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Firstly echo the comments about the episode in generally - Freshers is exactly what Hollyoaks should be about and it still pisses me off how they axed Annalise, Barney and co. a few years back when they were the best bunch of Freshers the show had since the days of Kris and Zoe*, whilst the seven million sixth formers hung around forever.
However the issue at hand was handled in the one-sided manner I feared it would be when it was first announced and the writer (*the legend that is Zoe Lister) has admitted in her interview here that she was writing it with the view that consent was not given, and that really did come across on screen, with Ellie very much portrayed as a victim throughout the episode. It really should have been left more open to genuinely discuss the issue of consent, and I also think perhaps they should have let Nick establish himself in his own right beforehand and then run the storyline later in the year. Finally do think this cast of freshers are largely decent - although never quite seen the point of Cleo. A shame though Nick is studying nursing and most the students are from the village - probably means more hospital scenes and less scenes of student life. |
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However the issue at hand was handled in the one-sided manner I feared it would be when it was first announced and the writer (*the legend that is Zoe Lister) has admitted in her interview here that she was writing it with the view that consent was not given, and that really did come across on screen, with Ellie very much portrayed as a victim throughout the episode. .
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We'll investigate that Nick has boundary issues with his future girlfriend Holly
shows that this isn't the storyline they were claiming it to be, they have already decided that Nick is in the wrong with his behaviour and that it could even be his personality.I'm not saying that Nick was in the right, but the storyline was meant to be did Ellie consent and not remember? Did Nick take advantage? Or was there just confusion in both of their drunken states? But HOs have already decided. |
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That and this
shows that this isn't the storyline they were claiming it to be, they have already decided that Nick is in the wrong with his behaviour and that it could even be his personality. I'm not saying that Nick was in the right, but the storyline was meant to be did Ellie consent and not remember? Did Nick take advantage? Or was there just confusion in both of their drunken states? But HOs have already decided. They may as well have just run a public information film. With most story lines you generally don't know exactly where it is going or what twists they are going to throw in, this is blatantly obvious. Why not use some random male character with no link to anyone? It doesn't have the powerful impact of the Jacqui/Gilly sl where we were more in the dark for long enough re Gilly's true thoughts. If it is put there as a public information thing just do it and get the message over quickly as it is obviously timed to coincide with when many of the show's student audience is most vulnerable (and maybe not watching anyway as they're too busy going out and get wasted at the beginning of the year). |
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I think the problem was, it was very much from Ellie's side, the girl the character we know
yet we saw her kiss him, there was no consent there, he didnt seem to mind, shes pretty, its a difficult story line to do well when we have known 1 character for a year and her state of mind, very upset having just broken up with hypnotoad and not acting rationally, wanting to tell people she was over him, and not being sure Nick we dont know, he seems a bit annoying is a savage, they are not known for tact, but we have no insight into him really, so we side with the character we know |
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When Mac learns what happened he's really gonna kill Nick.
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When Mac learns what happened he's really gonna kill Nick.
Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself. |
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That's what I am not looking forward to, angry Mac!
Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself. I can see Joanna being Nick's lawyer and James being Ellie's lawyer. |
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Totally this.
They may as well have just run a public information film. With most story lines you generally don't know exactly where it is going or what twists they are going to throw in, this is blatantly obvious. Why not use some random male character with no link to anyone? It doesn't have the powerful impact of the Jacqui/Gilly sl where we were more in the dark for long enough re Gilly's true thoughts. If it is put there as a public information thing just do it and get the message over quickly as it is obviously timed to coincide with when many of the show's student audience is most vulnerable (and maybe not watching anyway as they're too busy going out and get wasted at the beginning of the year). Quote:
I think the problem was, it was very much from Ellie's side, the girl the character we know
yet we saw her kiss him, there was no consent there, he didnt seem to mind, shes pretty, its a difficult story line to do well when we have known 1 character for a year and her state of mind, very upset having just broken up with hypnotoad and not acting rationally, wanting to tell people she was over him, and not being sure Nick we dont know, he seems a bit annoying is a savage, they are not known for tact, but we have no insight into him really, so we side with the character we know |
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Mac would just make things worse beating Nick could have him police charged and it won't look good for poor Ellie.
I can see Joanna being Nick's lawyer and James being Ellie's lawyer. I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story. |
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I can see Mac doing that, but I think it might be more likely that he would be held back because they wouldn't want to put the character in jail as he is in the middle of storylines.
I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story. Ellie may not want it taken to court she's very scared, Mac would want to kill Nick, Marine would want her son James to help Ellie be her lawyer and James would tell Ellie let me be your lawyer and take Nick to court. Nathan, Alfie and Neeta will surport Ellie all the way same with James. |
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With Jade's cancer back all the sadness her way, the story being reality they be doing the story with Ellie and Nick close to reality.
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That's what I am not looking forward to, angry Mac!
Whatever, if any, confusion there was over that night, Mac wont care and will go crazy at Nick. But I am thinking people wont find out for a while? Apparently Lisa's reaction makes Ellie keep it to herself. |
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I can see Mac doing that, but I think it might be more likely that he would be held back because they wouldn't want to put the character in jail as he is in the middle of storylines.
I can't see either Nick and Ellie needing lawyers as I don't think this will go to court. But HOs have already gone off track by saying themselves that Nick is in the wrong, so maybe Ellie will report it as rape and they will go that way with the story. |
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James and Joanne are both defense Lawyers as well, Ellie can get advice from her brother but he isnt a prosecution Lawyer
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Forgot there's a third lawyer in the village Simon Loveday could help Ellie.
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With Mac hating James and beating him up his whole life I could almost see Mac asking James to help to help Ellie and James saying not doing it for you doing it my sister Ellie.
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It surprises me that they have kept Simone out of the loop re legal cases except for that thing with Trevor. Are they saving her for something big?
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I agree with the points that other posters have made about the storyline being one-sided. The whole point of this storyline was for the audience to come to their own conclusions about whether Ellie did or did not consent. HO definitely should have developed Nick's character more. They could have waited till the end of the year to do this storyline. We don't anything about Nick and what he's like as a person whereas Ellie is a well established charatcer. To make this storyline more effective they could have shown more when they were in Ellie's room. It's was increbily short and it's left a majority of the audience confused. I'm sightly disapointed that we didn't see it from Nick and Ellie's sides equality. The fact that the writers have said that Ellie did not consent basically makes it a rape storyline now. Nevertheless it will still a great episode and I hope they do it justice.
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Forgot there's a third lawyer in the village Simon Loveday could help Ellie.
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It surprises me that they have kept Simone out of the loop re legal cases except for that thing with Trevor. Are they saving her for something big?
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With Mac hating James and beating him up his whole life I could almost see Mac asking James to help to help Ellie and James saying not doing it for you doing it my sister Ellie.
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the lovedays have been quiet, I wonder if there is a story line coming up
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Ellie would be under the care of the police lawyer, if shes pressing charges, only those defending themselves need a lawyer
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Morticia would have him get involved, Mac wouldnt, Mac may take back his instruction to stay away
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Zac back where's Sonja at. I hope Simon gets a big and better then that silly murder mystery that's passed.
I guess the lovedays need a bit of down time so we start to like them again |
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