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Old 24-09-2016, 17:04
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Firstly echo the comments about the episode in generally - Freshers is exactly what Hollyoaks should be about and it still pisses me off how they axed Annalise, Barney and co. a few years back when they were the best bunch of Freshers the show had since the days of Kris and Zoe*, whilst the seven million sixth formers hung around forever.


However the issue at hand was handled in the one-sided manner I feared it would be when it was first announced and the writer (*the legend that is Zoe Lister) has admitted in her interview here that she was writing it with the view that consent was not given, and that really did come across on screen, with Ellie very much portrayed as a victim throughout the episode. It really should have been left more open to genuinely discuss the issue of consent, and I also think perhaps they should have let Nick establish himself in his own right beforehand and then run the storyline later in the year.


Finally do think this cast of freshers are largely decent - although never quite seen the point of Cleo. A shame though Nick is studying nursing and most the students are from the village - probably means more hospital scenes and less scenes of student life.
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Old 24-09-2016, 17:21
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However the issue at hand was handled in the one-sided manner I feared it would be when it was first announced and the writer (*the legend that is Zoe Lister) has admitted in her interview here that she was writing it with the view that consent was not given, and that really did come across on screen, with Ellie very much portrayed as a victim throughout the episode. .
That and this

We'll investigate that Nick has boundary issues with his future girlfriend Holly
shows that this isn't the storyline they were claiming it to be, they have already decided that Nick is in the wrong with his behaviour and that it could even be his personality.

I'm not saying that Nick was in the right, but the storyline was meant to be did Ellie consent and not remember? Did Nick take advantage? Or was there just confusion in both of their drunken states? But HOs have already decided.
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Old 24-09-2016, 18:12
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That and this



shows that this isn't the storyline they were claiming it to be, they have already decided that Nick is in the wrong with his behaviour and that it could even be his personality.

I'm not saying that Nick was in the right, but the storyline was meant to be did Ellie consent and not remember? Did Nick take advantage? Or was there just confusion in both of their drunken states? But HOs have already decided.
Totally this.

They may as well have just run a public information film. With most story lines you generally don't know exactly where it is going or what twists they are going to throw in, this is blatantly obvious. Why not use some random male character with no link to anyone? It doesn't have the powerful impact of the Jacqui/Gilly sl where we were more in the dark for long enough re Gilly's true thoughts. If it is put there as a public information thing just do it and get the message over quickly as it is obviously timed to coincide with when many of the show's student audience is most vulnerable (and maybe not watching anyway as they're too busy going out and get wasted at the beginning of the year).
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:20
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I think the problem was, it was very much from Ellie's side, the girl the character we know

yet we saw her kiss him, there was no consent there, he didnt seem to mind, shes pretty, its a difficult story line to do well when we have known 1 character for a year and her state of mind, very upset having just broken up with hypnotoad and not acting rationally, wanting to tell people she was over him, and not being sure
Nick we dont know, he seems a bit annoying is a savage, they are not known for tact, but we have no insight into him really, so we side with the character we know
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:29
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When Mac learns what happened he's really gonna kill Nick.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:35
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When Mac learns what happened he's really gonna kill Nick.
That's what I am not looking forward to, angry Mac!

Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:38
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That's what I am not looking forward to, angry Mac!

Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself.
Mac would just make things worse beating Nick could have him police charged and it won't look good for poor Ellie.

I can see Joanna being Nick's lawyer and James being Ellie's lawyer.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:39
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Totally this.

They may as well have just run a public information film. With most story lines you generally don't know exactly where it is going or what twists they are going to throw in, this is blatantly obvious. Why not use some random male character with no link to anyone? It doesn't have the powerful impact of the Jacqui/Gilly sl where we were more in the dark for long enough re Gilly's true thoughts. If it is put there as a public information thing just do it and get the message over quickly as it is obviously timed to coincide with when many of the show's student audience is most vulnerable (and maybe not watching anyway as they're too busy going out and get wasted at the beginning of the year).
I think the problem was, it was very much from Ellie's side, the girl the character we know

yet we saw her kiss him, there was no consent there, he didnt seem to mind, shes pretty, its a difficult story line to do well when we have known 1 character for a year and her state of mind, very upset having just broken up with hypnotoad and not acting rationally, wanting to tell people she was over him, and not being sure
Nick we dont know, he seems a bit annoying is a savage, they are not known for tact, but we have no insight into him really, so we side with the character we know
They could have brought in 2 new students, who met that night and done the same storyline. Even if they didn't stick around for long, just a couple of months to tell this one important storyline. That way they are strangers to the viewers and there is no bias, but it does need to be written in a way where it is not clear, because that is the whole point. If the girl is too drunk then she hasn't and can't give consent, but was it clear that the girl was too drunk? And at the same time, just because you can't remember, it doesn't mean you said 'no'. But they have gone and ruined that now by saying that they wrote it as Nick being the bad guy which we will see in the future, that's not the storyline they were promoting.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:42
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Mac would just make things worse beating Nick could have him police charged and it won't look good for poor Ellie.

I can see Joanna being Nick's lawyer and James being Ellie's lawyer.
I can see Mac doing that, but I think it might be more likely that he would be held back because they wouldn't want to put the character in jail as he is in the middle of storylines.

I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story.
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Old 24-09-2016, 20:49
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I can see Mac doing that, but I think it might be more likely that he would be held back because they wouldn't want to put the character in jail as he is in the middle of storylines.

I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story.
With Nick being new and what they done to him looks like he'll be around a short while.

Ellie may not want it taken to court she's very scared, Mac would want to kill Nick, Marine would want her son James to help Ellie be her lawyer and James would tell Ellie let me be your lawyer and take Nick to court. Nathan, Alfie and Neeta will surport Ellie all the way same with James.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:01
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With Jade's cancer back all the sadness her way, the story being reality they be doing the story with Ellie and Nick close to reality.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:12
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That's what I am not looking forward to, angry Mac!

Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself.
I think they may keep Mac out of it, cos hes in james' story
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:16
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I can see Mac doing that, but I think it might be more likely that he would be held back because they wouldn't want to put the character in jail as he is in the middle of storylines.

I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story.
James and Joanne are both defense Lawyers as well, Ellie can get advice from her brother but he isnt a prosecution Lawyer
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:18
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James and Joanne are both defense Lawyers as well, Ellie can get advice from her brother but he isnt a prosecution Lawyer
Forgot there's a third lawyer in the village Simon Loveday could help Ellie.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:31
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Forgot there's a third lawyer in the village Simon Loveday could help Ellie.
It surprises me that they have kept Simone out of the loop re legal cases except for that thing with Trevor. Are they saving her for something big?
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:33
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With Mac hating James and beating him up his whole life I could almost see Mac asking James to help to help Ellie and James saying not doing it for you doing it my sister Ellie.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:35
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It surprises me that they have kept Simone out of the loop re legal cases except for that thing with Trevor. Are they saving her for something big?
If there's a storyline for Simon planned they must be keeping it secret. I like to see Simon being more peoples lawyer and seeing her skills in the court room.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:52
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I agree with the points that other posters have made about the storyline being one-sided. The whole point of this storyline was for the audience to come to their own conclusions about whether Ellie did or did not consent. HO definitely should have developed Nick's character more. They could have waited till the end of the year to do this storyline. We don't anything about Nick and what he's like as a person whereas Ellie is a well established charatcer. To make this storyline more effective they could have shown more when they were in Ellie's room. It's was increbily short and it's left a majority of the audience confused. I'm sightly disapointed that we didn't see it from Nick and Ellie's sides equality. The fact that the writers have said that Ellie did not consent basically makes it a rape storyline now. Nevertheless it will still a great episode and I hope they do it justice.
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:55
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Forgot there's a third lawyer in the village Simon Loveday could help Ellie.
Ellie would be under the care of the police lawyer, if shes pressing charges, only those defending themselves need a lawyer
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Old 24-09-2016, 21:57
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It surprises me that they have kept Simone out of the loop re legal cases except for that thing with Trevor. Are they saving her for something big?
the lovedays have been quiet, I wonder if there is a story line coming up
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Old 24-09-2016, 22:00
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With Mac hating James and beating him up his whole life I could almost see Mac asking James to help to help Ellie and James saying not doing it for you doing it my sister Ellie.
Morticia would have him get involved, Mac wouldnt, Mac may take back his instruction to stay away
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Old 24-09-2016, 22:02
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the lovedays have been quiet, I wonder if there is a story line coming up
Zac back where's Sonja at. I hope Simon gets a big and better then that silly murder mystery that's passed.
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Old 24-09-2016, 22:06
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Ellie would be under the care of the police lawyer, if shes pressing charges, only those defending themselves need a lawyer
Dirk's not gonna beileve his family Nick did anything to Ellie, if things really get heated up since Cindy friends with Simon she may ask her to help Dirk's family Nick.
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Old 24-09-2016, 22:08
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Morticia would have him get involved, Mac wouldnt, Mac may take back his instruction to stay away
I can see Marine having revenge plans of her own against Nick and if Dirk, Cindy and Holly help him then they better watch out.
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Old 24-09-2016, 22:10
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Zac back where's Sonja at. I hope Simon gets a big and better then that silly murder mystery that's passed.
maybe they will get back together now Joanne is stalking Joe, I keep expecting her to become obsessed with James at some point, given she wont accept the Joe is with Mercy why would she accept that James is gay?

I guess the lovedays need a bit of down time so we start to like them again
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