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Eastenders - "Dirty" Den Watts and Angie Watts
How on earth was Den Watts so popular with fans? Surely even for the 80's he must have been considered a villain?
The way he cheated and treated his wife was borderline mentally abusive and the cheek of him to tell Angie that she had to be faithful was downright brazen. Who knew that a telephone could interfere in a marriage so much... Jan Hammond was a huge character before we had even seen her. He seemed to find it amusing that she was turning into a lush and his temper was very unattractive, Taking advantage of a school girl surely was the last straw with fans? I'm not surprised Sharon Mitchell is so neglectful of Denny Rickman with her upbringing. When Den returned I liked the fact that Chrissie Watts was almost the opposite to Angie. What a shame the characters are both dead. |
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How on earth was Den Watts so popular with fans? Surely even for the 80's he must have been considered a villain?
The way he cheated and treated his wife was borderline mentally abusive and the cheek of him to tell Angie that she had to be faithful was downright brazen. Who knew that a telephone could interfere in a marriage so much... Jan Hammond was a huge character before we had even seen her. He seemed to find it amusing that she was turning into a lush and his temper was very unattractive, Taking advantage of a school girl surely was the last straw with fans? I'm not surprised Sharon Mitchell is so neglectful of Denny Rickman with her upbringing. When Den returned I liked the fact that Chrissie Watts was almost the opposite to Angie. What a shame the characters are both dead. |
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Angie might not be. No body, and she probably wanted a fresh start, rehab, insurance money. Phil will probably see her next at one of his AA meetings.
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Angie was such a martyr and doormat though it was hard to feel sorry for her. Not saying that Den wasn't an utter pig though.
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How on earth was Den Watts so popular with fans? Surely even for the 80's he must have been considered a villain?
The way he cheated and treated his wife was borderline mentally abusive and the cheek of him to tell Angie that she had to be faithful was downright brazen. Who knew that a telephone could interfere in a marriage so much... Jan Hammond was a huge character before we had even seen her. He seemed to find it amusing that she was turning into a lush and his temper was very unattractive, Taking advantage of a school girl surely was the last straw with fans? I'm not surprised Sharon Mitchell is so neglectful of Denny Rickman with her upbringing. When Den returned I liked the fact that Chrissie Watts was almost the opposite to Angie. What a shame the characters are both dead. |
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Angie was such a martyr and doormat though it was hard to feel sorry for her. Not saying that Den wasn't an utter pig though.
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BIB - Well, yes, but since when were villains not popular?
Does that answer your "question?"
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I thought with times being different that general opinion may have been very different.
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Spot on. Pretty much like JR and Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas.
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I thought with times being different that general opinion may have been very different.
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Den was a git but very entertaining to watch. They replicated his character with Max but I always preferred the former despite disliking his behaviour to Angie.
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Women were still very much considered second class citizens at that time, even by many of their own sex. I'd say that many put up with violence and abuse because to be without a husband was unthinkable. So that was the audience they were playing to....not nice when you think about it.
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Den was a git but very entertaining to watch. They replicated his character with Max but I always preferred the former despite disliking his behaviour to Angie.
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British soap hadn't seen such a love to hate character, therefore he was always going to be popular.
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British soap hadn't seen such a love to hate character, therefore he was always going to be popular.
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The characterisation of Den from 85-89 was superb. Shame they ruined him in his second stint.
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The characterisation of Den from 85-89 was superb. Shame they ruined him in his second stint.
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Seeing clips of them. It may be 80s acting but the pair of them are appalling.
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Seeing clips of them. It may be 80s acting but the pair of them are appalling.
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I suspect Den was so popular because he was a multi-faceted character; he actually felt like a real person with flaws and shortcomings. He was clever, quick-witted, and I think ultimately had a good heart (he cared about the community and his friends) but at the same time was exceptionally cruel to his wife. But let's not pretend that Angie was completely innocent either. Quote:
Seeing clips of them. It may be 80s acting but the pair of them are appalling.
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I never knew him first time round, what was t that you didn't like about his return?
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I suspect Den was so popular because he was a multi-faceted character; he actually felt like a real person with flaws and shortcomings. He was clever, quick-witted, and I think ultimately had a good heart (he cared about the community and his friends) but at the same time was exceptionally cruel to his wife. But let's not pretend that Angie was completely innocent either.
Both Leslie and Anita excelled at OTT camp drama. It was their 'style' and was very much of the time. The writers didn't really know what to do with him. They should have put him back in the Vic straight away, but instead he wondered around the Square with his hands in his pockets for an entire year. They made Den sleazy when he was never like that before. On more than one occasion his behaviour towards Sharon was creepy and it was definitely implied that his feelings towards her were inappropriate. The Zoe blackmail story was also the final nail in the coffin. The writers clearly had it in for him after webcam-gate. They trashed the character. The web cam fiasco - was it really worth a sack worthy offence? Slagging off the cast members really was a daft move though if it was true... what was it he said again? |
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What was the fan reaction to Leslie Grantham being revealed as a real life killer?
The web cam fiasco - was it really worth a sack worthy offence? Slagging off the cast members really was a daft move though if it was true... what was it he said again? |
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His position was untenable after the webcam stuff. He called Shane Richie egotistical, Jessie Wallace a dog, said Kim Medcalf was thick, that Wendy Richard was a misery guts.
I always wanted to see "Dirty" Den Watts vs Phil Mitchell. I would imagine they would have made Phil win eventually. Eastenders traditions and all that lol. |
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Women were still very much considered second class citizens at that time, even by many of their own sex. I'd say that many put up with violence and abuse because to be without a husband was unthinkable. So that was the audience they were playing to....not nice when you think about it.
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Well as I'm relatively young I didn't see him during his first stint but I seen loads of clips on YouTube and I was so excited that he was alive. He wasnt great when he rturned but he got killed off too early, some better writing and a better storyline and he could of been great again.
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I always wanted to see "Dirty" Den Watts vs Phil Mitchell. I would imagine they would have made Phil win eventually. Eastenders traditions and all that lol.
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