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I understand what you're saying KK and agree with it, but tbh I do think there's a difference when you're ranting about a nationality with whom your own nation is permanently on the brink of war, with atrocities taking place almost every day, (on both sides). As I mentioned a few pages ago, would anyone have called us Brits racist, or even offensive, during WWII when we were slagging off the Germans, French, Russians, Italians etc who were either trying to slaughter (or facilitate the slaughter) of millions of us?
That's why I see Anwar's rant as more of a political rant against a sworn enemy rather than any general dig at another nation based on tired old stereotypes. He had to go of course but I do feel a little uncomfortable that he's been got rid of for the wrong reasons. |
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OldNjaded - I am inclined to agree with you re what triggered it being political and religious due to the situation between India and pakistan than Nathionalism for the sake of it.
But, it was still lumping everybody in that Nation together in a very offensive and insulting way. To use another situation, would it have been acceptable for me to tar all Northern Irish with the same brush as the IRA during the Troubles? The answer is it wouldn't have been and I didn't. I think the same thing was true during WW2 from what my parents and grandparents have told me. Of course there was propagander, the kids were taught little ditties about the War and the Enemy leaders "whistle while You Work, Mussoline Made a Shirt, Hitler wore it, Churchill tore it, Whistle While you work" as one, on the face of it quite harmless example. But, understandable as it might have been if you'd lost family to bombings, there was still a difference between Nazis and Germans and one many people did understand and there was (and still is) a danger in lumping them together. It would be very offensive for somebody to rant at a German, calling them a ++++ing Nazi simply because they are German, for example and I would hope it would be treated as severely as this if they did. |
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Was he drunk when he wrote this or something?! Did he honestly think he would get away with it
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Simple solution: don't join Twitter in the first place as you can't miss what you never had !
If humans were rational, we would've achieved world peace by now.
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Of course there is a difference between Racism and Nationalism but if a person of one Nationality is denigrating, making assumptions about a person, and using disparaging or offensive language or descriptions/myths about their Nationality purely because they belong to that Nationality, then it is still bigotry and should therefore be condemned.
So, i'm not going to use some of the descriptions that you could but if I, as an English person, were to rant about the Scottish going on about kilts, haggis, bagpipes, being mean with money etc with f+++ings in front of every other word, it would still be offensive and bigoted, even if not Racist in the strictest sense of the word. I've probably not explained it very well but that is how I see it. So yes, it would be as bad if directed at the Americans, Welsh, French, Australians or any other Nationality. , although I can be a tad over sensitive to it![]() There are a ( I hope) a small minority of anti English bigots up here, largely due to a history which is often misreprented. I came across a lot of them in my former job, working as I did at an heritage site which was very significant to the history of scottish/ English relations. We had things like English staff being verbally abused, Union Jacks being burned on site, even at one point a threatening letter to the manager. We were criticised because our exhibition took a balanced view of historical events . to me it arose out of feelings of disenfranchisement and injustice, so it's s easy to see why incidents like this happen on Twitter - and the traumatic history involved here is much more recent. However, it makes an assumption about a nation/ racial group as a whole which is grossly unfair. I think there comes a point where people have to bury the hatchet about this sort of thing - accept the history happened, that it has contributed to what we are today but it's time to reconcile and accept that historically ALL nations and racial groups have done terrible things. It's a shame that this actor is not at that point, although I'M m well aware that the actor may have had family/ friends who have suffered and it's s almost impossible to be detached in this situation. Sadly, it does take a long long time for these wounds to heal. We in the UK have the advantage of time distancing us from most traumatic historical events. I' m not sure he has that luxury. It's s very sad. |
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Maybe they might recast the character for a later part of the story. That actor is a disgusting person and he deserved the sack. I think the character recast will also be great so it means he won't be returning.
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While the bulk of his rant was political, he referred to Indians and piss drinking c*nts. That's not political, that has racial undertones to put it mildly. I'm Indian and while I'm not offended (I've been called a lot worse 🙄 ) there is no arguement that the comment was racist. He generalised a massive demographic of people of behaving a certain way and used derogatory language against that population. Silly man.
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Speaking as a Bangladeshi guy, I'm pretty disappointed that us Bengalis were left out of Marc Anwar's rant. I mean don't "Bengali Lives Matter"?! Shame on you, Mr Anwar.
I suppose Mr Anwar doesn't want to be reminded of Bangladesh's War of Independence when we won our freedom from Pakistan.
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While the bulk of his rant was political, he referred to Indians and piss drinking c*nts. That's not political, that has racial undertones to put it mildly. I'm Indian and while I'm not offended (I've been called a lot worse 🙄 ) there is no arguement that the comment was racist. He generalised a massive demographic of people of behaving a certain way and used derogatory language against that sample population. Silly man.
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If I'm not mistaken that reference about urine was directed at Gandhi. Hardly a way to promote unity by goring a national hero and revered one time leader.
Still a idiot though. 🙄 |
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I agree, Mr Fury, but unfortunately such rational thinking isn't displayed by many individuals you see.
If humans were rational, we would've achieved world peace by now. ![]() There would be a lot less for us historians to study though You know Italy had 30 years of war and produced Michaelangelo, da Vinci and the Renaissance, Switzerland had five hundred years of peace and produced the cuckoo clock....to misquote Orson Welles! It's s human nature.
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While the bulk of his rant was political, he referred to Indians and piss drinking c*nts. That's not political, that has racial undertones to put it mildly. I'm Indian and while I'm not offended (I've been called a lot worse 🙄 ) there is no arguement that the comment was racist. He generalised a massive demographic of people of behaving a certain way and used derogatory language against that population. Silly man.
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I' m really sorry to hear that you're ve been targeted KatrinaK. The guy has said some deeply offensive things and deserves to be challenged over it and punished.
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No need to be sorry but thank you all the same. 🙂 You have to learn to develope a thick skin. Thank fully I have some amazing friends and work colleagues that don't express those kinds of views. This guy obviously has a very blinkered view and political rant or not, he clearly has preconceived notions of certain ethnic groups. I always think it's a shame when people take what the see and hear in the news at face value without doing thier research and knowing the facts. You have to feel sorry for the ignorant.
There's s an old saying up here which sadly you never hear any more ' We're all Jock Tamson' s bairns' - bairns' being children. Wish I had used it against some if the nasty so and so I was describing in my earlier post
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It seems any mistake people make now their career/lives are over. Brutal.
Makes me glad I'm not famous. Wouldn't wish it on anyone ! love my anonymity
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Oh, I thought it was taking the piss out of our drinking culture. 😂
Still a idiot though. 🙄 |
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It seems any mistake people make now their career/lives are over. Brutal.
Makes me glad I'm not famous. Wouldn't wish it on anyone ! love my anonymity Unintentionally but I'M d still put my foot in it![]() I think celebs should stay off social media except for professional reasons. |
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As he has been sacked with immediate affect, I wonder if that means they won't show any scenes he is in which have been filmed so far? He is at the centre of a storyline right now and I wonder just what they are going to show tonight, as in my TV schedules he is in both episodes.
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As he has been sacked with immediate affect, I wonder if that means they won't show any scenes he is in which have been filmed so far? He is at the centre of a storyline right now and I wonder just what they are going to show tonight, as in my TV schedules he is in both episodes.
"Digital Spy understands that the storyline features so heavily that it won't be possible for producers to edit Sharif out of immediate Corrie episodes at this late stage. However, a show insider told us that producers will look at re-editing episodes further on down the line to minimise his presence where possible - before Sharif makes an off-screen exit." |
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As he has been sacked with immediate affect, I wonder if that means they won't show any scenes he is in which have been filmed so far? He is at the centre of a storyline right now and I wonder just what they are going to show tonight, as in my TV schedules he is in both episodes.
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They are still showing his scenes. They are going to try and minimise them where they can and then write him out as soon as they can. They would havr had to scrap most of this week otherwise
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From DS yesterday :
"Digital Spy understands that the storyline features so heavily that it won't be possible for producers to edit Sharif out of immediate Corrie episodes at this late stage. However, a show insider told us that producers will look at re-editing episodes further on down the line to minimise his presence where possible - before Sharif makes an off-screen exit." ![]() Actually, I say this only half in jest, it's been done before. |
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It seems any mistake people make now their career/lives are over. Brutal.
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I think Corrie had no choice but to sack him. Regardless of how they feel, knowing the guy personally, he does represent them when he goes on Twitter, interviews, in public etc. You have to be circumspect in your views and behaviour in public when you're re publically associated with an organisation. If you express views contrary to their belief system, you risk showing them in a bad light and when it comes down to anything political that's s a chance you take. So, it's s not an over reaction on their part. Had he worked for a supermarket or something they might just discipline him, but this guts probably got millions of followers, so any horrible opinion he expresses reflects badly on them on a massive scale and has to be taken seriously.
Saying that, I saw a YouTube video of Jeff Hordley getting approached by fans. He was very courteous but I couldn't t help thinking how awful it must be to always have to be in your best behaviour
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, although I can be a tad over sensitive to it
. to me it arose out of feelings of disenfranchisement and injustice, so it's s easy to see why incidents like this happen on Twitter - and the traumatic history involved here is much more recent. 