Didn't manage to watch it all. Will be 10's next week. But how can anyone compare the very obviously trained dancer (the hollyoaks) to an overweight mp who the show is all about. Not what you know but improvements
professionals v comlete novices.
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I like a mixture of fab dancers who smash it week 1, journey dancers who suddenly become your fave around week 5, and the genuine never danced before and likely won't last long contestants. You need all to give the show the depth it needs otherwise it's all a bit samey.
However I do feel the scales have tipped slightly too far towards ringerdom this year.
I thought best ever first week ever from the point of view of talent, but actually I think I may get a bit bored of watching the best ones scrap it out week after week.
Fingers crossed for Naga, Laura and Greg and Robert getting good enough to kick some butt!
However I do feel the scales have tipped slightly too far towards ringerdom this year.
I thought best ever first week ever from the point of view of talent, but actually I think I may get a bit bored of watching the best ones scrap it out week after week.
Fingers crossed for Naga, Laura and Greg and Robert getting good enough to kick some butt!
Go and look up the definition of "professional" in the dictionary and you'll find that none of the celebrities are professionals in ballroom dancing. So you might want to make the title of your thread more accurate.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Go and look up the definition of "professional" in the dictionary and you'll find that none of the celebrities are professionals in ballroom dancing. So you might want to make the title of your thread more accurate.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.”
“Go and look up the definition of "professional" in the dictionary and you'll find that none of the celebrities are professionals in ballroom dancing. So you might want to make the title of your thread more accurate.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.”
Very true you can tell that Louise and Danny have had some training because of how clean they are as dancers. But prefer that to 15 Ed Balls.
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Very true you can tell that Louise and Danny have had some training because of how clean they are as dancers. But prefer that to 15 Ed Balls.”
“Very true you can tell that Louise and Danny have had some training because of how clean they are as dancers. But prefer that to 15 Ed Balls.”
Also when they do three or four turns in a row, they spot and don't fall around all over the place.
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Very true you can tell that Louise and Danny have had some training because of how clean they are as dancers. But prefer that to 15 Ed Balls.”
“Very true you can tell that Louise and Danny have had some training because of how clean they are as dancers. But prefer that to 15 Ed Balls.”
How many ringers were there in the first SCD?
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“How many ringers were there in the first SCD?”
“How many ringers were there in the first SCD?”
It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
Agree about Kara and Jill but Alesha did not have any formal training, although accept the pop videos and being on stage helped.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
Alesha was a ringer in the mould of Anastacia (discounting 20 years in age), not like someone as Louise though.
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Agree about Kara and Jill but Alesha did not have any formal training, although accept the pop videos and being on stage helped.”
“Agree about Kara and Jill but Alesha did not have any formal training, although accept the pop videos and being on stage helped.”
Alesha was discovered for Mis-Teeq while taking dance classes - then subsequently became the group's choreographer
Danny Mac was just ridiculous though he just looked like a professional dancer...where can he go from here?!
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
“It's hardly remembered as a vintage year...
Most of the most-loved winners have been ringers (Jill, Kara, Alesha etc.)”
This. Series 8 is still the shows highest rated, when Kara, Scott, Matt and Pamela were known as the big 4 with honourable mentions to Patsy and Gavin which made for a brilliant series.
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“Alesha was discovered for Mis-Teeq while taking dance classes - then subsequently became the group's choreographer”
“Alesha was discovered for Mis-Teeq while taking dance classes - then subsequently became the group's choreographer”
She did not go to stage school though. Not that it really matters in the long run.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Go and look up the definition of "professional" in the dictionary and you'll find that none of the celebrities are professionals in ballroom dancing. So you might want to make the title of your thread more accurate.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.”
“Go and look up the definition of "professional" in the dictionary and you'll find that none of the celebrities are professionals in ballroom dancing. So you might want to make the title of your thread more accurate.
To me the show is all about what the title says - Strictly Come DANCING. I want to see good dancing, not faffing around and hiding ineptitude. So give me a bunch of ringers any day, it would be the most enjoyable series ever! If people can improve, then great, but messing around and not doing proper dancing is not entertainment to me.”
Worth listening to Erin on Pointless earlier, she was asked whether any of the Strictly dancers could be considered up to professional standards.
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“She did not go to stage school though. Not that it really matters in the long run.”
“She did not go to stage school though. Not that it really matters in the long run.”
Stage school isn't the magic secret to being good on Strictly...she had probably done a lot more dancing in the recent past before she took part in Strictly than a lot of the stage school graduates.
Originally Posted by Supercell:
“Danny Mac was just ridiculous though he just looked like a professional dancer...where can he go from here?!
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces”
“Danny Mac was just ridiculous though he just looked like a professional dancer...where can he go from here?!
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces”
He's been to Arts Ed for the 3 year course and would have needed to be at a high standard to get in . He's done multiple dance lessons a week - although he's primarily an actor and singer. But then so have most other actors, and singers, - which includes most of the winners. Add on the gymnasts and you are just left with politicians, TV presenters who may have been to drama schools too, hunky sportsmen and old folk
One problem with having so many ringers is that the genuine learners might get squeezed out before they have chance to improve. It's quite possible that even if they get to final they won't perform much better than some of the dancing seen on the first week!
Originally Posted by Supercell:
“Danny Mac was just ridiculous though he just looked like a professional dancer...where can he go from here?!
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces”
“Danny Mac was just ridiculous though he just looked like a professional dancer...where can he go from here?!
I prefer it when you can actually see people improve over the weeks and watching people improve at different paces”
BIB........totally!
It's all about who appeals to the voters the most, though. The GBP have been very quick to support the underdog in the past, much to the chagrin of the dance purists. Twas ever thus ...
I like beginners with a potential, like Greg. He gave it all and it really wasn't that bad. And judges' words gave him a boost to try and do better. You could tell he did not expect such a positive feedback. I see a J-word in his future 
Originally Posted by davegold:
“One problem with having so many ringers is that the genuine learners might get squeezed out before they have chance to improve. It's quite possible that even if they get to final they won't perform much better than some of the dancing seen on the first week!”
“One problem with having so many ringers is that the genuine learners might get squeezed out before they have chance to improve. It's quite possible that even if they get to final they won't perform much better than some of the dancing seen on the first week!”
I don't think this is necessarily true. How many rubbish dancers (i.e: John Sargeant, Craig Kelly, Anne Widdicombe, Judy Murray etc) have stayed in the comp at the expense of better dancers? The viewers like to see a trier/beginner and often vote for the truly terrible just because they are terrible.
I think the middle ground are the ones most at risk but in any case people mostly vote for personalities so nobody is guaranteed a ticket to the final although obvs the judges will save (is there going to be a dance off this year!?)
Often though, as in Mark Wrights case, if a beginner gets to the final, they give a lack lustre performance and seem to crumble under the added strain of extra dances and we get something not quite worthy of a final.
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Agree about Kara and Jill but Alesha did not have any formal training, although accept the pop videos and being on stage helped.”
“Agree about Kara and Jill but Alesha did not have any formal training, although accept the pop videos and being on stage helped.”
Kara didn't go to stage school either, so I wouldn't put her in the same class as Jill.
I don't mind ringers but I think it seems fairer when there is no dance-off. The people who have prior training are already protected by high judges scores, then get a second bite at being protected with the DO. The people starting lower but with potential should be given more chance to advance on the public vote which takes account of entertainment and effort etc.
This is the first year I've felt like there were too many 'ringers'. In the past I have not minded whatsoever, and loved watching Alesha, Kara etc.
However, this year I feel like it's a bit unfair. The standard for an opening week, especially last night, was insane. The complete novices such as Ed, Melvin, Naga seem to stand no chance and will likely never actually get the chance to really learn and improve. There doesn't seem (based on what we've seen so far, although admittedly that's with the 3 weeks to perfect a dance) to be enough of a balance this year.
However, this year I feel like it's a bit unfair. The standard for an opening week, especially last night, was insane. The complete novices such as Ed, Melvin, Naga seem to stand no chance and will likely never actually get the chance to really learn and improve. There doesn't seem (based on what we've seen so far, although admittedly that's with the 3 weeks to perfect a dance) to be enough of a balance this year.
Originally Posted by notsolonely153:
“This is the first year I've felt like there were too many 'ringers'. In the past I have not minded whatsoever, and loved watching Alesha, Kara etc.
However, this year I feel like it's a bit unfair. The standard for an opening week, especially last night, was insane. The complete novices such as Ed, Melvin, Naga seem to stand no chance and will likely never actually get the chance to really learn and improve. There doesn't seem (based on what we've seen so far, although admittedly that's with the 3 weeks to perfect a dance) to be enough of a balance this year.”
“This is the first year I've felt like there were too many 'ringers'. In the past I have not minded whatsoever, and loved watching Alesha, Kara etc.
However, this year I feel like it's a bit unfair. The standard for an opening week, especially last night, was insane. The complete novices such as Ed, Melvin, Naga seem to stand no chance and will likely never actually get the chance to really learn and improve. There doesn't seem (based on what we've seen so far, although admittedly that's with the 3 weeks to perfect a dance) to be enough of a balance this year.”
I agree. Ed did well considering, but it just felt a bit sad seeing him already looking defeated after people like Danny had been on. I really enjoyed Danny's dance, but watching it I did say 'this is ridiculous' - the amount of choreography and level of detail in there shouldn't really be seen on the first week. (Having said that, I think Oti may have overplayed their hand a bit and I can't see them winning).
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