter than he is, and if he would trust his best friend with his life. Tribbey says "yes" to all three questions. The President responds, "that's your Chief of Staff."
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Old 26-09-2016, 18:51
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I remember that now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKWmlIExRAo

They don't make them like that any more.
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Old 26-09-2016, 19:38
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He knew about being the designated survivor...he didn't know what was going on out there and that everyone was gone. I can imagine having to make a decision about taking another role elsewhere or being let go then suddenly becoming president would take someone a moment to digest.

In one scene where Italia is trying to get into the white house she says she is his aide and he is the designated survivor on duty tonight, or something similar so they may take turns?

No he didn't.

I'm on about the Flashback to the morning.

He gets a phone call and is told he'll be the Designated Survivor for that evening (prior to this he thought he would be going to the State of the Union).

On the phone he asks "What's a Designated Survivor?" so obviously did not know about the protocol before this.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:11
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Also a little odd that he was chosen despite being on the verge of being fired (surely the would pick someone the President had confidence in) and that after the attack everyone, including his family, goes to the White House which you'd expect to be evacuated and fully searched for other bombs.
I agree it's odd that he didn't know the position. I mean they may not talk about the specific protocols until the last minute, for security reasons, but surely the concept would at least ring a bell with a cabinet member.

But none of the rest of that is odd, in my opinion. The "designated survivor" position is not high prestige. It's something that most people would consider a bit of a paranoid ritual until the moment that's it's needed (which in real life has never happened, obviously). In practice, you wouldn't think of it as picking the next president, but as picking the guy not important enough to be there with all the other important people. Furthermore, the president was firing him because he didn't find it easy working with him, or other petty intra-office politics, which would be much less of a concern for him in the unlikely event that he was dead. It's not some fundamental indictment of the guy's moral character.

The state of the union address would be a particular security challenge because of the sheer number of different people passing through. The White House would still be more secure than nearly any other site they could choose. If that was compromised too, then everything is suspect, including whatever transportation methods they would use to get anywhere. If the people responsible were that well connected to infiltrate both places, then they could know exactly what safe houses they might use or routes they might take to get there. There aren't unlimited choices of other places they can easily get to that are kept as secure as the White House.

Worst case scenario, if they do lose the secretary of Housing and Urban Development, their day really hasn't gotten significantly worse than when they lost the whole rest of government. Maybe they can try Camp David with the next guy.
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Old 27-09-2016, 08:57
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The question "What's a designated survivor?" was purely so the viewers could be told what one was. It's a very common thing in telly you know. It's called exposition.
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Old 27-09-2016, 10:16
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^ what's exposition ?
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Old 27-09-2016, 12:20
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The question "What's a designated survivor?" was purely so the viewers could be told what one was. It's a very common thing in telly you know. It's called exposition.
I assumed that too, but it was kind of redundant as the viewer had already been educated on what the ‘Designated Survivor’ role was within the first 15 seconds of the episode.
And then when he asks “What’s a Designated Survivor?” I don’t think the question even got answered on screen.
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Old 27-09-2016, 13:46
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The question "What's a designated survivor?" was purely so the viewers could be told what one was. It's a very common thing in telly you know. It's called exposition.
Then have his son or someone else ask the question, not a character that should already know the answer.

Plus as said by NoEntry2k by the time the question was asked

1. the Viewers had already seen the answer
2.nobody actually answered the question on screen anyway.

So a rather poor example of exposition.
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