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I am delighted that the Beeb are employing home grown talent and the Continual Clifton Criticism annoys me.
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Susanna had proven herself in a Christmas Special so she was clearly not an out and out duffer. It's not as though they gave Kevin Ann Widdecombe or Nancy Delollio (sp?).
He probably should have danced with Lesley Joseph this year. Louise could have danced with Gorka (though would there be height issues?) and Tameka with Anton. |
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Finall approaches...."..Clifton bashing starts up again. Must be Danny supporters I guess.
Long may it continue, as the show with 15 of any of the same personalities/styles/strengths would become boring very quickly indeed. |
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Finall approaches...."..Clifton bashing starts up again. Must be Danny supporters I guess.
For what it's worth I like Joanne and Karen so definitely not anti-Clifton. Once I see Kevin train a duffer and have to embrace the silliness of the show I'll probably like him as well. It does bug me that, for the second week in a row, he's got away with choreographing an American Smooth in the place of another Ballroom dance whereas other pros have been ripped to shreds for that in the past. |
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Anton usually gets the older 'duffers' not any other pros. Three quarters of Kevin's partners haven't been hot young things, although they have some talent.
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Susanna had proven herself in a Christmas Special so she was clearly not an out and out duffer. It's not as though they gave Kevin Ann Widdecombe or Nancy Delollio (sp?).
He probably should have danced with Lesley Joseph this year. Louise could have danced with Gorka (though would there be height issues?) and Tameka with Anton. Anyway, I really don't see how Kevin is any different from say, Pasha? He had Chelsee Healey (clearly had some dance experience and was young and fit, Kimberley Walsh with stage school training and young and fit, Rachel Riley who prior to the show was thought to be a contender as well as young and fit, Caroline Flack with stage school training ballroom experience and young and fit. It was only after these contenders on paper that he began getting the older, less capable celebs. Kevin's track record is almost identical to Pasha's, with three dance trained celebs and one without, except the average age of Kevin's first four partners has been higher. |
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Round 7 ... this series
Let's see how long this thread continues before it is closed by the mods.
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Though Susanna would still never have been able to win against those with dance training - I think Kevin did well to get her to the finals.
Anyway, I really don't see how Kevin is any different from say, Pasha? He had Chelsee Healey (clearly had some dance experience and was young and fit, Kimberley Walsh with stage school training and young and fit, Rachel Riley who prior to the show was thought to be a contender as well as young and fit, Caroline Flack with stage school training ballroom experience and young and fit. It was only after these contenders on paper that he began getting the older, less capable celebs. Kevin's track record is almost identical to Pasha's, with three dance trained celebs and one without, except the average age of Kevin's first four partners has been higher. The key difference between Kevin's partners and Pasha's is Rachel didn't have a natural connection with either the technique or the steps. Whether they auditioned the celebrities as strongly that year as they did this I'm not sure... as they still did the opening group dance it's a possibility... but it was pretty obvious she was going to have serious issues with Latin very early on. Admittedly Louise's Latin isn't as strong as her ballroom but they've kept her away from both the Salsa and the Samba until two dance week. |
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Though Susanna would still never have been able to win against those with dance training - I think Kevin did well to get her to the finals.
Anyway, I really don't see how Kevin is any different from say, Pasha? He had Chelsee Healey (clearly had some dance experience and was young and fit, Kimberley Walsh with stage school training and young and fit, Rachel Riley who prior to the show was thought to be a contender as well as young and fit, Caroline Flack with stage school training ballroom experience and young and fit. It was only after these contenders on paper that he began getting the older, less capable celebs. Kevin's track record is almost identical to Pasha's, with three dance trained celebs and one without, except the average age of Kevin's first four partners has been higher.
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I think I will copy this and paste it every time the same claim is made against Kevin
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I'm not sure - if the audience had taken to them they could have still won; look at Darren & Lilia and Chris & Ola. Susanna was a better dancer than both of the celebrities there.
The key difference between Kevin's partners and Pasha's is Rachel didn't have a natural connection with either the technique or the steps. Whether they auditioned the celebrities as strongly that year as they did this I'm not sure... as they still did the opening group dance it's a possibility... but it was pretty obvious she was going to have serious issues with Latin very early on. Admittedly Louise's Latin isn't as strong as her ballroom but they've kept her away from both the Salsa and the Samba until two dance week. Also, I'm not certain on Chelsee's dance background, but I'd be very surprised if she'd done nothing. |
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I have to stipulate though, I have absolutely nothing against Fudd, who I feel often makes excellent contributions.
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Susanna had proven herself in a Christmas Special so she was clearly not an out and out duffer. It's not as though they gave Kevin Ann Widdecombe or Nancy Delollio (sp?).
He probably should have danced with Lesley Joseph this year. Louise could have danced with Gorka (though would there be height issues?) and Tameka with Anton. Not that Anton has fared badly in his role on Strictly. Neither has Katya this year. As far as public recognition is concerned you probably want someone very well known with enough personality to last a while. That's the jackpot for someone wanting to be a household name. |
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I have to stipulate though, I have absolutely nothing against Fudd, who I feel often makes excellent contributions.
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I agree wholeheartedly!
I did mean Rachel didn't have a connection with the technique and audience rather and technique and steps in the original post.Quote:
Well, it's definitely open to interpretation, but it's just the way I see it anyway.
Also, I'm not certain on Chelsee's dance background, but I'd be very surprised if she'd done nothing. When you put it like that I can see what you're saying, and it can be construed as being unfair on Kevin, but that relatively early departure for Pasha did buy him a but if breathing space. That and none of his partners were pushed as much as Kellie appeared to be in the latter stages last year; whether fairly or unfairly I think that got a lot of people's backs up and, as they came as a couple, Kevin has picked up a lot of the fallout. |
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Let's see how long this thread continues before it is closed by the mods.
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Not that Anton has fared badly in his role on Strictly. Neither has Katya this year. As far as public recognition is concerned you probably want someone very well known with enough personality to last a while. That's the jackpot for someone wanting to be a household name.
Karen is really good with the less talented dancers, Katya has warmed her way to people's hearts with Ed. |
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I did mean Rachel didn't have a connection with the technique and audience rather and technique and steps in the original post.